Are taxes too low, or is spending too high?

[native]

So now we have a "12-step" program for our spending addiction.

How appropriate!

Believe it, brother, believe it!

[kalm]

So crony capitalism began in 2009 and Wall Street was dragged kicking and screaming by F&F and their minority party henchman into the derivatives market?

Not what I said, was it straw man???

The phrase "crony capitalism" is not strong enough to capture the cynical corruption and transparent political payola characterizing the Obama administration.

..and the rent is too damn high because of the Democrat/Republican/Political Elite/Corporatist "Quantitative Easing"

Crony capitalism is bi- partisan. You were almost getting there with the above quote which is why I had to kick you in the nuts for the next one.

Oh, and if you're at all into fiscal responsibility and concerned about the debt, then taxes are too low and we spend too much.

[native]

Not what I said, was it straw man???

The phrase "crony capitalism" is not strong enough to capture the cynical corruption and transparent political payola characterizing the Obama administration.

..and the rent is too damn high because of the Democrat/Republican/Political Elite/Corporatist "Quantitative Easing"

Crony capitalism is bi- partisan. You were almost getting there with the above quote which is why I had to kick you in the nuts for the next one.

Oh, and if you're at all into fiscal responsibility and concerned about the debt, then taxes are too low and we spend too much.

Dead wrong as usual.

The typical differences between Democrat and Republican "crony capitalism" projects include a greater chance of a Republican projects having success in actually meeting a valid functional requirement and delivering useful results despite occasional flaws and failures (e.g., Halliburton), and the propensity for Democrats to prioritize on purely political payola projects which make nice headlines at the time, regardless of the lack of useful functional capabilities and proven results from the Democrat-sponsored projects (e.g., Solyndra and arguably the GM and Chrysley bailouts).

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Perhaps you and Warren Buffet should personally contribute more to the US Treasury, but otherwise, taxes are way too high.

[AZGrizFan]

Listening to Obama drone on about the evils of the upper middle class this morning made me throw up a little bit in my mouth.

[native]

Here's one you might enjoy, kalm, from an article on Real Clear Politics, entitled "The Next Wave:"

"...Wall Street fat-cats influenced public policy and generally were believed to have bought U.S. senators; crony capitalism was rampant, and it was bipartisan...."

Author Salina Zito is describing the Panic of 1893, and suggests that our current political situation is much more consistent with that era than with the Great Depression.

Your thoughts?

[Ibanez]

Listening to Obama drone on about the evils of the upper middle class this morning made me throw up a little bit in D1b's mouth.

FIFY

[Ivytalk]

Here's one you might enjoy, kalm, from an article on Real Clear Politics, entitled "The Next Wave:"

"...Wall Street fat-cats influenced public policy and generally were believed to have bought U.S. senators; crony capitalism was rampant, and it was bipartisan...."

Author Salina Zito is describing the Panic of 1893, and suggests that our current political situation is much more consistent with that era than with the Great Depression.

Your thoughts?

Obama makes Grover Cleveland look like a financial wizard.

[kalm]

Here's one you might enjoy, kalm, from an article on Real Clear Politics, entitled "The Next Wave:"

"...Wall Street fat-cats influenced public policy and generally were believed to have bought U.S. senators; crony capitalism was rampant, and it was bipartisan...."

Author Salina Zito is describing the Panic of 1893, and suggests that our current political situation is much more consistent with that era than with the Great Depression.

Your thoughts?

Obama makes Grover Cleveland look like a financial wizard.

Um, if I were of the conk ilk, I might avoid drawing parallels to the gilded age.

[native]

Obama makes Grover Cleveland look like a financial wizard.

Um, if I were of the conk ilk, I might avoid drawing parallels to the gilded age.

You see some trees but miss the forest. The lesson to be drawn from the nascent Progressive reaction to the Gilded Age is that this is an unstable period with an angry electorate, not that more progressivism is the cure for the failures of progressivism.

This unpredictable "wave" cycle is dangerous for all parties. If some Republicans get knocked off of their high horse, that could be a great thing. If massive number of Democrats are wiped out and replaced by Libertarians and Republicans, that would be a really great thing!

[kalm]

Um, if I were of the conk ilk, I might avoid drawing parallels to the gilded age.

You see some trees but miss the forest. The lesson to be drawn from the nascent Progressive reaction to the Gilded Age is that this is an unstable period with an angry electorate, not that more progressivism is the cure for the failures of progressivism.

This unpredictable "wave" cycle is dangerous for all parties. If some Republicans get knocked off of their high horse, that could be a great thing. If massive number of Democrats are wiped out and replaced by Libertarians and Republicans, that would be a really great thing!

So you're anti progression? Teddy Roosevelt believed in a better America for any citizen willing to work hard and improve themselves and not just for a chosen few plutocrats. Guys like you are why one of our greatest presidents left the Republican Party.

It's good to have you back Nate!

[Ivytalk]

You see some trees but miss the forest. The lesson to be drawn from the nascent Progressive reaction to the Gilded Age is that this is an unstable period with an angry electorate, not that more progressivism is the cure for the failures of progressivism.

This unpredictable "wave" cycle is dangerous for all parties. If some Republicans get knocked off of their high horse, that could be a great thing. If massive number of Democrats are wiped out and replaced by Libertarians and Republicans, that would be a really great thing!

So you're anti progression? Teddy Roosevelt believed in a better America for any citizen willing to work hard and improve themselves and not just for a chosen few plutocrats. Guys like you are why one of our greatest presidents left the Republican Party.

It's good to have you back Nate!

Teddy Roosevelt made a laughingstock of himself with that Bull Moose bit -- which gave us another one of your "progressive" heroes, Woodrow Wilson --and died a broken man at 60. So what's your point?

[native]

...So you're anti progression? ...

I support some "progressive" policies and oppose others.

...Teddy Roosevelt believed in a better America for any citizen willing to work hard and improve themselves and not just for a chosen few plutocrats. ...

Me too. The policies you support do not achieve these noble objectives, and in most instances, are counterproductive.

... Guys like you are why one of our greatest presidents left the Republican Party. ...

I doubt it, k, but you wouldn't know.

... It's good to have you back Nate!

Thank you, k!