Guns don't kill. Toddlers do.

[93henfan]

Another massive thread fail by analjelly....

I'll say one thing for the lad....he's a glutton for punishment.

Well, there is one implied statement embedded in his post that I am willing to accept.

Any family that is so stupid that they would leave a loaded gun sitting unattended probably should have their family naturally, selectively thinned.

[CID1990]

They're also unreasonable assholes.

I always tried to avoid arguing politics with them.

I wondered why I never saw you arguing with Jelly

[Skjellyfetti]

The elephant in the room for the ban list is cars. We lose about 100 people a day to traffic fatalities, and this has been going on for over a hundred years. This is after we have drastically cut the per capita rate through making cars safer and safer the whole time.

Please. Think of the children. Turn your cars in to your local police department now.

Great example.

We had a huge problem with highway fatalities. We instituted some smart laws - like safety standards, seatbelt laws, etc.

Highway fatalities have fallen ever since.

No one is saying that we eliminated highway fatalities. It's not a reasonable goal. Simply reducing highway fatalities was the goal and it was successful.

And, similarly, no one is saying that we can eliminate gun deaths.

But, refusing to do anything. Or saying the problem can be solved with "more guns" is frighteningly stupid.

[kalm]

The elephant in the room for the ban list is cars. We lose about 100 people a day to traffic fatalities, and this has been going on for over a hundred years. This is after we have drastically cut the per capita rate through making cars safer and safer the whole time.

Please. Think of the children. Turn your cars in to your local police department now.

Great example.

We had a huge problem with highway fatalities. We instituted some smart laws - like safety standards, seatbelt laws, etc.

Highway fatalities have fallen ever since.

No one is saying that we eliminated highway fatalities. It's not a reasonable goal. Simply reducing highway fatalities was the goal and it was successful.

And, similarly, no one is saying that we can eliminate gun deaths.

But, refusing to do anything. Or saying the problem can be solved with "more guns" is frighteningly stupid.

[kalm]

Perhaps we need to ban pastors....oops I mean bricks.

Pastor kills brick-wielding man during church service
George Hunter, The Detroit News 9:32 p.m. EDT October 18, 2015

Violence marred a church service Sunday when a man with a brick attacked the pastor, who whipped out his Glock handgun and fired several shots, killing the man, Detroit police said.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l ... /74190782/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[93henfan]

The elephant in the room for the ban list is cars. We lose about 100 people a day to traffic fatalities, and this has been going on for over a hundred years. This is after we have drastically cut the per capita rate through making cars safer and safer the whole time.

Please. Think of the children. Turn your cars in to your local police department now.

Great example.

We had a huge problem with highway fatalities. We instituted some smart laws - like safety standards, seatbelt laws, etc.

Highway fatalities have fallen ever since.

No one is saying that we eliminated highway fatalities. It's not a reasonable goal. Simply reducing highway fatalities was the goal and it was successful.

And, similarly, no one is saying that we can eliminate gun deaths.

But, refusing to do anything. Or saying the problem can be solved with "more guns" is frighteningly stupid.

More guns in the hands of the right people is not frighteningly stupid. Disarming the American public would be frighteningly stupid. It was important enough to be the second most important thing to the guys who wrote the Constitution. Number one was to be able to tell the Government it's wrong when it's wrong, and number two was to be able to overthrow it if it won't get right. Make no mistake about the intention of the Second Amendment. It was meant to allow the overthrow of the standing armies of the federal government should the federal government return to tyranny. Allowing individuals to defend themselves and their families from violent criminals is a nice secondary benefit.

[Gil Dobie]

# of household deaths from:

poisonous liquids: 5000
fire: 19,000
slips & falls: 9,000
small table fans: 50
refrigerators: 45
automatic garage doors: 3000 (since 1983)

So yeah. Guns in homes are a huge problem.

Some people should not own guns, others should not own the items on the above list provided by AZGriz.

[Gil Dobie]

The elephant in the room for the ban list is cars. We lose about 100 people a day to traffic fatalities, and this has been going on for over a hundred years. This is after we have drastically cut the per capita rate through making cars safer and safer the whole time.

Please. Think of the children. Turn your cars in to your local police department now.

Great example.

We had a huge problem with highway fatalities. We instituted some smart laws - like safety standards, seatbelt laws, etc.

Highway fatalities have fallen ever since.

No one is saying that we eliminated highway fatalities. It's not a reasonable goal. Simply reducing highway fatalities was the goal and it was successful.

And, similarly, no one is saying that we can eliminate gun deaths.

But, refusing to do anything. Or saying the problem can be solved with "more guns" is frighteningly stupid.

You just hit the nail on the head. It was smart laws, safety standards etc, that reduced the number of highway fatalities. They didn't reduce the number of automobiles or ban certain types of cars. They do try and restrict who can drive to a certain degree, although not 100 percent successful. Drunk drivers are still involved in around 40 percent of all fatalities.

Here's another thought, did all these mass murderers walk to the destination or did they drive? Is there a similarity between who should drive and who should own a gun?

[CID1990]

The elephant in the room for the ban list is cars. We lose about 100 people a day to traffic fatalities, and this has been going on for over a hundred years. This is after we have drastically cut the per capita rate through making cars safer and safer the whole time.

Please. Think of the children. Turn your cars in to your local police department now.

Great example.

We had a huge problem with highway fatalities. We instituted some smart laws - like safety standards, seatbelt laws, etc.

Highway fatalities have fallen ever since.

No one is saying that we eliminated highway fatalities. It's not a reasonable goal. Simply reducing highway fatalities was the goal and it was successful.

And, similarly, no one is saying that we can eliminate gun deaths.

But, refusing to do anything. Or saying the problem can be solved with "more guns" is frighteningly stupid.

Any article that blames the NRA boogeyman can be dismissed out of hand. The NRA isnt to blame when it is voters who overwhelmingly punish lawmakers who step too far over the line.

Either repeal the 2nd Amendment or STFU.

[kalm]

Great example.

We had a huge problem with highway fatalities. We instituted some smart laws - like safety standards, seatbelt laws, etc.

Highway fatalities have fallen ever since.

No one is saying that we eliminated highway fatalities. It's not a reasonable goal. Simply reducing highway fatalities was the goal and it was successful.

And, similarly, no one is saying that we can eliminate gun deaths.

But, refusing to do anything. Or saying the problem can be solved with "more guns" is frighteningly stupid.

Any article that blames the NRA boogeyman can be dismissed out of hand. The NRA isnt to blame when it is voters who overwhelmingly punish lawmakers who step too far over the line.

Either repeal the 2nd Amendment or STFU.

Silly companies and candidates...donating and receiving money to and from the NRA.

[Chizzang]

The NRA isn't any different than PETA or Green Peace
or any other tightly focused advocacy group

These kinds of groups
Love it or Hate it: Have essentially one goal

[CID1990]

Any article that blames the NRA boogeyman can be dismissed out of hand. The NRA isnt to blame when it is voters who overwhelmingly punish lawmakers who step too far over the line.

Either repeal the 2nd Amendment or STFU.

Silly companies and candidates...donating and receiving money to and from the NRA.

the NRA doesnt make people vote one way or the other

the vast majority of Americans like their guns (I like mine) and they aren't giving them up

the NRA simply reminds people who is good on guns and who is bad

case in point - with absolutely no help from the NRA, Hillary Clinton did more damage to her chances than the email scandal by praising the Aussie gun grab- she cannot gain any votes from her dbackjon base doing that- she only loses independents

but the NRA will invariably be the boogeyman - cuz Hillary and Slate sez so

[89Hen]

http://www.newsweek.com/us-traffic-deat ... 015-363602

The United States is on track to have its deadliest traffic year since 2007, the National Safety Council says, with nearly 19,000 people killed as a result of motor vehicle accidents between January and June—a 14 percent increase over the same period last year.

The NSC attributes the increase, in part, to lower gas prices, increased cumulative mileage traveled and an improving economy. “One of the strongest correlations tends to be between the economy and traffic fatalities,” Hersman tells Newsweek. “When the economy is doing well and things are growing, we tend to see more fatalities.”

You can thank Bush for the decline.

[Bronco]

-
Add Train deaths by people thinking they can make it 2,500 per year


On the safety issue...just saw this today
Can't think about competing with Govt Motors

Good News and Bad News: A Crossover SUV for $4K

The good news is that Renault is selling a crossover SUV for four thousand bucks. Check out the Kwid!
It's a compact (crossover) SUV, that has a 3 cylinder engine that gets 59 mpg, with a top speed of 125 mph. It sells for somewhere between $3900 and $4700 brand new, depending on which website you look at.

The bad news? You aren't allowed to buy it. It's made for the Indian market, and it doesn't meet US regulatory standards.


Here's some more data on the Kwid:

https://www.renault.co.in/vehicles/pers ... /kwid.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/renault/20 ... 69490.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I saw one upgraded model that was a little over 6K

[AZGrizFan]

The elephant in the room for the ban list is cars. We lose about 100 people a day to traffic fatalities, and this has been going on for over a hundred years. This is after we have drastically cut the per capita rate through making cars safer and safer the whole time.

Please. Think of the children. Turn your cars in to your local police department now.

Great example.

We had a huge problem with highway fatalities. We instituted some smart laws - like safety standards, seatbelt laws, etc.

Highway fatalities have fallen ever since.

No one is saying that we eliminated highway fatalities. It's not a reasonable goal. Simply reducing highway fatalities was the goal and it was successful.

And, similarly, no one is saying that we can eliminate gun deaths.

But, refusing to do anything. Or saying the problem can be solved with "more guns" is frighteningly stupid.

Since 1993, the United States has seen a drop in the rate of homicides and other violence involving guns, according to two new studies released Tuesday. Using government data, analysts saw a steep drop for violence in the 1990s, they saw more modest drops in crime rates since 2000.

"Firearm-related homicides dropped from 18,253 homicides in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011," according to a report by the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics, "and nonfatal firearm crimes dropped from 1.5 million victimizations in 1993 to 467,300 in 2011.

There were seven gun homicides per 100,000 people in 1993, the Pew Research Center study says, which dropped to 3.6 gun deaths in 2010. The study relied in part on data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49 percent lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation's population grew," according to the Pew study. "The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75 percent lower in 2011 than in 1993."

Mission accomplished.

Next!

[Cap'n Cat]

ZBag

Mission accomplished.

Next!

Nigger, you don't even own a gun.

[AZGrizFan]

ZBag

Mission accomplished.

Next!

Nigger, you don't even own a gun.

You're right. I don't own A gun, I own FOUR.

:30-06
.270
9mm
.38

[JohnStOnge]

We had a huge problem with highway fatalities. We instituted some smart laws - like safety standards, seatbelt laws, etc.

Highway fatalities have fallen ever since.

No one is saying that we eliminated highway fatalities. It's not a reasonable goal. Simply reducing highway fatalities was the goal and it was successful.

And, similarly, no one is saying that we can eliminate gun deaths.

But, refusing to do anything. Or saying the problem can be solved with "more guns" is frighteningly stupid.

I saw somebody make that argument on MSNBC within the past few weeks. I wish I could remember who.

I personally think some things that were done in the name of reducing traffic fatalities were wrong. Seat belt laws, for example. Motorcycle helmet laws. I think the idea that "it will save lives" justifies any infringement upon liberty is a bad one. There is NO way, to me, (for example) that government should be telling adults that they MUST, by law, wear a seat belt.

Of course I think the "impaired driving" thing is another area where the Safety NAZIs have gone completely over the top.

Again: This country was not founded on the idea that all men (or people) are endowed by their Creator with maximum public health and safety protection. That's not supposed to be the point of this country.

[AZGrizFan]

here, analjelly...this one's for you:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2015/10/1 ... cmp=hphz02" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Countries must introduce tougher laws to prevent drivers from speeding or drinking and help reduce the toll of 1.25 million people killed each year in traffic accidents, the World Health Organization said on Monday.

The United States, Indonesia and Nigeria are among countries failing to apply best practices, the WHO's Global Status Report on Road Safety 2015.

Car-makers can also play their part, a WHO expert said. Too often safety features are sacrificed in order to keep down car prices, Dr. Etienne Krug said.

"Better laws are needed on speed, drinking and driving, use of motorcycle helmets, seat belts and child restraints," WHO director-general Margaret Chan said, launching the report.

Halving the number of deaths and injuries from road traffic crashes by 2020 is among the U.N.'s Sustainable Development Goals adopted last month by world leaders.

Cyclists, motorcyclists and pedestrians are particularly vulnerable, accounting for 49 percent of fatalities, it said.

[D1B]

here, analjelly...this one's for you:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2015/10/1 ... cmp=hphz02" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Countries must introduce tougher laws to prevent drivers from speeding or drinking and help reduce the toll of 1.25 million people killed each year in traffic accidents, the World Health Organization said on Monday.

The United States, Indonesia and Nigeria are among countries failing to apply best practices, the WHO's Global Status Report on Road Safety 2015.

Car-makers can also play their part, a WHO expert said. Too often safety features are sacrificed in order to keep down car prices, Dr. Etienne Krug said.

"Better laws are needed on speed, drinking and driving, use of motorcycle helmets, seat belts and child restraints," WHO director-general Margaret Chan said, launching the report.

Halving the number of deaths and injuries from road traffic crashes by 2020 is among the U.N.'s Sustainable Development Goals adopted last month by world leaders.

Cyclists, motorcyclists and pedestrians are particularly vulnerable, accounting for 49 percent of fatalities, it said.

Nice deflection, gun fuck.

Jelly hits it out of the park.

[D1B]

Nigger, you don't even own a gun.

You're right. I don't own A gun, I own FOUR.

:30-06
.270
9mm
.38

Zbag, your a paranoid, scared old man with a needle dick.

[AZGrizFan]

here, analjelly...this one's for you:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2015/10/1 ... cmp=hphz02" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nice deflection, gun fuck.

Jelly hits it out of the park.

Yeah. That's a donk definition of hitting it out of the park. Post a thread, get beaten into submission, slink off into a corner and declare victory. Well done. Right out of the donk playbook.

[AZGrizFan]

You're right. I don't own A gun, I own FOUR.

:30-06
.270
9mm
.38

Zbag, your a paranoid, scared old man with a needle dick.

May be, but I'm a well armed paranoid, scared old man with a needle dick.

[Chizzang]

Silly companies and candidates...donating and receiving money to and from the NRA.

the NRA doesnt make people vote one way or the other

the vast majority of Americans like their guns (I like mine) and they aren't giving them up

the NRA simply reminds people who is good on guns and who is bad

case in point - with absolutely no help from the NRA, Hillary Clinton did more damage to her chances than the email scandal by praising the Aussie gun grab- she cannot gain any votes from her dbackjon base doing that- she only loses independents

but the NRA will invariably be the boogeyman - cuz Hillary and Slate sez so

The NRA could be run so much more intelligently (Frankly) and they mostly trip over their own dicks
but all -in-all they are like just every single issue organization
in that their sincerest followers are nut balls

Green Peace sincerest followers = Nut Balls
PETA sincerest followers = Nut Bags
NRA sincerest followers = Nut Balls

I have no issue with any legitimate single focus organization... Everybody needs something to do

The PROBLEM with Democrats in general is they pay far too much attention to the NRA
Like WAY WAY TOO MUCH - which is the surest way to increase gun sales ever

Its the old Zen saying
The energy you give to your enemy will be used against you
(in ways that can only be described as ironic)

[Chizzang]

Silly companies and candidates...donating and receiving money to and from the NRA.

the NRA doesnt make people vote one way or the other

the vast majority of Americans like their guns (I like mine) and they aren't giving them up

the NRA simply reminds people who is good on guns and who is bad

case in point - with absolutely no help from the NRA, Hillary Clinton did more damage to her chances than the email scandal by praising the Aussie gun grab- she cannot gain any votes from her dbackjon base doing that- she only loses independents

but the NRA will invariably be the boogeyman - cuz Hillary and Slate sez so

The NRA could be run so much more intelligently (Frankly) and they mostly trip over their own dicks
but all -in-all they are like just every single issue organization
in that their sincerest followers are nut balls

Green Peace sincerest followers = Nut Balls
PETA sincerest followers = Nut Bags
NRA sincerest followers = Nut Balls

I have no issue with any legitimate single focus organization... Everybody needs something to do

The PROBLEM with Democrats in general is they pay far too much attention to the NRA
Like WAY WAY TOO MUCH - which is the surest way to increase gun sales ever

Its the old Zen saying
The energy you give to your enemy will be used against you
(in ways that only be described as ironic)