Disarming the citizenry on pen stroke at a time

[hank scorpio]

Very well put Skjellyfetti!

[Appaholic]

Fair enough...

I'll give you Gandhi.

Care to try the Federalists?

I think the founders had the same intent as Gandhi-- providing a militia.

2nd amendment:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

What constitutes a well regulated militia?

A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss

-Alexander Hamilton, Federalist 29

Who controls the Militia?

Article One, Section 8 of Constitution:

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

So, in the Constitution... Militias are allowed, so people are allowed to bear arms... however... guess who is in charge of ARMING the militia (and therefore deciding what weapons the people can or cannot have)? Congress.




Look, Travelinman... I am a gun owner. I believe citizens of this country have the right to own guns. I don't think many gun control advocates want the complete confiscation of firearms... however, I think there should be limits on what private citizens can process. I think the Supreme Court is very clear that limits on guns are entirely Constitutional... even Scalia said the right to bear arms "is not unlimited." DC v. Heller maintained that restrictions on firearms are entirely Constitutional.

So, I believe citizens have a right to own guns and that the government can place restrictions on ownership of guns. Do you believe differently... that citizens have a right to won guns and that government CAN'T place restrictions of any kind of firearms?

Dam TMan....this little whippersnapper is handing you your ass......

[Pwns]

Is there any cogent argument against allowing pilots with firearms training to carry guns on board, or would people feel better with more intrusive and time-consuming security?

[Appaholic]

Is there any cogent argument against allowing pilots with firearms training to carry guns on board, or would people feel better with more intrusive and time-consuming security?

There is no valid argument.....especially when you consider the undercover agents for TSA who arfe allowed to carry weapons on board.

[dbackjon]

Is there any cogent argument against allowing pilots with firearms training to carry guns on board, or would people feel better with more intrusive and time-consuming security?

It is really not an either or. No problem with extensively trained pilots having weapons.

However, a gun would not have stopped the shoe bomber (had he been successful).

[Skjellyfetti]

I'll gladly match you one for one...

Did you change your mind?






...like shooting fish in a barrel...

[travelinman67]

I'll gladly match you one for one...

Did you change your mind?

...like shooting fish in a barrel...

Earth to Slowfetti...

...are you reading impaired?

These issues were asked/answered in District of Columbia v Heller....

...last summer...

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

...your interpretation is in your mind...

Here's the definitive document on this issue...

http://www.abanet.org/publiced/preview/ ... ofsnew.pdf




...don't swim so slow, Salmonfetti...

[Skjellyfetti]

Did you change your mind?

...like shooting fish in a barrel...

Earth to Slowfetti...

...are you reading impaired?

These issues were asked/answered in District of Columbia v Heller....

...last summer...

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

...your interpretation is in your mind...

Here's the definitive document on this issue...

http://www.abanet.org/publiced/preview/ ... ofsnew.pdf




...don't swim so slow, Salmonfetti...

And I addressed Heller in my post... SCOTUS believes in the personal rights of citizens to own firearms... and even Scalia ( ) believes that restrictions on firearms are constitutional..............

Like most rights, the Second Amendment is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.

Salmonfetti... that is a new one... props to you.