Right Wingers Murder Two Illegals

[houndawg]

Well, I don't know if they were "right wingers" or not. But if it were up to me we would deploy our military along the border and make it known that those who attempt to enter the Untited States from Mexico illegally would be met with deadly force. To me it's a national security issue and it shouldn't be allowed. Period.

Of course if it were up to me we also would not allow children of illegal aliens in schools nor would we allow any illegal aliens to benefit from any programs here. We would make it as miserable and dangerous as we possibly could for anyone attempting to come to the United States without going through the established processes.

[grizzaholic]

Well, I don't know if they were "right wingers" or not. But if it were up to me we would deploy our military along the border and make it known that those who attempt to enter the Untited States from Mexico illegally would be met with deadly force. To me it's a national security issue and it shouldn't be allowed. Period.

Of course if it were up to me we also would not allow children of illegal aliens in schools nor would we allow any illegal aliens to benefit from any programs here. We would make it as miserable and dangerous as we possibly could for anyone attempting to come to the United States without going through the established processes.

So, North Korea?

[CID1990]

It seems you have overlooked a couple of key word and phrases here. The first is "work permit". That means documentation. It does not mean tolerating undocumented and illegal aliens. The second is "taxes". It does not mean sending all of their money back to Mexico or some other **** hole.

How am I overlooking "work permits" or "taxes"... ?

I support both of those. I support expanding work visas for migrant workers that allows them to be here and work in this country legally and a way to collect taxes.

I wish Republicans still did.

Ronald Reagan, Farewell Address, January 11, 1989

I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.

"Work visas", as you call them, are still nonimmigrant visas, and applicants still have to overcome the legal presumption that they are intending immigrants in order to be issued those visas.

Countries like Australia, Taiwan and other developed countries have less stringent nonimmigrant visa issuance policies because they also have more stringent immigration policies. For instance, in Australia, you actually have to speak English, and it is very hard to adjust status in country (for those who like to get a fake marriage). Plus, they dont have issues with anchor babies.

In our case, the visa window is the front line, because refusing a visa is infinitely easier than evicting someone who is already in the country, even illegally.

I also support the expansion of the nonskilled labor visa classes, but our immigration laws need to be tweaked to make sure those folks do not adjust status or drop anchor babies. Simply expanding this visa program or that visa program will only exacerbate the problem.

Ronald Reagan was referring to legal immigration, not people streaming across the border unscreened and unvetted.

[Baldy]

Reagan was referring to those who came here legally.

Herp Derp.

I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally

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Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, supported and signed by Reagan, granted amnesty to ~3 million immigrants that entered the country illegally.
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That was because Reagan made a deal with Congress. Amnesty for the illegals who were here in return for Congress passing much stricter legislation making it harder for illegals to cross the border and harder for them to find a job once they get here. It's not surprising that the Donk controlled Congress lied and didn't hold up their end of the bargain.

Reagan even called the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 the biggest mistake of his presidency.

[houndawg]

Herp Derp.


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That was because Reagan made a deal with Congress. Amnesty for the illegals who were here in return for Congress passing much stricter legislation making it harder for illegals to cross the border and harder for them to find a job once they get here. It's not surprising that the Donk controlled Congress lied and didn't hold up their end of the bargain.

Reagan even called the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 the biggest mistake of his presidency.

That's what happens when you let your wife's astrologer set policy.

[Skjellyfetti]

the Donk controlled Congress lied and didn't hold up their end of the bargain.

It wasn't Donk controlled. It was split. Republicans controlled the Senate. Democrats controlled the House.

(unless you consider the current Congress to be "Donk controlled"? )

[kalm]

the Donk controlled Congress lied and didn't hold up their end of the bargain.

It wasn't Donk controlled. It was split. Republicans controlled the Senate. Democrats controlled the House.

(unless you consider the current Congress to be "Donk controlled"? )

Maybe so, but I will remind you that Reagan also single handedly defeated the Soviets, freed the hostages, raised taxes on the middle class and working poor, deregulated the environment, and deregulated finance so he gets a pass here.

[Baldy]

the Donk controlled Congress lied and didn't hold up their end of the bargain.

It wasn't Donk controlled. It was split. Republicans controlled the Senate. Democrats controlled the House.

(unless you consider the current Congress to be "Donk controlled"? )

Where in the fuck do you come up with this shit?
The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 was enacted 2 days after the 1986 midterm elections. In those elections, the Donks took control of both houses of Congress.

[kalm]

It wasn't Donk controlled. It was split. Republicans controlled the Senate. Democrats controlled the House.

(unless you consider the current Congress to be "Donk controlled"? )

Where in the fuck do you come up with this shit?
The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 was enacted 2 days after the 1986 midterm elections. In those elections, the Donks took control of both houses of Congress.

They assumed power 2 days after the election?

[SDHornet]

No point in reading this entire thread but if illegals weren’t hired, they wouldn’t be coming here. Nothing new here.

[grizzaholic]

No point in reading this entire thread but if illegals weren’t hired, they wouldn’t be coming here. Nothing new here.

hummmm.....

[kalm]

No point in reading this entire thread but if illegals weren’t hired, they wouldn’t be coming here. Nothing new here.

Truth.

[Skjellyfetti]

Where in the fuck do you come up with this shit?
The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 was enacted 2 days after the 1986 midterm elections. In those elections, the Donks took control of both houses of Congress.

Holy fuck.

[JohnStOnge]

So, North Korea?

No, because it would only be making it miserable and dangerous for people who come into our country illegally. Anybody who wants to come in legally and goes through whatever process is necessary given their reason for being here would still be welcome. We'd still accept many millions of visitors from other countries per year who come here for various reasons. Foreign press would still be welcome. And we'd still take plenty of legal immigrants.

Plus, it'd still be the case that anybody who's not in the criminal system who wants to leave here can leave; whether it's for the purpose of traveling or the purpose of going to live somewhere else.

Not like North Korea at all.

It's just a matter of tipping the scales so that the odds are that someone coming here illegally will be worse off by virtue of having come here instead of better off so that the incentive to do it is reduced. It makes perfect sense. But, like many other things that make perfect sense, we won't do it.

[Baldy]

Where in the fuck do you come up with this shit?
The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 was enacted 2 days after the 1986 midterm elections. In those elections, the Donks took control of both houses of Congress.

Holy fuck.

Skfelcher gets caught being stupid.....AGAIN, and this is all you can come up with?

[Baldy]

Where in the fuck do you come up with this shit?
The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 was enacted 2 days after the 1986 midterm elections. In those elections, the Donks took control of both houses of Congress.

They assumed power 2 days after the election?

Might as well, they didn't go back into session until January 6th of the next year.

[Skjellyfetti]

They assumed power 2 days after the election?

Might as well, they didn't go back into session until January 6th of the next year.

Both houses of Congress passed the bill BEFORE the election you fucking dipshit. A Republican controlled Senate passed the bill 63-24.



Do you need to review elementary civics?
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[Baldy]

Might as well, they didn't go back into session until January 6th of the next year.

Both houses of Congress passed the bill BEFORE the election you fucking dipshit. A Republican controlled Senate passed the bill 63-24.

You really are the most ignorant fucking cocksucker on this forum.
Boy, I'm surprised.

As I said in my original post, you stupid fucking retarded hillybilly...Reagan only agreed to this act because the Donks agreed to enact tougher border security measures. It had nothing to do with who voted for or when they voted on the immigration reform legislation.

The fact of the matter is the Donks didn't hold up their end of the bargain and refused to enact tougher border protections.

[kalm]

Both houses of Congress passed the bill BEFORE the election you fucking dipshit. A Republican controlled Senate passed the bill 63-24.

You really are the most ignorant fucking cocksucker on this forum.
Boy, I'm surprised.

As I said in my original post, you stupid fucking retarded hillybilly...Reagan only agreed to this act because the Donks agreed to enact tougher border security measures. It had nothing to do with who voted for or when they voted on the immigration reform legislation.

The fact of the matter is the Donks didn't hold up their end of the bargain and refused to enact tougher border protections.

So was it a lame duck split congress who voted for it or did the Dems control both houses at the time of the vote as you suggested?

[citdog]

Reagan was referring to those who came here legally.

Herp Derp.

I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally

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Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, supported and signed by Reagan, granted amnesty to ~3 million immigrants that entered the country illegally.
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why is it that you want to give any spic who can walk what is yours by birth? your rights as a citizen of the 'late united states'?

[93henfan]

Well, I don't know if they were "right wingers" or not. But if it were up to me we would deploy our military along the border and make it known that those who attempt to enter the Untited States from Mexico illegally would be met with deadly force. To me it's a national security issue and it shouldn't be allowed. Period.

Of course if it were up to me we also would not allow children of illegal aliens in schools nor would we allow any illegal aliens to benefit from any programs here. We would make it as miserable and dangerous as we possibly could for anyone attempting to come to the United States without going through the established processes.

[Baldy]

So was it a lame duck split congress who voted for it or did the Dems control both houses at the time of the vote as you suggested?

Jeezus Christ.

As I suggested?

I didn't suggest anything. What I CLEARLY stated was that the Donk controlled Congress didn't hold up it's end of the bargain, period.

Let me spell this out for you. The 99th Congress passed the legislation on October 17th, the 99th Congress adjourned for the year the very next day (October 18th, it was an election year), and Reagan signed the immigration reform bill into law on November 6th. On November 4th (election day) the Donks took control of both houses. Congress didn't adjourn again until January 6th with the new Donk controlled 100th Congress.

The Donk controlled Congress didn't hold up it's end of the bargain made less than 3 months prior and didn't even consider, much less pass, agreed to stricter border controls.

Understand?

[kalm]

So was it a lame duck split congress who voted for it or did the Dems control both houses at the time of the vote as you suggested?

Jeezus Christ.

As I suggested?

I didn't suggest anything. What I CLEARLY stated was that the Donk controlled Congress didn't hold up it's end of the bargain, period.

Let me spell this out for you. The 99th Congress passed the legislation on October 17th, the 99th Congress adjourned for the year the very next day (October 18th, it was an election year), and Reagan signed the immigration reform bill into law on November 6th. On November 4th (election day) the Donks took control of both houses. Congress didn't adjourn again until January 6th with the new Donk controlled 100th Congress.

The Donk controlled Congress didn't hold up it's end of the bargain made less than 3 months prior and didn't even consider, much less pass, agreed to stricter border controls.

Understand?

Why didn't you say that in the first place?

[Baldy]

Why didn't you say that in the first place?

Didn't think I would need to explain in detail. It's not rocket science.

That should teach you a lesson about jumping into a debate and taking jellybelly's side. He always seems to pick battles he never has a chance of winning.

[kalm]

Why didn't you say that in the first place?

Didn't think I would need to explain in detail. It's not rocket science.

That should teach you a lesson about jumping into a debate and taking jellybelly's side. He always seems to pick battles he never has a chance of winning.

Just searching for clarification. And sorry for picking at nits, but the congress that didn't hold up it's end of the bargain was a different congress than the one that passed the bill right?

BTW, I thought Reagan was pro-amnesty because of his allegiance to Central Valley AG that were big supporters of the Gipper. If you think about it, it kind of makes sense from a conk standpoint since government has no business regulating the labor market by not allowing the cheapest labor into it.