Bush ends term on a GREAT NOTE!!!

[grizzaholic]

But hunting them to near extinction levels (as we have done in the past) is unacceptable.

OH you don't have to worry. There is no way they will ever be able to get rid of the wolf ever again. The government is going to have its hands full with this problem. It will be just another money pit for tax dollars.

[Appaholic]

But hunting them to near extinction levels (as we have done in the past) is unacceptable.

OH you don't have to worry. There is no way they will ever be able to get rid of the wolf ever again. The government is going to have its hands full with this problem. It will be just another money pit for tax dollars.

How you figure? If left to the locals, they would be hunted out in a year....treat 'em like any other harvested animal...and if the locals are running out of space, start with the California transplants, not the natives....both human and animal natives...

[grizzaholic]

OH you don't have to worry. There is no way they will ever be able to get rid of the wolf ever again. The government is going to have its hands full with this problem. It will be just another money pit for tax dollars.

How you figure? If left to the locals, they would be hunted out in a year....treat 'em like any other harvested animal...and if the locals are running out of space, start with the California transplants, not the natives....both human and animal natives...

You don't get it. There is no way now to ever ever get rid of them. You can hunt coyotes year round and there are lots of them around. The wolves are reproducing faster than anybody thought that they would. The wolves that some of the ranchers have seen don't seem to be scared of people. That is not a good thing. When, and it will happen, the first one of these wolves kill a human that is all it will take for more people to realize what a fuck-up they made when they voted for this. And the person it eats I sure hope is either someone important or the kid of someone important.

[AZGrizFan]

That is the funny thing - ranchers have NEVER been a free market business. Ranching, while proclaiming freedom, etc, needs governmental subsidies to survive - always has.

I know....the first people to yell about freedoms....and the first in line for government subsidized grazing rights... ....and let's not forget the government subsidized water that is needed for the fokking cows...

You people have no idea. You lump ranchers together like you fokin' lump liberals or conservatives together.

[travelinman67]

They were not just introduced into the park....allover MT and IDAHO. They are everywhere. I will try and find the numbers, but something like an estimated 1600 in Idaho and 1100 in MT already.

Hell, there's more Californians than that moving into the area....hunt them...it's more fun and much more needed...they'll really fok up the environment and property values.....

Huh...Appa bitching about CA liberals fokking up America? Who'd a thunk...

Different class though...

...the CA's moving into Idaho/MT/WY/UT or other spots in the Midwest and South are the ones sick of the pukey liberal whackos like yourself. In my experience, and I know a ton of 'em...most are well received so long as they don't attempt to "infect" the area with any CA thoughtless-lib-poison. When I traveled, I practiced one rule with folks/clients I met...within the first 10 minutes of meeting them, I always advised them:
1) I do not live in SF or LA, I lived and was raised around Ag country,
2) I hate SF and LA and plan on leaving CA as soon as possible.
3) The image of CA portrayed in the media isn't even close. It is a leftist social engineering failure that the MSM won't discuss.
4) They are fortunate they don't live in CA, nor should they ever waste their time visiting, but if they do, skip LA and SF and go see Yosemite.

The CA's that are moving to the NE, or SE in Raleigh/Durham corridor, are the no'er do well lib elitists who never succeeded in business, never produced anything helpful to society, and will end up becoming lifetime chapter board members of their local Sierra Club, living off their trusts and inheritance.

...do me just this one favor today, Appa...rather than taking the "bait" torch from D1B today, why not try adding something constructive to the discussion?

[dbackjon]

How you figure? If left to the locals, they would be hunted out in a year....treat 'em like any other harvested animal...and if the locals are running out of space, start with the California transplants, not the natives....both human and animal natives...

You don't get it. There is no way now to ever ever get rid of them. You can hunt coyotes year round and there are lots of them around. The wolves are reproducing faster than anybody thought that they would. The wolves that some of the ranchers have seen don't seem to be scared of people. That is not a good thing. When, and it will happen, the first one of these wolves kill a human that is all it will take for more people to realize what a [*]f**k-up they made when they voted for this. And the person it eats I sure hope is either someone important or the kid of someone important.

wolves without fear of humans is not a good thing. Like I said, if there was limited 'goal-oriented' removal/hunting (as long as the only goal is to install a fear of humans in the wolves), then I am ok with that.

[AZGrizFan]

...the CA's moving into Idaho/MT/WY/UT or other spots in the Midwest and South are the ones sick of the pukey liberal whackos like yourself. In my experience, and I know a ton of 'em...most are well received so long as they don't attempt to "infect" the area with any CA thoughtless-lib-poison. When I traveled, I practiced one rule with folks/clients I met...within the first 10 minutes of meeting them, I always advised them:
1) I do not live in SF or LA, I lived and was raised around Ag country,
2) I hate SF and LA and plan on leaving CA as soon as possible.
3) The image of CA portrayed in the media isn't even close. It is a leftist social engineering failure that the MSM won't discuss.
4) They are fortunate they don't live in CA, nor should they ever waste their time visiting, but if they do, skip LA and SF and go see Yosemite.

The CA's that are moving to the NE, or SE in Raleigh/Durham corridor, are the no'er do well lib elitists who never succeeded in business, never produced anything helpful to society, and will end up becoming lifetime chapter board members of their local Sierra Club, living off their trusts and inheritance.

generalize much, T-Man?

[grizzaholic]

You don't get it. There is no way now to ever ever get rid of them. You can hunt coyotes year round and there are lots of them around. The wolves are reproducing faster than anybody thought that they would. The wolves that some of the ranchers have seen don't seem to be scared of people. That is not a good thing. When, and it will happen, the first one of these wolves kill a human that is all it will take for more people to realize what a [*]f**k-up they made when they voted for this. And the person it eats I sure hope is either someone important or the kid of someone important.

wolves without fear of humans is not a good thing. Like I said, if there was limited 'goal-oriented' removal/hunting (as long as the only goal is to install a fear of humans in the wolves), then I am ok with that.

I will be putting in for as many tags as possible.

[grizzaholic]

Oh side note. This is exactly why I try and stay out of the poli lounge. Everybody has an opinion and nobody can agree with each other......Except me and AZ.


AZ you are my bestest buddy. Come hunting anytime.

[AZGrizFan]

I believe I read somewhere once that the wolf is the only predator that kills for sport.

Well......except man.

[grizzaholic]

I believe I read somewhere once that the wolf is the onlyl predator that kills for sport.

You are correct.

[travelinman67]

I know....the first people to yell about freedoms....and the first in line for government subsidized grazing rights... ....and let's not forget the government subsidized water that is needed for the fokking cows...

You people have no idea. You lump ranchers together like you fokin' lump liberals or conservatives together.

"Ya...like, Ima sposed to no what tipe of ranches they farm? They is all the same...sep't somes grow their cows with brown colors and some grows the speshul cows with spots. Duhh!"

[AZGrizFan]

Oh side note. This is exactly why I try and stay out of the poli lounge. Everybody has an opinion and nobody can agree with each other......Except me and AZ.


AZ you are my bestest buddy. Come hunting anytime.

Tell you what, Grizza. You just let me know when you want to go hunting again (for an extended period), and I'll come help clean out Mrs. Grizza's garage.

[AZGrizFan]

I believe I read somewhere once that the wolf is the onlyl predator that kills for sport.

You are correct.

I liked "you are true" better.

[travelinman67]

...the CA's moving into Idaho/MT/WY/UT or other spots in the Midwest and South are the ones sick of the pukey liberal whackos like yourself. In my experience, and I know a ton of 'em...most are well received so long as they don't attempt to "infect" the area with any CA thoughtless-lib-poison. When I traveled, I practiced one rule with folks/clients I met...within the first 10 minutes of meeting them, I always advised them:
1) I do not live in SF or LA, I lived and was raised around Ag country,
2) I hate SF and LA and plan on leaving CA as soon as possible.
3) The image of CA portrayed in the media isn't even close. It is a leftist social engineering failure that the MSM won't discuss.
4) They are fortunate they don't live in CA, nor should they ever waste their time visiting, but if they do, skip LA and SF and go see Yosemite.

The CA's that are moving to the NE, or SE in Raleigh/Durham corridor, are the no'er do well lib elitists who never succeeded in business, never produced anything helpful to society, and will end up becoming lifetime chapter board members of their local Sierra Club, living off their trusts and inheritance.

generalize much, T-Man?

It's a scientific sampling of the 10 people or so I speak with each day...

[AZGrizFan]

generalize much, T-Man?

It's a scientific sampling of the 10 people or so I speak with each day...

Oh, well then nevermind.

[grizzaholic]

You are correct.

I liked "you are true" better.

Shut up...

[Appaholic]

Hell, there's more Californians than that moving into the area....hunt them...it's more fun and much more needed...they'll really fok up the environment and property values.....

Huh...Appa bitching about CA liberals fokking up America? Who'd a thunk...

Different class though...

...the CA's moving into Idaho/MT/WY/UT or other spots in the Midwest and South are the ones sick of the pukey liberal whackos like yourself. In my experience, and I know a ton of 'em...most are well received so long as they don't attempt to "infect" the area with any CA thoughtless-lib-poison. When I traveled, I practiced one rule with folks/clients I met...within the first 10 minutes of meeting them, I always advised them:
1) I do not live in SF or LA, I lived and was raised around Ag country,
2) I hate SF and LA and plan on leaving CA as soon as possible.
3) The image of CA portrayed in the media isn't even close. It is a leftist social engineering failure that the MSM won't discuss.
4) They are fortunate they don't live in CA, nor should they ever waste their time visiting, but if they do, skip LA and SF and go see Yosemite.

The CA's that are moving to the NE, or SE in Raleigh/Durham corridor, are the no'er do well lib elitists who never succeeded in business, never produced anything helpful to society, and will end up becoming lifetime chapter board members of their local Sierra Club, living off their trusts and inheritance.

...do me just this one favor today, Appa...rather than taking the "bait" torch from D1B today, why not try adding something constructive to the discussion?

Tman...suck my dick you fokking blowhard....what part of my argument is incorrect? That we almost hunted the wolves to extinction? That we couldn't do it again? That ranchers don't receive subsidies from the government? Which part? That's the problem with you and your ilk..it's all or nothing...I state to take them off of the list if they have a sustainable population and treat them like any other big game with a season and limits...you know...blance...game management,,,and your reponse? I'm a fokking ne'er-do-well liberal elitist enviro-whacko...good job Rush...I'm not against ranchers, I am against allowing a small population in a certain region annilhate an entire native animal population so they don't incur some loses of a non-native cash cow....they should be hunted as man is their predator, but it should be MANAGED like any other animal population as they do serve a function in a natural cycle....anyone who thinks otherwise is merely looking at the inconvenience and dollar losses...you're a fokking idiot...

[Appaholic]

I believe I read somewhere once that the wolf is the onlyl predator that kills for sport.

You are correct.

Cats do as well....

[D1B]

Obama will reverse it.

The noble wolf will continue to roam, and continue to get unfairly blamed for everything.

If you were a cattle rancher and losing $10,000-$12,000 in income every year (like my sister and her husband) from wolfpacks, you wouldn't feel they were so "noble". Wolves kill DOZENS of their cattle every year.

Losing cash? I though ranchers got reimbursed by the federal government for this?

[D1B]

Hell, there's more Californians than that moving into the area....hunt them...it's more fun and much more needed...they'll really fok up the environment and property values.....

Huh...Appa bitching about CA liberals fokking up America? Who'd a thunk...

Different class though...

...the CA's moving into Idaho/MT/WY/UT or other spots in the Midwest and South are the ones sick of the pukey liberal whackos like yourself. In my experience, and I know a ton of 'em...most are well received so long as they don't attempt to "infect" the area with any CA thoughtless-lib-poison. When I traveled, I practiced one rule with folks/clients I met...within the first 10 minutes of meeting them, I always advised them:
1) I do not live in SF or LA, I lived and was raised around Ag country,
2) I hate SF and LA and plan on leaving CA as soon as possible.
3) The image of CA portrayed in the media isn't even close. It is a leftist social engineering failure that the MSM won't discuss.
4) They are fortunate they don't live in CA, nor should they ever waste their time visiting, but if they do, skip LA and SF and go see Yosemite.

The CA's that are moving to the NE, or SE in Raleigh/Durham corridor, are the no'er do well lib elitists who never succeeded in business, never produced anything helpful to society, and will end up becoming lifetime chapter board members of their local Sierra Club, living off their trusts and inheritance.

...do me just this one favor today, Appa...rather than taking the "bait" torch from D1B today, why not try adding something constructive to the discussion?

Leave me out of this you fat sack of shit.

[Gil Dobie]

With so many wolves, it's a matter of time before they start eating people due to overpopulation and not enough natural food supply.

[wideright82]

With so many wolves, it's a matter of time before they start eating people due to overpopulation and not enough natural food supply.

I'm fine with that. Finally humans will have to learn how to REALLY survive. Battle between wolf and man. Now THAT would be some shit.

[grizzaholic]

With so many wolves, it's a matter of time before they start eating people due to overpopulation and not enough natural food supply.

I'm fine with that. Finally humans will have to learn how to REALLY survive. Battle between wolf and man. Now THAT would be some shit.

Bring it. It will lose the battle if it attacks me in the woods.

[Grizalltheway]

With so many wolves, it's a matter of time before they start eating people due to overpopulation and not enough natural food supply.

I'm fine with that. Finally humans will have to learn how to REALLY survive. Battle between wolf and man. Now THAT would be some shit.

Is that you Conrad Burns?

"If wolves are re-introduced to YNP, I guarantee you a child WILL be killed within one year".