Wisconsin recall election

[Bronco]

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I sure hope we see more of this behavior this summer...

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[CID1990]

Lets not forget, that Democrats will contest the recount.

"Look at the ballot and try to guess if the voter really meant to vote for Me or the other guy" ~ Al Gore, 2000 (loosely)

And Waukesha County will "find" uncounted boxes of ballots, like they did in the last election (80% Republican ballots)

Not surprising, since those are usually military absentee ballots that were accidentally on purpose put into those closets in the first place.

Anyone who truly believes that voter fraud consisting of fake ballots is a Republican tactic only does so because they want to.

If high voter turnout only benefits Democrats, then Republicans are not stuffing the boxes. Dead men only vite Democrat.


Also Sodomy

[CID1990]

More money than the nation wide unions?

In this election - yup. About 10 times as much

Boo Hoo Nancy.

You had no problems with the sacks of cash controlled by Obama in 2008. You act as if only one side plays with sh!tty money.


Also Sodomy

[dbackjon]

In this election - yup. About 10 times as much

Boo Hoo Nancy.

You had no problems with the sacks of cash controlled by Obama in 2008. You act as if only one side plays with sh!tty money.


Also Sodomy

Not at all - money was brought up to counter your fellow Bellhop's assertation that all this union money was flowing into Wisconsin, when the truth is completely different.

[Baldy]

More money than the nation wide unions?

In this election - yup. About 10 times as much

Context is everything, jon. Barrett has been the Donk nominee for 3 months at most while Walker has known this fight was coming for a year or more. Barrett's opponent in the primary was the unions choice and she bankrolled over $5 million in the primary. Do some research on how much money went to the Donk general fund and get back to me.

[D1B]

Eh, no different than the lies, cheating and downright unscrupolous behaviour of the Walker side, just Walker has more money.

More money than the nation wide unions?

[D1B]

In this election - yup. About 10 times as much

Context is everything, jon. Barrett has been the Donk nominee for 3 months at most while Walker has known this fight was coming for a year or more. Barrett's opponent in the primary was the unions choice and she bankrolled over $5 million in the primary. Do some research on how much money went to the Donk general fund and get back to me.

You do the research.

[Baldy]

Context is everything, jon. Barrett has been the Donk nominee for 3 months at most while Walker has known this fight was coming for a year or more. Barrett's opponent in the primary was the unions choice and she bankrolled over $5 million in the primary. Do some research on how much money went to the Donk general fund and get back to me.

You do the research.

I have.

[D1B]

You do the research.

I have.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllll, I'm Waaaaaaaaayaaaaatinnnnnnnng!

[BlueHen86]

I have.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllll, I'm Waaaaaaaaayaaaaatinnnnnnnng!

[UNI88]

Question for the "Progressives" ...
What should Walker have done?
Wisconsin was in dire fiscal straights; Walker could:
1) Do what he did and reduce pension & health obligations
2) Lay people off and cut back on social services
3) Raise taxes in order to keep everything going

Which would you choose? You might argue with Walker's methods but he had to make a choice and he made one.

From Sunday's Chicago Tribune
How much should you pay?
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012 ... consin-gov

But the big picture isn't lost on many Wisconsinites: By cutting spending, limiting property tax hikes and freeing local governments from some personnel costs, officials could trim spending without trashing services. In fact, the savings have let governments avoid cuts they otherwise would have had to impose.

The Journal Sentinel analysis explored the impact of Walker-driven changes in the Milwaukee suburb of Brown Deer: The local school district is saving $1 million in pension contributions, health plan adjustments such as increased co-pays, and changes in the workday. "We had many teachers tell us, let's save everybody's job," said Brown Deer Superintendent Deb Kerr. "We didn't cut programs. We didn't raise class sizes. And we maintained our level of staffing."

If you choose option 3, you lay the burden on everyone, most of whom work in the private sector and have already been asked to pick up a larger portion of their health & pension costs as well as having them scaled back and many of whom have suffered through job losses. You also lilkely end up like Illinois which raised income taxes by 67% and it's still not enough to fix just the unfunded pension liability issues.

If you choose option 2, you lose union jobs and cut back on social services.

Option 1 might not be a great option but it appears to be the lesser of the 3. And eventually Illinois is going to have to do this after already trying option 3. Do it early and you save yourself longer term pain.

You can disagree with his methods but Walker had a tough job to do and he did it.

[Bronco]

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"This is why Wisconsin's so important" -- Walker wins, Obama in turn loses, and it's the end of the world as we know it.

Ed Schultz





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[DSUrocks07]

Question for the "Progressives" ...
What should Walker have done?
Wisconsin was in dire fiscal straights; Walker could:
1) Do what he did and reduce pension & health obligations
2) Lay people off and cut back on social services
3) Raise taxes in order to keep everything going

Which would you choose? You might argue with Walker's methods but he had to make a choice and he made one.

From Sunday's Chicago Tribune
How much should you pay?
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012 ... consin-gov

But the big picture isn't lost on many Wisconsinites: By cutting spending, limiting property tax hikes and freeing local governments from some personnel costs, officials could trim spending without trashing services. In fact, the savings have let governments avoid cuts they otherwise would have had to impose.

The Journal Sentinel analysis explored the impact of Walker-driven changes in the Milwaukee suburb of Brown Deer: The local school district is saving $1 million in pension contributions, health plan adjustments such as increased co-pays, and changes in the workday. "We had many teachers tell us, let's save everybody's job," said Brown Deer Superintendent Deb Kerr. "We didn't cut programs. We didn't raise class sizes. And we maintained our level of staffing."

If you choose option 3, you lay the burden on everyone, most of whom work in the private sector and have already been asked to pick up a larger portion of their health & pension costs as well as having them scaled back and many of whom have suffered through job losses. You also lilkely end up like Illinois which raised income taxes by 67% and it's still not enough to fix just the unfunded pension liability issues.

If you choose option 2, you lose union jobs and cut back on social services.

Option 1 might not be a great option but it appears to be the lesser of the 3. And eventually Illinois is going to have to do this after already trying option 3. Do it early and you save yourself longer term pain.

You can disagree with his methods but Walker had a tough job to do and he did it.

Pretty much. Can't argue with results. Wisconsin is running a surplus right now.

[CitadelGrad]

36% of union households and 17% of Obama supporters voted for Walker. That's the real difference -- not the $$$.

[Ivytalk]

Good job, cheeseheads!

Now let's "recall" Obummer in November.

[Gil Dobie]

Good job, cheeseheads!

Now let's "recall" Obummer in November.

What I'm reading on CNN this morning, this will have no affect on Obummer

------Wisconsin Exit Polls show Obama support
------Wisconsin Can't predict White House

[kalm]

Question for the "Progressives" ...
What should Walker have done?
Wisconsin was in dire fiscal straights; Walker could:
1) Do what he did and reduce pension & health obligations
2) Lay people off and cut back on social services
3) Raise taxes in order to keep everything going

Which would you choose? You might argue with Walker's methods but he had to make a choice and he made one.

From Sunday's Chicago Tribune
How much should you pay?
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012 ... consin-gov

But the big picture isn't lost on many Wisconsinites: By cutting spending, limiting property tax hikes and freeing local governments from some personnel costs, officials could trim spending without trashing services. In fact, the savings have let governments avoid cuts they otherwise would have had to impose.

The Journal Sentinel analysis explored the impact of Walker-driven changes in the Milwaukee suburb of Brown Deer: The local school district is saving $1 million in pension contributions, health plan adjustments such as increased co-pays, and changes in the workday. "We had many teachers tell us, let's save everybody's job," said Brown Deer Superintendent Deb Kerr. "We didn't cut programs. We didn't raise class sizes. And we maintained our level of staffing."

If you choose option 3, you lay the burden on everyone, most of whom work in the private sector and have already been asked to pick up a larger portion of their health & pension costs as well as having them scaled back and many of whom have suffered through job losses. You also lilkely end up like Illinois which raised income taxes by 67% and it's still not enough to fix just the unfunded pension liability issues.

If you choose option 2, you lose union jobs and cut back on social services.

Option 1 might not be a great option but it appears to be the lesser of the 3. And eventually Illinois is going to have to do this after already trying option 3. Do it early and you save yourself longer term pain.

You can disagree with his methods but Walker had a tough job to do and he did it.

Damn you 88, those are some great points and we'll have to see what happens. Still, there are unintended long-term consequences to spending cuts and wage/benefit deflation. Things like county and state parks get underfunded and fall into decline pushing kids to chose unhealthy activities. Decreased union compensation decreases private sector compensation, consumer spending goes down hurting small businesses, etc.

[Ivytalk]

Good job, cheeseheads!

Now let's "recall" Obummer in November.

What I'm reading on CNN this morning, this will have no affect on Obummer

------Wisconsin Exit Polls show Obama support
------Wisconsin Can't predict White House

Saw that. But Obummer can't be pleased by this result.

[kalm]

What I'm reading on CNN this morning, this will have no affect on Obummer

------Wisconsin Exit Polls show Obama support
------Wisconsin Can't predict White House

Saw that. But Obummer can't be pleased by this result.

I'm guessing he strategically stayed away from this race.

[Bronco]

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Pissed Off Liberal Slaps Barrett In The Face After Being Trounced In Recall Election – Update: Woman Upset He Conceded…

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. . .12 News’ Terry Sater just spoke to the mayor about the ‘slap.’ Barrett said the woman asked if she could slap him for conceding. He said he’d rather she hug him. So he leaned down.. and got the slap.

Slater reported to his news desk:

“A woman who had been very angry that the mayor had conceded prior to the polls…all the votes being counted, rather, she was upset with the mayor…she came up and she slapped him and said, ‘How dare you concede, while there are people still trying to vote inside the Ziegler building.’”

[UNI88]

Damn you 88, those are some great points and we'll have to see what happens. Still, there are unintended long-term consequences to spending cuts and wage/benefit deflation. Things like county and state parks get underfunded and fall into decline pushing kids to chose unhealthy activities. Decreased union compensation decreases private sector compensation, consumer spending goes down hurting small businesses, etc.

Those are possibilities not absolutes and they were possibilities even without Act 10. And you could make a viable argument that the reverse is true in some instances. As a result of Act 10, the state will have more funds and more employees to maintain parks. The cost cutting necessary to maintain pensions and health benefits would have required layoffs and limited funding for equipment maintenance and purchasing.

Private sector compensation is already being driven down by economic realities - freezing pay and increasing healthcare contributions = lower compensation. I'd still rather have my job than be unemployed. I do think that compensation is out of whack when your average employee is treading water and CEO's are making multiple millions with nice increases but I've beaten that horse in other threads.

IMO, public compensation in Wisconsin is upside down anyway. When I graduated from college public sector jobs paid less but they were appealing because of their benefits and security. Public sector jobs in Wisconsin pay better than private sector jobs and provide better benefits at the taxpayers expense.

From today's Chicago Tribune - Wisconsin speaks. Again.
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The American Enterprise Institute calculates that even after Act 10, the source of so many accusations of oppression, the average state worker receives wages and benefits of $81,637, versus $67,068 for a similarly skilled private sector worker. X minus Y equals (gulp) $14,569.

[89Hen]

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Pissed Off Liberal Slaps Barrett In The Face After Being Trounced In Recall Election – Update: Woman Upset He Conceded…

[89Hen]

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I sure hope we see more of this behavior this summer...

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I thought Wedge lived in Montana.

[dbackjon]

I wouldn't take too much from this.

Walker outspent Barrett 10-1

There is recall fatigue in WI - a large number of even Democrats oppose using recalls for political (rather than malfeasance), and either didn't vote, or voted not to recall Walker.



Democrats regained control of the Wisconsin Senate last night

[tampa_griz]

I wouldn't take too much from this.

Walker outspent Barrett 10-1

There is recall fatigue in WI - a large number of even Democrats oppose using recalls for political (rather than malfeasance), and either didn't vote, or voted not to recall Walker.

Democrats regained control of the Wisconsin Senate last night

The Wisconsin Senate will be out of session until after the next election when Republicans are expected to pick up two seats. It's kind of funny that way. If it plays out the way it is supposed to, Democrats will control the Senate while it's closed.

Also, don't forget that Big Labor's $23 million spending wasn't counted in the total spent. In the end I think Republicans were outspent.

I LOVE THIS GUY:

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But you're right that Democrats never thought this election was important.

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