Shut the fuck up Obama

[JohnStOnge]

I think estimates such as those shown at http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus ... cv0840.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; are good because some people will say that the disproportionate number of arrests and convictions among Black males is due to police focusing on Black males and an unfair justice system. The estimates at the link are of the number of instances in which the victim in a violent crime perceived the offender to be a member of a given race.

For all crimes categorized as "violent" the offender was perceived as Black 22.8 percent of the time and as White 58.4 percent of the time. But only 13.1 percent of the population is Black while 77.9 percent of it is White. If all races were equally likely to commit violent crimes at identical frequencies on average you'd expect both the quantity (offender Black/percent of population Black) and the quantity (offender White/percent population White) to be 1. But it's not. The quantity (offender Black/percent population Black) is 1.74 while the quantity (offender White/percent population White) is 0.75. The value for Blacks is more than double (2.3 times) that for Whites.

And it gets particularly disparate for some crimes. Look at the "Robbery Completed /Property Taken" category. The offender was perceived as Black in 42.9 percent of cases and as White in 35.1 percent of cases. For that the quantity (offender Black/percent population Black) is 3.27 while the quantity (Offender White/percent population White) is 0.45. The quantity for Blacks is more than 7 times (7.2) that for Whites.

Those disparities can't be written off as caused by things like police focusing more on Blacks and an unjust justice system. And, though I haven't yet found a table that breaks it down by race and sex, I think we'd all expect the picture to look even worse if we isolate "Black Male" instead of just Black. To refer to statistics showing that Black males are more likely to be a threat then dismiss reactions based on those statistics as "excuses" is pretty bad. I think it's what our culture has a tendency to do. But it's bad.

If we want to have an "honest discussion on race" we can't start off by saying we're not going to discuss the fact that Blacks in general and Black males in particular ARE more likely to engage in attacking people, taking other people's property, etc. . We can't start off by refusing to acknowledge that behavior of too large a number of Blacks plays a role in perceptions innocent Blacks suffer from. And we can't continue to act like there's no rational reason for a woman in an elevator to clutch her purse when she sees a young Black male she knows nothing about.

[Tod]

Perhaps he should comment on/give a **** about the 93% of blacks that are killed by OTHER BLACKS.

Or that 85% of whites are killed by other whites! Oops, sorry, that doesn't fit into your ignorant rant.

[CID1990]

Perhaps he should comment on/give a **** about the 93% of blacks that are killed by OTHER BLACKS.

Or that 85% of whites are killed by other whites! Oops, sorry, that doesn't fit into your ignorant rant.

If you look more carefully at the UCR, you'll find that black males are many times more likely to be murdered than white males. People tend to do things within their own racial groups, including kill each other.

However, simply stating the rate at which whites kill each other as some kind of rebuttal to the fact that blacks actually commit these types of crimes at a hugely disproportionate rate is disingenuous at best.

So go ahead and quote The Root all you like, but white on white murder is not an epidemic by any stretch.


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[DSUrocks07]

I hate statistics

[Tod]

Or that 85% of whites are killed by other whites! Oops, sorry, that doesn't fit into your ignorant rant.

If you look more carefully at the UCR, you'll find that black males are many times more likely to be murdered than white males. People tend to do things within their own racial groups, including kill each other.

However, simply stating the rate at which whites kill each other as some kind of rebuttal to the fact that blacks actually commit these types of crimes at a hugely disproportionate rate is disingenuous at best.

So go ahead and quote The Root all you like, but white on white murder is not an epidemic by any stretch.


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Then I have to question why the racists love to throw that 93% figure around, particularly in a thread about the president's comments on a case that doesn't fit the black-on-black criteria.

Whites killing whites is just as pertinent.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Just because somebody points out actual stats doesn't make them racist and the reason people throw it out there is pretty simple. We are concerned about 13% of the country committing 50% of the violent crime. Not just for our safety but for the general good of people in the black community. Nobody deserves to live like that, we feel sorry for them.

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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Perhaps he should comment on/give a **** about the 93% of blacks that are killed by OTHER BLACKS.

Or that 85% of whites are killed by other whites! Oops, sorry, that doesn't fit into your ignorant rant.

Ignorant?

Facts are facts.

[Tod]

Just because somebody points out actual stats doesn't make them racist and the reason people throw it out there is pretty simple. We are concerned about 13% of the country committing 50% of the violent crime. Not just for our safety but for the general good of people in the black community. Nobody deserves to live like that, we feel sorry for them.

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That was a very restrained and reasonable response for you. Nice job. But it still has nothing to do with the Zimmerman case, and nothing to do with the president. That's why it's a racist argument in this thread.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Racism doesnt exist on this site, its an equal opportunity site.

[Tod]

Racism doesnt exist on this site, its an equal opportunity site.

My bad.

[JohnStOnge]

Or that 85% of whites are killed by other whites! Oops, sorry, that doesn't fit into your ignorant rant.

It makes sense that most murders of Whites and most murders of Blacks would be by other Blacks for at least two reasons. One is that most murders are committed by people who know the victim. The other is that, on average, a member of either race is probably going to spend more time among members of his or her own race.

But there's still a dichotomy. The table at http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus ... cv0842.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; can't include murder because, obviously, a murder victim can't tell anybody how they perceived the offender. But in overall crimes of violence against Whites the quantity (offenders White/percent population White) is 0.86 while the quantity (offenders Black/percent population Black) is 1.18 (i.e., given percentages of each in the population, the representation of Blacks among those who commit crimes of violence against Whites is disproportionately high). Meanwhile, in overall crimes against Blacks, the quantity (offenders White/percent population White) is only 0.20 white the quantity (offenders Black/percent population Black) is 4.94.

So given percentages of each race in the population, both Whites and Blacks victims of violent crime such that the victims are still around to report offender race were disproportionately victimized by Blacks.

[JohnStOnge]

Another thing on Obama focusing on the Black experience while ignoring the White experience: It's my own experience over a lifetime. Last night I sat back and honestly thought about all the instances in my life and in the lives of those around me when I or people I know were victims of violent crime or attempted violent crime.

I could think of two instances in which someone tried to intimidate me into giving them money. One was at a football game when I was in high school and somebody came up and demanded that I give them some money. The other time was when I was in my early 20s, was at a bus station, dropped some money on the floor and somebody walked up and told me "that's mine." In both instances the person involved was a Black male.

The only instance in which a friend of mine was robbed was when he went to Mardi Gras and a group of Black males knocked him to the ground and took his camera.

The only instance in which a family member was a victim of violent crime was one in which my brother was walking back to his car after a high school football game and two Black males attacked him in what we believe was an attempt to rob him. One hit him in the head from behind to stun him then both jumped him. Other people nearby came to his aid and the attackers fled.

The only violent crime I've witnessed involving someone I don't know was when I was working in an all night convenience store and three teenaged Black males attacked a woman in the parking lot. I ran outside yelling and screaming. Thankfully they ran away but they got her purse.

That's it. That's one White person's experience with violent crime. And all of the offenders were Black males.

Is it any less valid to say it's understandable for my experience to shape my outlook than it is to say that its understandable for someone to be offended by hearing car doors lock when they walk by? Can I be blamed for being more on guard when Black males that are not known to me are around? Especially since I also pay attention to and am good at interpreting statistics and the statistics clearly say a randomly selected Black male is more likely than a randomly selected member of the rest of the population to be a threat.

[CID1990]

Whites killing whites is just as pertinent.

Not when it happens at 1/5th the frequency.

You can ignore that fact all you want.


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[ODUsmitty]

JSO-

Thanks for the statistics. This is a conversation that I wish people had more often, and data (vice emotion) is much appreciated. The ratios of crime give a much more fair comparison of how and by whom crime is committed by Americans.

And Tod can suck it until he gets lockjaw. He can label people whatever fits into in commie social justice agenda. I quit caring a long time ago what the Tods of the world thought of my beliefs.

The President, once again, missed an opportunity to actually be "Presidential"
and unifying. And, once again, he chose to try to score politcal points vice representing ALL Americans.

To answer another thread, he is the worst (followed closely by Johnson and Carter) chief executive this country has ever seen, and the cronyism, coverups, lies, misrepresentations, and politicalization of events his administration has sponsored are Alinsky-ish, coordinated, and intentional.

[AZGrizFan]

Perhaps he should comment on/give a **** about the 93% of blacks that are killed by OTHER BLACKS.

Or that 85% of whites are killed by other whites! Oops, sorry, that doesn't fit into your ignorant rant.

I see you're still a douche. Facts suck, don't they? Especially to you liberals that would rather politicize ONE death than care about the other thousands that happen at the hands of another black man.

If Obama had even ONCE shown a shred of concern for ANY of the thousands of blacks killed by other blacks in much more violent fashion I might give two shits about what he thought about THIS particular death. But he hasn't, so he should just take slycat's advice and shut the fuck up.

[AZGrizFan]

If you look more carefully at the UCR, you'll find that black males are many times more likely to be murdered than white males. People tend to do things within their own racial groups, including kill each other.

However, simply stating the rate at which whites kill each other as some kind of rebuttal to the fact that blacks actually commit these types of crimes at a hugely disproportionate rate is disingenuous at best.

So go ahead and quote The Root all you like, but white on white murder is not an epidemic by any stretch.


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Then I have to question why the racists love to throw that 93% figure around, particularly in a thread about the president's comments on a case that doesn't fit the black-on-black criteria.

Whites killing whites is just as pertinent.

But somehow blacks killing whites isn't racist, but hispanics killing blacks is. Brilliant.

[BDKJMU]

Perhaps he should comment on/give a **** about the 93% of blacks that are killed by OTHER BLACKS.

He did bring it up in his speech. He said that can't be dismissed.

I was judged by others when I had a mohwak for a week in college. I heard kids tell there moms I looked scary or others treat me different. I was the same old perosn that had a clean haircut. Yet I was judge for how I looked.

I bet if you walked down the street naked you would have others treat you different. You would be the same old person, just with no clothes. You would be judges for how you looked.

[blueballs]

Two words for Tod and all the libs: Roderick Scott. Look it up.

[Baldy]

Two words for Tod and all the libs: Roderick Scott. Look it up.

I'm ready to protest whenever you are.

[blueballs]

Here's another name for all you libs to look up: Emily Haddock.

Maybe your heroes 0bama, Jackson, and Sharpton can comment on her and organize "Justice for Emily" marches and maybe the media can publish a picture of her.

#frauds
#fuckingassholes

[mrklean]

I think estimates such as those shown at http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus ... cv0840.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; are good because some people will say that the disproportionate number of arrests and convictions among Black males is due to police focusing on Black males and an unfair justice system. The estimates at the link are of the number of instances in which the victim in a violent crime perceived the offender to be a member of a given race.

For all crimes categorized as "violent" the offender was perceived as Black 22.8 percent of the time and as White 58.4 percent of the time. But only 13.1 percent of the population is Black while 77.9 percent of it is White. If all races were equally likely to commit violent crimes at identical frequencies on average you'd expect both the quantity (offender Black/percent of population Black) and the quantity (offender White/percent population White) to be 1. But it's not. The quantity (offender Black/percent population Black) is 1.74 while the quantity (offender White/percent population White) is 0.75. The value for Blacks is more than double (2.3 times) that for Whites.

And it gets particularly disparate for some crimes. Look at the "Robbery Completed /Property Taken" category. The offender was perceived as Black in 42.9 percent of cases and as White in 35.1 percent of cases. For that the quantity (offender Black/percent population Black) is 3.27 while the quantity (Offender White/percent population White) is 0.45. The quantity for Blacks is more than 7 times (7.2) that for Whites.

Those disparities can't be written off as caused by things like police focusing more on Blacks and an unjust justice system. And, though I haven't yet found a table that breaks it down by race and sex, I think we'd all expect the picture to look even worse if we isolate "Black Male" instead of just Black. To refer to statistics showing that Black males are more likely to be a threat then dismiss reactions based on those statistics as "excuses" is pretty bad. I think it's what our culture has a tendency to do. But it's bad.

If we want to have an "honest discussion on race" we can't start off by saying we're not going to discuss the fact that Blacks in general and Black males in particular ARE more likely to engage in attacking people, taking other people's property, etc. . We can't start off by refusing to acknowledge that behavior of too large a number of Blacks plays a role in perceptions innocent Blacks suffer from. And we can't continue to act like there's no rational reason for a woman in an elevator to clutch her purse when she sees a young Black male she knows nothing about.

[Ibanez]

I hate statistics

There is a 50/50 chance that you will actually like statistics.

[LeadBolt]

Another statistic not often discussed, since 1980 the murder rate in the US has fallen by over half. I wonder why we don't hear about that in the media...

Here's an interesting blog from Romany Malco on the tragedy of Trayvon Martin's death. It is thought provoking and seems spot on:

http://www.eurweb.com/2013/07/romany...-sympathizers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"To be brutally honest, the only reason people are even aware of Trayvon Martin is because it became a topic within mainstream news and pop culture. Meaning: News directors saw it as a profitable, sensational story. Hundreds of blacks die annually in South Side Chicago without even a blurb. Trayvon isn’t in the mainstream news for any reason other than ratings and profit."

"Our “government” continues to wreak havoc on our civil liberties and there is little to no protest from the black community because of media diversion tactics that keep such pertinent issues out of mainstream media."

"My point being, people are up in arms about Trayvon based on regurgitated pundits and manipulated facts aired to elicit emotion while fueling America’s anger and division. That’s how you boost ratings."

"Addressing Trayvon without first addressing the absence of critical thinking in our schools, the lack of introspection, the reasons for our low tolerance and our country’s skewed value system does nothing more than create a sounding board for the ignorant."

"We lost that case by using media outlets (music, movies, social media, etc.) as vehicles to perpetuate the same negative images and social issues that destroyed the black community in the first place. When we went on record glorifying violent crime and when we voted for a president we never thought to hold accountable."

"If we really wanted to ensure Trayvon Martin’s killing was not in vain, we’d stop perpetuating negative images that are now synonymous with black men in America. We’d stop rapping about selling drugs and killing niggas. The next time we saw a man beating a woman, we’d call for help or break it up, but one thing we would not do is stand by with our cellphones out — yelling WORLDSTAR! Instead of rewarding kids for memorization, we’d reward them for independent and critical thinking."

"We’d set examples of self-love for our youth by honoring our own hair, skin and eye color. We’d stop spending money on designer gear that we should be spending on our physical and psychological health. We’d seek information outside the corporate owned-media that manipulates us."

"Education, introspection, self-love and excellence are the only ways to overcome the wrath of ignorance. "

I believe this is true for all Americans. The USA is being manipulated for power, profit and fame by many who are fostering division, hate and the destruction of our country for their self interest. Many of those folks have found refuge in the media, government and educational system, much as was done in Germany in the 1920's and 1930's.

[Ibanez]

Then I have to question why the racists love to throw that 93% figure around, particularly in a thread about the president's comments on a case that doesn't fit the black-on-black criteria.

Whites killing whites is just as pertinent.

But somehow blacks killing whites isn't racist, but hispanics killing blacks is. Brilliant.

Didn't you see the YT posts about this? Blacks can't be racists because they were victims of racism for so long. They have "earned" it.

[Ibanez]

I think estimates such as those shown at http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus ... cv0840.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; are good because some people will say that the disproportionate number of arrests and convictions among Black males is due to police focusing on Black males and an unfair justice system. The estimates at the link are of the number of instances in which the victim in a violent crime perceived the offender to be a member of a given race.

For all crimes categorized as "violent" the offender was perceived as Black 22.8 percent of the time and as White 58.4 percent of the time. But only 13.1 percent of the population is Black while 77.9 percent of it is White. If all races were equally likely to commit violent crimes at identical frequencies on average you'd expect both the quantity (offender Black/percent of population Black) and the quantity (offender White/percent population White) to be 1. But it's not. The quantity (offender Black/percent population Black) is 1.74 while the quantity (offender White/percent population White) is 0.75. The value for Blacks is more than double (2.3 times) that for Whites.

And it gets particularly disparate for some crimes. Look at the "Robbery Completed /Property Taken" category. The offender was perceived as Black in 42.9 percent of cases and as White in 35.1 percent of cases. For that the quantity (offender Black/percent population Black) is 3.27 while the quantity (Offender White/percent population White) is 0.45. The quantity for Blacks is more than 7 times (7.2) that for Whites.

Those disparities can't be written off as caused by things like police focusing more on Blacks and an unjust justice system. And, though I haven't yet found a table that breaks it down by race and sex, I think we'd all expect the picture to look even worse if we isolate "Black Male" instead of just Black. To refer to statistics showing that Black males are more likely to be a threat then dismiss reactions based on those statistics as "excuses" is pretty bad. I think it's what our culture has a tendency to do. But it's bad.

If we want to have an "honest discussion on race" we can't start off by saying we're not going to discuss the fact that Blacks in general and Black males in particular ARE more likely to engage in attacking people, taking other people's property, etc. . We can't start off by refusing to acknowledge that behavior of too large a number of Blacks plays a role in perceptions innocent Blacks suffer from. And we can't continue to act like there's no rational reason for a woman in an elevator to clutch her purse when she sees a young Black male she knows nothing about.

What is so funny, do you not want to engage in an honest, unemotional conversation on race? Shouldn't we have this discussion so that we can understand each other and learn from each other?