Syrian Refugees

[SDHornet]

They can't fucking walk here like they can to Germany, Turkey, Jordan etc.

Thank God...they would take all of my fellow Brown folks jobs.

[SDHornet]

What Would Jesus Do?

Refugees are human. So are the pricks that will exploit compassion to inflict damage. It's a tough question. Are American lives worth more than Syrian lives? Is the risk of accepting 10,000 refugess worth it if one or two of them murder X number of Americans and create more havoc, panic and fear?

It's a quagmire.



Giggity.

Not really. We sacrificed liberty in the name of security before. This one should be an easy call.

[Ibanez]

Meme's don't lie.

[SDHornet]

Oh how times have changed.

Look, the European record proves that those people don't assimilate. Even here, they ghettoize themselves in enclaves like Dearborn and Minneapolis. So what would be different this time? Nothing. Keep them out. Let the ME countries take them in.

[bluehenbillk]

I'm with an earlier poster - as many of them that would like to go to Alaska are welcome.

[houndawg]

Clearly these Governors don't trust the Government to do this correctly. And they won't.

That being said, everyone is saying that the States can't block the refugees.

But I don't understand why we can't just put up a chunk of money to support them somewhere else.

That's because they're in the governing bidniz themselves.

[houndawg]

Actually yes...

Bullshit.

So we are going to pay to get them here, transport them to the appropriate locations, and pay for their food and housing (for how long?). The US dollar is as strong as it has been in many years. I would rather give them the money it would cost us to do the above. The dollar will go a lot farther anywhere else.

Possibility........ or maybe we could stop bombing their homes to rubble...

[∞∞∞]

Look, the European record proves that those people don't assimilate. Even here, they ghettoize themselves in enclaves like Dearborn and Minneapolis. So what would be different this time? Nothing. Keep them out. Let the ME countries take them in.

Muslims came to Europe post-WWII as unskilled and uneducated laborers. European Muslims didn't assimilate because they were marginalized as a group from the beginning, basically treated as second class humans simply brought in to rebuild a war-torn continent. Generations became stuck in a brutal cycle of poverty and have become more susceptible to radicalism (gangs, terrorism, etc.). In principle, it's the same basic reason many black families are stuck in the cycle of poverty that's bred violence. Anyways, the worst thing we can do is marginalize our immigrants and refugees (regardless of ethnicity, religion, etc.), giving them no hope or reason to be a contributor to society.

Fortunately, the US has historically done a fantastic job compared to the world in integrating its immigrants, which is one reason why our Muslim population is MUCH less susceptible to radicalism than Muslims overseas. But if we end up taking the European route (and I fear that we will), we'll end up creating an underclass that can be set-up as breeding grounds for radical ideas. Approaching immigration and integration issues is more complicated than simply taking a look at race and religion.

[houndawg]

They can't **** walk here like they can to Germany, Turkey, Jordan etc.

Thank God...they would take all of my fellow Brown folks jobs.

Hey - they're brown folk too...... this will help keep the rest of the brown folk from getting' uppity and wanting a raise.

[ASUG8]

How can you vet these people? Do you think Damascus has a database they'd let us cross-reference? The guys who lit up Paris weren't even on our watch list.

This is hardly comparable to the Hmong resettlement. I have no doubt that we'll have quite a few bad apples in the 10,000 that we will eventually bring here.

[houndawg]

How can you vet these people? Do you think Damascus has a database they'd let us cross-reference? The guys who lit up Paris weren't even on our watch list.

This is hardly comparable to the Hmong resettlement. I have no doubt that we'll have quite a few bad apples in the 10,000 that we will eventually bring here.

Cost of doing bidniz if you want to dominate the world. We're getting used to wackjobs periodically shooting up public areas so I don't see this as a very big deal.

[andy7171]

Bullshit.

So we are going to pay to get them here, transport them to the appropriate locations, and pay for their food and housing (for how long?). The US dollar is as strong as it has been in many years. I would rather give them the money it would cost us to do the above. The dollar will go a lot farther anywhere else.

Possibility........ or maybe we could stop bombing their homes to rubble...

Yeah! Fuck the French!

[YoUDeeMan]

Saw a map on the news this morning of states refusing refugees. It looked pretty darned red.

Shep Smith to these governors: GTFO!

Fox News anchor Shepard Smith delivered a commentary Monday afternoon in which he scolded the various state governors who decided to bar refugees from their states in the wake of the terrorist attacks in Paris.

Without specifically mentioning the governors, Smith said the U.S. has a responsibility to protect the values on which the nation was founded, warning that “political extremists” could lead the country to “self-destruction.”

“In the face of terror, will we panic, or be calm and deliberative in approach?” Smith said. “Confronted with those who want to change our way of life, will we abandon our freedoms and the rights granted to us by the Creator?”

In his commentary, Smith suggested that the U.S. must “welcome huddled masses yearning to breathe free,” referring to refugees attempting to escape their war-torn countries of origin. He also warned against taking “extreme measures to fundamentally alter who and what we are.”

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I wasn't aware that George Washington set a specific goal to bring 10,000 refugees to this country...while telling the taxpayers that he would force them to pay for it.

Seriously, how do you say, "Hey, I want to proactively bring a certain number of these particular foreigners to this country?"

We have all sorts of laws preventing discrimination based on race, religion, and even place of origin...but we throw those laws away when we determine to bring in a specific group of people.

The most disgusting part of all this is that it is Obama himself that started this most recent wave of immigration on this massive scale. His insistence on arbitrarily bringing down Gaddafi and Assad, and his lying sack-o-shit policy of providing arms to the Syrian rebels, and providing arms to the Libyan rebels, through the black box, back door CIA initiatives, has resulted in this refugee crisis.

Nobel Peace Prize.

If anyone thinks that there are not terrorists embedded in the waves of immigrants, then you are naive and as dumb as a rock. The extremists have an end game...sowing terror everywhere and breaking down civilization. they see this as an opportunity to send their whack jobs into the West.

Anyone who supports this massive influx of refugees, simply because they want to play a game of, "oh, it will be only a few bad apples coming over..we must save the others," should experience the karma of having one of their children (so that they can explain to the other the wonderful results of helping the downtrodden) blown up at the next terrorist event. Harsh? Not so...it is those folks who are specifically demanding the rest of us, and our families, play their silly game of Russian roulette.

As for the repeated crap about extremists coming from oppressed poor people due to our racism (or whatever garbage you want to label your paranoia as)...how long is that bullshit going to be spewed out? Plenty of wealthy whack jobs have been identified as terrorists...and the money flowing into ISSI isn't coming from the dirt poor of the Muslim world...it is supported by members of wealthy Saudi families.

Furthermore, Appalachia is poor. Dirt poor. And they are armed. Do we see droves of hillbillies going out into the world to kill the infidels? Of course not. We mock and isolate the Amish...they are armed...are they on TV beheading and blowing up anyone who uses modern devices? Of course not.

Plenty of poor places around the world do not erupt in psychotic episodes of hatred infused violence where the victims are identified as anyone that is different.

There is one difference...most religion tells their followers that their god will make the final judgement...and that is expected to be a fair judgement.

Islam, on the other hand, specifically tells their followers to kill and/or subjugate the infidel and non-worshipers of Allah. The followers of Islam are directed to be the judge, jury, and executioner. There is no getting around that. Anyone who claims to be a Muslim who does not acknowledge that fact, and refuses to act on the word of their God, is not really a Muslim.

Until the Muslin community specifically tells their followers that Mohammed was absolutely wrong ( ), then the killings will continue. Obviously, there is a problem with saying that Mohammed was wrong...it would mean the Koran is not the word of Allah. Whoooooooooooops!

Yeah, Muslim leaders, and their followers, are going to come out and say that.

[GannonFan]

Muslims came to Europe post-WWII as unskilled and uneducated laborers. European Muslims didn't assimilate because they were marginalized as a group from the beginning, basically treated as second class humans simply brought in to rebuild a war-torn continent. Generations became stuck in a brutal cycle of poverty and have become more susceptible to radicalism (gangs, terrorism, etc.). In principle, it's the same basic reason many black families are stuck in the cycle of poverty that's bred violence. Anyways, the worst thing we can do is marginalize our immigrants and refugees (regardless of ethnicity, religion, etc.), giving them no hope or reason to be a contributor to society.

Fortunately, the US has historically done a fantastic job compared to the world in integrating its immigrants, which is one reason why our Muslim population is MUCH less susceptible to radicalism than Muslims overseas. But if we end up taking the European route (and I fear that we will), we'll end up creating an underclass that can be set-up as breeding grounds for radical ideas. Approaching immigration and integration issues is more complicated than simply taking a look at race and religion.

I agree with this. The reason why Europe is faced with this issue today is that they couldn't have done a worse job assimilating various minority groups. Those minorities are packed into ghettos, they have no chance for meaningful employment, and they have no real hope of becoming part of the regular culture in Europe. Heck, European racism makes our racism look like a simple disagreement. Europe has fumbled the immigration question for years and I don't see them getting any better at it now.

[D1B]

Muslims came to Europe post-WWII as unskilled and uneducated laborers. European Muslims didn't assimilate because they were marginalized as a group from the beginning, basically treated as second class humans simply brought in to rebuild a war-torn continent. Generations became stuck in a brutal cycle of poverty and have become more susceptible to radicalism (gangs, terrorism, etc.). In principle, it's the same basic reason many black families are stuck in the cycle of poverty that's bred violence. Anyways, the worst thing we can do is marginalize our immigrants and refugees (regardless of ethnicity, religion, etc.), giving them no hope or reason to be a contributor to society.

Fortunately, the US has historically done a fantastic job compared to the world in integrating its immigrants, which is one reason why our Muslim population is MUCH less susceptible to radicalism than Muslims overseas. But if we end up taking the European route (and I fear that we will), we'll end up creating an underclass that can be set-up as breeding grounds for radical ideas. Approaching immigration and integration issues is more complicated than simply taking a look at race and religion.

I agree with this. The reason why Europe is faced with this issue today is that they couldn't have done a worse job assimilating various minority groups. Those minorities are packed into ghettos, they have no chance for meaningful employment, and they have no real hope of becoming part of the regular culture in Europe. Heck, European racism makes our racism look like a simple disagreement. Europe has fumbled the immigration question for years and I don't see them getting any better at it now.

I'm going to allow this.

Nice work gentlemen.

[Bronco]

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Put them in states that want them...they will be welcomed with open arms in Michigan, California or Minnesota
Worked out well with those peace loving Somalis in Minn.

Won't bother obama in the future unless they start camping on golf courses

[Bronco]

Clearly these Governors don't trust the Government to do this correctly. And they won't.

That being said, everyone is saying that the States can't block the refugees.

But I don't understand why we can't just put up a chunk of money to support them somewhere else.

They have been screening refugees from Syria for several years now - takes a long time. They are not letting just anyone in - it's been families, people with relatives already here, etc.


And we are paying to support the millions in refugee camps in Turkey, Jordan, etc. Those are breeding grounds for ISIS

When we're attacked it will be all on the dems and obama

[Pwns]

I agree with this. The reason why Europe is faced with this issue today is that they couldn't have done a worse job assimilating various minority groups. Those minorities are packed into ghettos, they have no chance for meaningful employment, and they have no real hope of becoming part of the regular culture in Europe. Heck, European racism makes our racism look like a simple disagreement. Europe has fumbled the immigration question for years and I don't see them getting any better at it now.

Of course, we pick and choose who we bring from the middle east much more than Europe does. Muslims are the most educated religious group in America because a lot of people we bring in from the middle east have advanced degrees.

The problem with unfiltered immigration is that no amount of social welfare can change culture or force assimilation. When you bring in large numbers of immigrants there will be many who will not assimilate no matter what kind of social welfare or opportunities that you give them.

You can make a comparison to parts of our black population even though they aren't technically immigrants. No amount of funding and social welfare is going to fix a lot of those broken school districts and neighborhoods. The fact that Europe is more committed to multiculturalism and social welfare policies tells me that if they can't assimilate a lot of these Arab immigrants neither could we.

[Ibanez]

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Put them in states that want them...they will be welcomed with open arms in Michigan, California or Minnesota
Worked out well with those peace loving Somalis in Minn.

Won't bother obama in the future unless they start camping on golf courses

Didn't the Governors of Michigan and Minnesota say the didn't want them?


Washington State said they'd accept refugees.

[Ivytalk]

I agree with this. The reason why Europe is faced with this issue today is that they couldn't have done a worse job assimilating various minority groups. Those minorities are packed into ghettos, they have no chance for meaningful employment, and they have no real hope of becoming part of the regular culture in Europe. Heck, European racism makes our racism look like a simple disagreement. Europe has fumbled the immigration question for years and I don't see them getting any better at it now.

Of course, we pick and choose who we bring from the middle east much more than Europe does. Muslims are the most educated religious group in America because a lot of people we bring in from the middle east have advanced degrees.

The problem with unfiltered immigration is that no amount of social welfare can change culture or force assimilation. When you bring in large numbers of immigrants there will be many who will not assimilate no matter what kind of social welfare or opportunities that you give them.

You can make a comparison to parts of our black population even though they aren't technically immigrants. No amount of funding and social welfare is going to fix a lot of those broken school districts and neighborhoods. The fact that Europe is more committed to multiculturalism and social welfare policies tells me that if they can't assimilate a lot of these Arab immigrants neither could we.

Agreed. And in the Disunited States of Obama, we're headed down that same road.

[CitadelGrad]

The Syrian refugee crisis in Europe is neither about Syrians nor refugees. The vast majority of the "refugees" are rather healthy looking single males between the ages of 16 and 40. A few of them are from Syria, but most are from various sub-Saharan African countries, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Arabic North Africa.

It is an Islamic invasion into the heart of Europe.

[kalm]

I agree with this. The reason why Europe is faced with this issue today is that they couldn't have done a worse job assimilating various minority groups. Those minorities are packed into ghettos, they have no chance for meaningful employment, and they have no real hope of becoming part of the regular culture in Europe. Heck, European racism makes our racism look like a simple disagreement. Europe has fumbled the immigration question for years and I don't see them getting any better at it now.

Of course, we pick and choose who we bring from the middle east much more than Europe does. Muslims are the most educated religious group in America because a lot of people we bring in from the middle east have advanced degrees.

The problem with unfiltered immigration is that no amount of social welfare can change culture or force assimilation. When you bring in large numbers of immigrants there will be many who will not assimilate no matter what kind of social welfare or opportunities that you give them.

You can make a comparison to parts of our black population even though they aren't technically immigrants. No amount of funding and social welfare is going to fix a lot of those broken school districts and neighborhoods. The fact that Europe is more committed to multiculturalism and social welfare policies tells me that if they can't assimilate a lot of these Arab immigrants neither could we.

I think you've both made strong points and so has Tripp.

If they don't want to be assimilated into our culture then fuck 'em.

By the same token, acts of kindness, and exposure to western style freedom could be very important tools in the war against Islam.

It's not as though there are not millions of 2nd and 1st generation middle east immigrants living in America who have already been assimilated and forgotten all about blowing things up.

Amirite, Tripp?

Unless you really think we can kill them all it might not be a bad idea to start thinking about these things.

[kalm]

The Syrian refugee crisis in Europe is neither about Syrians nor refugees. The vast majority of the "refugees" are rather healthy looking single males between the ages of 16 and 40. A few of them are from Syria, but most are from various sub-Saharan African countries, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Arabic North Africa.

It is an Islamic invasion into the heart of Europe.

Link?

[Cap'n Cat]

[dbackjon]

I mean it's cliche to say, but we only validate terrorism if we let fear overtake compassion. We can't let faceless assholes from a backward cult from halfway around the world take away our humanity.

Yes - Trip has it exactly right