About that Bailout...

[YoUDeeMan]

Not true, internees were treated quite well there, I have spoken to many. They did however, hoard the Nazi money they stole from Jews.

Yes, true.

I have one great uncle who was interned there - the foul treatment of our airmen in Switzerland is well documented- and there were many who fared well

I'm not sure who stuttering jjoey52 is, but he is way off on this one.


"Once in the custody of the Swiss government, American airmen were considered “internees.” Internees are treated almost identically to POWs under the laws of war, excepting that by definition an internee is held in a neutral state. Some other US soldiers entered Switzerland by foot, for which they earned the status of “evadee.” Evadees were not kept in camps, and could come and go as they pleased. Internees, on the other hand, were usually restricted to a specific area and kept under guard. The Swiss were determined to adhere strictly to the rules governing internees, largely because they were under constant threat of invasion by the German Army. Any hint of impartiality toward the Allies could have incurred dire consequences for a state that professed neutrality, particularly one surrounded completely by the Axis. USAAF personnel caught attempting escape were punished severely, sometimes well beyond the limits stipulated in the laws of war. The Swiss government’s policy toward neutrality was clearly illustrated by the fact that some USAAF bombers attempting to land in Switzerland were attacked by Swiss fighters and anti-aircraft weapons.

After landing in Switzerland, interned crewmembers were typically interrogated and then quarantined for a short period before movement to a permanent internment camp. The first permanent internment facility was established at Adelboden, and others soon followed in Wengen and Davos. Several “punishment” or concentration camps were also established to house internees undergoing disciplinary punishment, normally for attempting escape. These camps included Straflager Wauwilermoos, Hünenburg, Les Diablerets and Greppen. Wauwilermoos was the most notorious of the punishment camps, due to deplorable camp conditions and a fanatical Swiss Army commander. Incarceration in such facilities grew dramatically after the Allied invasion of France, mainly because of the increased prospect of escape to Allied lines."

https://www.quora.com/What-were-the-con ... during-WW2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Jjoey52]

I stand corrected, the ones I spoke with were evadees. I knew a guy who hid out in France for 6 months during occupation, all he did was bitch about the soft lives the guys in Switzerland had.

[Chizzang]

Average Salary in the US -51% below Switzerland
Mortgage Interest Rate in Percentages (%), Yearly 124% Lower in the US than Switzerland
Consumer Prices in United States are 39.47% lower than in Switzerland
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United States are 36.73% lower than in Switzerland
Rent Prices in United States are 30.19% lower than in Switzerland
Restaurant Prices in United States are 41.81% lower than in Switzerland
Groceries Prices in United States are 38.26% lower than in Switzerland
Local Purchasing Power in United States is 31.38% lower than in Switzerland



Sounds like Paradise

Link?

There are about a dozen sites that provide data you slouch
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/co ... ted+States" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Baldy]

Not true, internees were treated quite well there, I have spoken to many. They did however, hoard the Nazi money they stole from Jews.

My point is:
Switzerland is a millionaires club more than a free country
and comparing its corporate tax structure to America (See: Baldy) is ridiculous

Whoa there Skippy...

We have seen all kinds of complaints on this forum on how the US lags behind other OECD countries in certain aspects. Now comparing one OECD country's corporate tax rate to another OECD country's corporate tax rate is all of the sudden somehow ridiculous.

Your "millionaires club" argument would have more merit (maybe) if we were talking about individual income tax rates. In this comparison, we're talking about corporate income taxes. Though there are some differences, the corporate structure in Switzerland isn't that much different than the US.

Tell you what...
Since you feel the comparison to Switzerland was so off base, let's compare the US corporate tax rate of 35% to Canada at 15%. Does that make you feel better, or is that ridiculous in some way as well?

[Chizzang]

My point is:
Switzerland is a millionaires club more than a free country
and comparing its corporate tax structure to America (See: Baldy) is ridiculous

Whoa there Skippy...

We have seen all kinds of complaints on this forum on how the US lags behind other OECD countries in certain aspects. Now comparing one OECD country's corporate tax rate to another OECD country's corporate tax rate is all of the sudden somehow ridiculous.

Your "millionaires club" argument would have more merit (maybe) if we were talking about individual income tax rates. In this comparison, we're talking about corporate income taxes. Though there are some differences, the corporate structure in Switzerland isn't that much different than the US.

Tell you what...
Since you feel the comparison to Switzerland was so off base, let's compare the US corporate tax rate of 35% to Canada at 15%. Does that make you feel better, or is that ridiculous in some way as well?

Hilarious comparison also
Isn't Canada a Socialist Country with publicly funded universities and what not..?
What next China comparisons

The America Tax structure should be measured by what is best for America
a concept foreign now to most Americans

Q: What's best for America..?
Not, what's best for America compared to Sweden or Switzerland



Sometimes I give you too much credit Sr. Baldness

[kalm]

Whoa there Skippy...

We have seen all kinds of complaints on this forum on how the US lags behind other OECD countries in certain aspects. Now comparing one OECD country's corporate tax rate to another OECD country's corporate tax rate is all of the sudden somehow ridiculous.

Your "millionaires club" argument would have more merit (maybe) if we were talking about individual income tax rates. In this comparison, we're talking about corporate income taxes. Though there are some differences, the corporate structure in Switzerland isn't that much different than the US.

Tell you what...
Since you feel the comparison to Switzerland was so off base, let's compare the US corporate tax rate of 35% to Canada at 15%. Does that make you feel better, or is that ridiculous in some way as well?

Hilarious comparison also
Isn't Canada a Socialist Country with publicly funded universities and what not..?
What next China comparisons

The America Tax structure should be measured by what is best for America
a concept foreign now to most Americans

Q: What's best for America..?
Not, what's best for America compared to Sweden or Switzerland



Sometimes I give you too much credit Sr. Baldness

Socialism must be real cheap in Canada.

[Chizzang]

Hilarious comparison also
Isn't Canada a Socialist Country with publicly funded universities and what not..?
What next China comparisons

The America Tax structure should be measured by what is best for America
a concept foreign now to most Americans

Q: What's best for America..?
Not, what's best for America compared to Sweden or Switzerland



Sometimes I give you too much credit Sr. Baldness

Socialism must be real cheap in Canada.

Its misleading and mostly irrelevant to cherry pick various "hot-spot" statistics
in order to strengthen an argument that has no relevance to the American System

Example:
Like when Bernie Sanders team claims Exxon-Mobil paid no taxes in 2014
It's misleading as hell

People then start arguing that Giant Corporations in America play no taxes
and Baldy then says they pay too much in taxes



The truth lies elsewhere my friend

[kalm]

Socialism must be real cheap in Canada.

Its misleading and mostly irrelevant to cherry pick various "hot-spot" statistics
in order to strengthen an argument that has no relevance to the American System

Example:
Like when Bernie Sanders team claims Exxon-Mobil paid no taxes in 2014
It's misleading as hell

People then start arguing that Giant Corporations in America play no taxes
and Baldy then says they pay too much in taxes



The truth lies elsewhere my friend

What? You mean there's more to it than basic tax rates? Next you're going to tell me some countries can't print their own money or that sovereign debt is negotiable!

[Baldy]

Whoa there Skippy...

We have seen all kinds of complaints on this forum on how the US lags behind other OECD countries in certain aspects. Now comparing one OECD country's corporate tax rate to another OECD country's corporate tax rate is all of the sudden somehow ridiculous.

Your "millionaires club" argument would have more merit (maybe) if we were talking about individual income tax rates. In this comparison, we're talking about corporate income taxes. Though there are some differences, the corporate structure in Switzerland isn't that much different than the US.

Tell you what...
Since you feel the comparison to Switzerland was so off base, let's compare the US corporate tax rate of 35% to Canada at 15%. Does that make you feel better, or is that ridiculous in some way as well?

Hilarious comparison also
Isn't Canada a Socialist Country with publicly funded universities and what not..?
What next China comparisons

The America Tax structure should be measured by what is best for America
a concept foreign now to most Americans

Q: What's best for America..?
Not, what's best for America compared to Sweden or Switzerland



Sometimes I give you too much credit Sr. Baldness

Oh to hear some people say (I'm looking at you, Cleetorus) the US is the only OECD or civilized country to not have single payer health care, or the only one to use the death penalty, or has the highest incarceration rates, or has the highest infant mortality rates, etc etc etc.

Then when the statistics are not in their favor those same people say, "The America Tax structure should be measured by what is best for America. Not, what's best for America compared to Sweden or Switzerland"

Really?

[Baldy]

Socialism must be real cheap in Canada.

Its misleading and mostly irrelevant to cherry pick various "hot-spot" statistics
in order to strengthen an argument that has no relevance to the American System

Example:
Like when Bernie Sanders team claims Exxon-Mobil paid no taxes in 2014
It's misleading as hell

People then start arguing that Giant Corporations in America play no taxes
and Baldy then says they pay too much in taxes



The truth lies elsewhere my friend

No relevance to the American system?
Seriously?

Pfizer, Actavis, Forest Labs, Apple, Ingersol-Rand, Pricewaterhouse, Herbalife, Tyco, Chiquita Brands, and countless more have moved their headquarters, sold, or moved significant parts of their business overseas to escape US corporate tax structure.

Please...pretty please, tell me how in the hell does that have "no relevance to the American System"?

My God Clitz, you are struggling today.

[AZGrizFan]

Hilarious comparison also
Isn't Canada a Socialist Country with publicly funded universities and what not..?
What next China comparisons

The America Tax structure should be measured by what is best for America
a concept foreign now to most Americans

Q: What's best for America..?
Not, what's best for America compared to Sweden or Switzerland



Sometimes I give you too much credit Sr. Baldness

Oh to hear some people say (I'm looking at you, Cleetorus) the US is the only OECD or civilized country to not have single payer health care, or the only one to use the death penalty, or has the highest incarceration rates, or has the highest infant mortality rates, etc etc etc.

Then when the statistics are not in their favor those same people say, "The America Tax structure should be measured by what is best for America. Not, what's best for America compared to Sweden or Switzerland"

Really?

[Chizzang]

Hilarious comparison also
Isn't Canada a Socialist Country with publicly funded universities and what not..?
What next China comparisons

The America Tax structure should be measured by what is best for America
a concept foreign now to most Americans

Q: What's best for America..?
Not, what's best for America compared to Sweden or Switzerland



Sometimes I give you too much credit Sr. Baldness

Oh to hear some people say (I'm looking at you, Cleetorus) the US is the only OECD or civilized country to not have single payer health care, or the only one to use the death penalty, or has the highest incarceration rates, or has the highest infant mortality rates, etc etc etc.

Then when the statistics are not in their favor those same people say, "The America Tax structure should be measured by what is best for America. Not, what's best for America compared to Sweden or Switzerland"

Really?

Okay first of all:
When did I EVER say I cared about anything ^ you say up there
and are using as some kind of "point"

Death penalty..?
Infant death rates ..?
Last time I checked I was PRO ABORTION
High incarceration rates..?

None of that sh!t means anything to me and is again meaningless

[Chizzang]

Its misleading and mostly irrelevant to cherry pick various "hot-spot" statistics
in order to strengthen an argument that has no relevance to the American System

Example:
Like when Bernie Sanders team claims Exxon-Mobil paid no taxes in 2014
It's misleading as hell

People then start arguing that Giant Corporations in America play no taxes
and Baldy then says they pay too much in taxes



The truth lies elsewhere my friend

No relevance to the American system?
Seriously?

Pfizer, Actavis, Forest Labs, Apple, Ingersol-Rand, Pricewaterhouse, Herbalife, Tyco, Chiquita Brands, and countless more have moved their headquarters, sold, or moved significant parts of their business overseas to escape US corporate tax structure.

Please...pretty please, tell me how in the hell does that have "no relevance to the American System"?

My God Clitz, you are struggling today.

Oh I am well aware of the mass exodus
Just like Boeing leaving Washington and going to South Carolina
all terrible news for Washington State

Except its NOT

All that sh!t comes home to roost
Washington is actually doing BETTER after Boeing has started moving out (IMAGINE THAT..!!!)
and economically one of the strongest states in the union - without question
and soon without Boeing (Good Luck South Carolina be careful what you wish for)

And all these US based companies fleeing to over seas countries
So what - quite literally SO WHAT

So that the top 4 employees and the Board can take larger bonuses
on money that would never be put back into the economy in the first place

Really Baldy - I say to your mass exodus - Good by and farewell - don't let the door hit you



I repeat:
There's nothing wrong with the US tax system
its mostly just a talking point used to induce needless rage
We have a government that spends too much
The Tax System is fine - and I've always said that

[Baldy]

Oh to hear some people say (I'm looking at you, Cleetorus) the US is the only OECD or civilized country to not have single payer health care, or the only one to use the death penalty, or has the highest incarceration rates, or has the highest infant mortality rates, etc etc etc.

Then when the statistics are not in their favor those same people say, "The America Tax structure should be measured by what is best for America. Not, what's best for America compared to Sweden or Switzerland"

Really?

Okay first of all:
When did I EVER say I cared about anything ^ you say up there
and are using as some kind of "point"

Death penalty..?
Infant death rates ..?
Last time I checked I was PRO ABORTION
High incarceration rates..?

None of that sh!t means anything to me and is again meaningless

Complete with a graph.
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... CD#p922891

[Chizzang]

Okay first of all:
When did I EVER say I cared about anything ^ you say up there
and are using as some kind of "point"

Death penalty..?
Infant death rates ..?
Last time I checked I was PRO ABORTION
High incarceration rates..?

None of that sh!t means anything to me and is again meaningless

Complete with a graph.
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... CD#p922891

That's a Marijuana thread... Nice try
and if you read my post I'm saying we're NOT the most violent



And I still don't give a fuck - I don't live in your sh!thole state

[Baldy]

No relevance to the American system?
Seriously?

Pfizer, Actavis, Forest Labs, Apple, Ingersol-Rand, Pricewaterhouse, Herbalife, Tyco, Chiquita Brands, and countless more have moved their headquarters, sold, or moved significant parts of their business overseas to escape US corporate tax structure.

Please...pretty please, tell me how in the hell does that have "no relevance to the American System"?

My God Clitz, you are struggling today.

Oh I am well aware of the mass exodus
Just like Boeing leaving Washington and going to South Carolina
all terrible news for Washington State

Except its NOT

All that sh!t comes home to roost
Washington is actually doing BETTER after Boeing has started moving out (IMAGINE THAT..!!!)
and economically one of the strongest states in the union - without question
and soon without Boeing (Good Luck South Carolina be careful what you wish for)

And all these US based companies fleeing to over seas countries
So what - quite literally SO WHAT

So that the top 4 employees and the Board can take larger bonuses
on money that would never be put back into the economy in the first place

Really Baldy - I say to your mass exodus - Good by and farewell - don't let the door hit you



I repeat:
There's nothing wrong with the US tax system
its mostly just a talking point used to induce needless rage
We have a government that spends too much
The Tax System is fine - and I've always said that

Nice rant, but that isn't the point.

You said I was "cherry picking" and using irrelevant data about our corporate tax rates when it isn't relevant to our system.

I simply called you out on your bullshit because when American corporations leave our shores for those other countries, it's very fucking relevant.

[Chizzang]

Oh I am well aware of the mass exodus
Just like Boeing leaving Washington and going to South Carolina
all terrible news for Washington State

Except its NOT

All that sh!t comes home to roost
Washington is actually doing BETTER after Boeing has started moving out (IMAGINE THAT..!!!)
and economically one of the strongest states in the union - without question
and soon without Boeing (Good Luck South Carolina be careful what you wish for)

And all these US based companies fleeing to over seas countries
So what - quite literally SO WHAT

So that the top 4 employees and the Board can take larger bonuses
on money that would never be put back into the economy in the first place

Really Baldy - I say to your mass exodus - Good by and farewell - don't let the door hit you



I repeat:
There's nothing wrong with the US tax system
its mostly just a talking point used to induce needless rage
We have a government that spends too much
The Tax System is fine - and I've always said that

Nice rant, but that isn't the point.

You said I was "cherry picking" and using irrelevant data about our corporate tax rates when it isn't relevant to our system.

I simply called you out on your bullshit because when American corporations leave our shores for those other countries, it's very fucking relevant.

No its not... It's relevant to the 4 guys who get bonus money
otherwise it's not
I might argue it's actually good

[Baldy]

Complete with a graph.
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... CD#p922891

That's a Marijuana thread... Nice try
and if you read my post I'm saying we're NOT the most violent



And I still don't give a fuck - I don't live in your sh!thole state

It could be a thread about picking boogers, it doesn't matter.

So you didn't "cherry pick" data comparing the US to other OECD countries and insert it into that thread?

[Chizzang]

That's a Marijuana thread... Nice try
and if you read my post I'm saying we're NOT the most violent



And I still don't give a fuck - I don't live in your sh!thole state

It could be a thread about picking boogers, it doesn't matter.

So you didn't "cherry pick" data comparing the US to other OECD countries and insert it into that thread?

When do you move overseas to evade our horrid system Baldy..?
I'm looking forward to you telling us all about the excellence of it

[Baldy]

Nice rant, but that isn't the point.

You said I was "cherry picking" and using irrelevant data about our corporate tax rates when it isn't relevant to our system.

I simply called you out on your bullshit because when American corporations leave our shores for those other countries, it's very fucking relevant.

No its not... It's relevant to the 4 guys who get bonus money
otherwise it's not
I might argue it's actually good

Only to the 4 guys who get bonus money?

Not to the thousands of people who lose their jobs?
Not to the local and state governments who lose tax revenue when they leave?
Not the the US Treasury which is who these people are running away from?

Take a break Cleets...you're losing it.

[Baldy]

It could be a thread about picking boogers, it doesn't matter.

So you didn't "cherry pick" data comparing the US to other OECD countries and insert it into that thread?

When do you move overseas to evade our horrid system Baldy..?
I'm looking forward to you telling us all about the excellence of it

Me? I'm not a corporation who employs thousands of people.

Put the shovel down before you hurt yourself.

[Chizzang]

No its not... It's relevant to the 4 guys who get bonus money
otherwise it's not
I might argue it's actually good

Only to the 4 guys who get bonus money?

Not to the thousands of people who lose their jobs?
Not to the local and state governments who lose tax revenue when they leave?
Not the the US Treasury which is who these people are running away from?

Take a break Cleets...you're losing it.

It's funny how you imply THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of lost jobs
Because they "moved their Headquarters"

Really Apple..?
and Ingersol-Rand
and all these major companies who are hiring in the US right now
So what exactly are we losing exactly - not vaguely with implication - but EXACTLY
So Apple is now an overseas company


Educate me Baldy

[kalm]

No its not... It's relevant to the 4 guys who get bonus money
otherwise it's not
I might argue it's actually good

Only to the 4 guys who get bonus money?

Not to the thousands of people who lose their jobs?
Not to the local and state governments who lose tax revenue when they leave?
Not the the US Treasury which is who these people are running away from?

Take a break Cleets...you're losing it.

Baldy the fair trade populist!



Take a break, son. You're getting it handed to you like a Joltin Joe in an abortion thread.

[Chizzang]

Sure Apple is evading $60 billion in taxes
and Microsoft something like $100 Million
Both are hiring as fast as they can... they can't even fill their job needs

but:
http://www.itep.org/itep_reports/2014/0 ... qvlwSMrKUk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

does it really matter..?
Its a tax loophole = so what - it benefits only the wealthiest



and here
http://www.ctj.org/corporatetaxdodgers/ ... ptaxes.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Let the statistical cherry picking begin

[kalm]