Is Iran an enemy to the United States?

Post by **93henfan** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:24 pm

Canada is the enemy. Hosers.

Post by **andy7171** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:32 pm

houndawg wrote:
andy7171 wrote: Every last one of them!
Must suck to go through life afraid of everything...

You must not...
I don't even give a fuck.

Post by **andy7171** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:33 pm

93henfan wrote:Canada is the enemy. Hosers.

I was going to mention Canada but decided against them and Grenada as obvious enemies.

Post by **kalm** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:42 pm

andy7171 wrote:
93henfan wrote:Canada is the enemy. Hosers.
I was going to mention Canada but decided against them and Grenada as obvious enemies.

Pussy

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:57 pm

LeadBolt wrote:It's not so much that Iran is an enemy of the US as it is that Iran considers the US its enemy and "The Great Satan". Therefore, the Iran is an enemy of the US, and some day the US will realize that.

Meh...
The few that wield the power in Iran see the entire world as their enemy
The recent enthusiastic right wing fervor over Iran is pretty entertaining
we must be in the market for a new boogie man apparently

ALPHAGRIZ1 · Post by **ALPHAGRIZ1** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:21 pm

Did you get that from a couple pages back?

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:40 pm

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Did you get that from a couple pages back?

If somebody already said that then we agree...

ALPHAGRIZ1 · Post by **ALPHAGRIZ1** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:29 pm

Plagiarist

Start thinking for yourself and less people will laugh at you.

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:00 pm

Iran is only our enemy as much as we allow them to be. There really aren't any effective sanctions against them that prevent them from financing terrorist organizations or seeking the bomb.

The bottom line is that as long as the mullacracy exists in Iran, they will act against the West's interests and they will pursue the bomb.

And between the people who consider them an existential threat (they aren't if we don't allow them to be) and those that believe that the "trust us" super secret glad handing approach will work are equally deluded.

The key to Iran is containment in terms of the influence of their security services. The key to preventing them getting the bomb is to negotiate with them AFTER sending the B2s over one of their nuke sites, and then sending them again and again each time they walk away from the table.

Post by **kalm** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:52 am

CID1990 wrote:Iran is only our enemy as much as we allow them to be. There really aren't any effective sanctions against them that prevent them from financing terrorist organizations or seeking the bomb.

The bottom line is that as long as the mullacracy exists in Iran, they will act against the West's interests and they will pursue the bomb.

And between the people who consider them an existential threat (they aren't if we don't allow them to be) and those that believe that the "trust us" super secret glad handing approach will work are equally deluded.

The key to Iran is containment in terms of the influence of their security services. The key to preventing them getting the bomb is to negotiate with them AFTER sending the B2s over one of their nuke sites, and then sending them again and again each time they walk away from the table.

"Mullacracy"...

Skjellyfetti · Post by **Skjellyfetti** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:30 am

CID1990 wrote: The bottom line is that as long as the mullacracy exists in Iran, they will act against the West's interests and they will pursue the bomb.

The key is the mullacracy. Period. Not "containment."

CID1990 wrote:The key to Iran is containment

No. The key is to try to foment dissent and revolt so that there will no longer be a mullocracy.

The negotiations aren't about sitting down with Iran and convincing them to give up their nuclear program (into which they've sunk far more money than they can afford). That ain't happening.

Sanctions have crippled Iran's economy - but, the mullocracy can simply point to the Western Devils and say that their struggles are because of the US, Israel, etc. They use the sanctions to consolidate power (also, see Putin and Russia). With negotiations - the mullocracy had an opportunity to weaken or loosen sanctions and their people know that. If the sanctions were to fail (and, the likelihood was always that they would probably fail) it would be damaging to the mullacracy and (hopefully) cause more to start pressuring for democracy.

With the Republican shit show - that's out of the question. The negotiations can fail and the mullacracy can simply point to the letter as evidence that the Western Devils never meant to negotiate, that the sanctions are just hatred for Islam, blah blah blah (and, that's already what Iran is doing).

Post by **andy7171** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:05 am

Skjellyfetti wrote: No. The key is to try to foment dissent and revolt so that there will no longer be a mullocracy.

Yes. Well, Obama obviously isn't interested in that, if he were, he would have jumped all over the tragic For Neda movement.

Post by **93henfan** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:07 am

andy7171 wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote: No. The key is to try to foment dissent and revolt so that there will no longer be a mullocracy.
Yes. Well, Obama obviously isn't interested in that, if he were, he would have jumped all over the tragic For Neda movement.

What the hell are you talking about Andy?!!!11!

Post by **andy7171** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:23 am

Isn't that the name of that Iranian girl who got killt in the streets?

Post by **93henfan** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:26 am

andy7171 wrote:Isn't that the name of that Iranian girl who got killt in the streets?

Maybe. I don't read the Iranian newspapers. Especially with all those cartoonists drawing pictures of God and Jesus. I really hate that.

Post by **andy7171** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:30 am

93henfan wrote:
andy7171 wrote:Isn't that the name of that Iranian girl who got killt in the streets?
Maybe. I don't read the Iranian newspapers. Especially with all those cartoonists drawing pictures of God and Jesus. I really hate that.

IIRC, she got popped in the chest and bled out in front of her father and fiance in seconds, on tv. I want to say 6 years ago? Obama sat on his hands.

Post by **93henfan** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:31 am

andy7171 wrote:
93henfan wrote:
Maybe. I don't read the Iranian newspapers. Especially with all those cartoonists drawing pictures of God and Jesus. I really hate that.
IIRC, she got popped in the chest and bled out in front of her father and fiance in seconds, on tv. I want to say 6 years ago? Obama sat on his hands.

Well, she probably deserved it. Did she forget to cover her nose in public?

Slut!

Post by **kalm** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:51 am

andy7171 wrote:
93henfan wrote:
Maybe. I don't read the Iranian newspapers. Especially with all those cartoonists drawing pictures of God and Jesus. I really hate that.
IIRC, she got popped in the chest and bled out in front of her father and fiance in seconds, on tv. I want to say 6 years ago? Obama sat on his hands.

Fucking Obama...

Post by **andy7171** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:08 am

kalm wrote:
andy7171 wrote: IIRC, she got popped in the chest and bled out in front of her father and fiance in seconds, on tv. I want to say 6 years ago? Obama sat on his hands.
Fucking Obama...

It happened around the same time Egypt and Libya and all the rest of the Arab Spring was happening. Why didn't Obama back the Iranian students in the streets? I would like to think he doesn't back the Mullocracy.

Post by **93henfan** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:18 am

andy7171 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Fucking Obama...
It happened around the same time Egypt and Libya and all the rest of the Arab Spring was happening. Why didn't Obama back the Iranian students in the streets? I would like to think he doesn't back the Mullocracy.

In those Egyptians' defense, I would grope Lara Logan too if given the chance!

Yowza!!

Post by **Grizalltheway** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:20 am

That is disgusting, 93henfan!

Post by **kalm** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:22 am

andy7171 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Fucking Obama...
It happened around the same time Egypt and Libya and all the rest of the Arab Spring was happening. Why didn't Obama back the Iranian students in the streets? I would like to think he doesn't back the Mullocracy.

Indeed. Why didn't he back them? Probably because he's pro-Iran. He's even trying to talk to them for fuck's sake.

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:58 am

CID1990 wrote:Iran is only our enemy as much as we allow them to be. There really aren't any effective sanctions against them that prevent them from financing terrorist organizations or seeking the bomb.

The bottom line is that as long as the mullacracy exists in Iran, they will act against the West's interests and they will pursue the bomb.

And between the people who consider them an existential threat (they aren't if we don't allow them to be) and those that believe that the "trust us" super secret glad handing approach will work are equally deluded.

The key to Iran is containment in terms of the influence of their security services. The key to preventing them getting the bomb is to negotiate with them AFTER sending the B2s over one of their nuke sites, and then sending them again and again each time they walk away from the table.

What the B-2s should be dropping on Iran is Levis and Rock n Roll CDs. Half the nation is under 35 years old and couldn't care less about fundamentalist mullahs.

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:00 am

DSUrocks07 wrote:Point of clarification, governments and people are no synonymous FWIW

Is the Iranian government an enemy of the US government? Probably. Elements of both parties have been "at war" for decades.

But the Iranian people and the American people? Debatable.

Thousands of Iranians went to college here. Many stayed and many more wanted to.

JohnStOnge · Post by **JohnStOnge** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:43 pm

Is this some kind of trick question?

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