Court declares NC Congressional Districts UNCONSTITUTIONAL

[dbackjon]

They are slanted to pack as many blacks into two districts, leaving the other districts minority (and Democratic) free. Done by the GOP to suppress Democratic Vote

and newsflash - this is what the post/court ruling was about.

That isnt what I asked you, Jon-

so let me ask again in a different way:

Since NC is one of the most gerrymandered states, would you support redistricting along population lines?

NC is gerrymandered because the districts were drawn by people who think like you, so you can't be against gerrymandering if you are looking to manipulate outcomes in favor of black citizens.

NO, the districts were NOT drawn by people who think like me. They were drawn by the GOP who were trying to minimize Democratic representation in the House, by cramming all the black voters into two districts. This is the OPPOSITE of what you are accusing, cupcake.

[dbackjon]

This should be the way it is done in every state.

Every census the numbers (without any accompanying demographic data on age, sex, race, class, income, etc.) should be entered into a GIS and districts are spit out based solely on the distribution of people.

It should also take into account physical boundaries, when possible (ie minimizing splitting up cities, etc whenever possible.

[89Hen]

Maryland's third district, drawn by Dems under the guise of a referendum that was worded:

Establishes the boundaries for the State’s eight United States Congressional Districts based on recent census figures, as required by the United States Constitution.

[AZGrizFan]

That isnt what I asked you, Jon-

so let me ask again in a different way:

Since NC is one of the most gerrymandered states, would you support redistricting along population lines?

NC is gerrymandered because the districts were drawn by people who think like you, so you can't be against gerrymandering if you are looking to manipulate outcomes in favor of black citizens.

NO, the districts were NOT drawn by people who think like me. They were drawn by the GOP who were trying to minimize Democratic representation in the House, by cramming all the black voters into two districts. This is the OPPOSITE of what you are accusing, cupcake.

North Carolina is 77% white. If they didn't draw districts that way it's highly likely there would be NO democratic representation in the House. Be careful what you ask for.

[andy7171]

NO, the districts were NOT drawn by people who think like me. They were drawn by the GOP who were trying to minimize Democratic representation in the House, by cramming all the black voters into two districts. This is the OPPOSITE of what you are accusing, cupcake.

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[TheDancinMonarch]

NO, the districts were NOT drawn by people who think like me. They were drawn by the GOP who were trying to minimize Democratic representation in the House, by cramming all the black voters into two districts. This is the OPPOSITE of what you are accusing, cupcake.

North Carolina 12, the infamous I-85 district, was created after the 1990 census by a legislature that was dominated by Democrats. I'm pretty sure that Democrats also controlled the redistricting after the 2000 census. When the Republicans gained control of the legislature and the governorship and had their shot at it in 2010 they just tweaked it further to their advantage. It is important to note that in NC the Republicans took the districts the Democrats gave them and captured control of the legislature. Democrats would be much better served if they just stopped whining and presented something to the voters of NC that might put them back in control of the process. I believe that is how it is supposed to be done. And just for the record I think that both sides are equally venal.

[CID1990]

That isnt what I asked you, Jon-

so let me ask again in a different way:

Since NC is one of the most gerrymandered states, would you support redistricting along population lines?

NC is gerrymandered because the districts were drawn by people who think like you, so you can't be against gerrymandering if you are looking to manipulate outcomes in favor of black citizens.

NO, the districts were NOT drawn by people who think like me. They were drawn by the GOP who were trying to minimize Democratic representation in the House, by cramming all the black voters into two districts. This is the OPPOSITE of what you are accusing, cupcake.

Wrong as usual, Jon.

NC has long been a Democratic state- both when it was dixiecrat and even now. When the current districts were drawn I was a kid and they were drawn explicitly to ensure the black franchise. All you need to do is look at the map, but you're conveniently ignoring that.

Or, maybe you think there are scads of rich white people living along I-85.

The GOP has tried to make some small redistricting and that probably does affect the liberal voting bloc- but NC has been skewed for a long time in the opposite direction.

If Dems had gerrymandered them even more you'd be saying absolutely nothing because you don't really care about the fairness you espouse- you just like seeing districts gerrymandered in a way that guarantees electoral outcomes you agree with. So in a way you have answered my question anyway- you are a proponent of gerrymandering to manipulate outcomes.

[Skjellyfetti]

North Carolina is 77% white. If they didn't draw districts that way it's highly likely there would be NO democratic representation in the House. Be careful what you ask for.

Wrong.

In 2012, Republicans won 9 of 13 House seats in North Carolina.

Democrats won 51% of the overall vote in House elections.

So, with 51% of the overall vote in the state, Democrats won 23% of the seats.

THAT'S how gerrymandering works.

Their votes were simply concentrated in heavily "Democratic" (read: black) districts.

(Democrats won the 1st District, the 4th District, and the 12th district with over 75% of the vote. Most of the districts Republicans won were in the 50s. Without the black vote being concentrated, the House split would have been closer to the 50/50 split of the actual vote. )

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[Skjellyfetti]

And, yes. Democrats do it too.

Illinois and Maryland are gerrymandered in favor of Democrats.

I would be thrilled for it to be eliminated EVERYWHERE.

[AshevilleApp]

I think the majority of people would agree that there needs to be some sort of non-partisan or bi-partisan group to do this every ten years. I think Iowa may have one.

As ASUG8 pointed out, when he lived in the 12th, his vote for the House really didn't matter. If you look at the 10th today, notice the bulge west. That came about after the latest round of redistricting. What it did was create two safe Republican seats, by encroaching enough in Buncombe County to split Asheville in half. We used to be in the 11th (at least those who live on my side of the river), which was always a tightly contested race. There certainly weren't really liberal Democrats winning it. Heath Shuler (the great fence sitter) was the last.

[CID1990]

And, yes. Democrats do it too.

Illinois and Maryland are gerrymandered in favor of Democrats.

I would be thrilled for it to be eliminated EVERYWHERE.

If that happened the only Democratic spots in NC would be Charlotte, Asheville, and the Dirty Durham.

[DSUrocks07]

And, yes. Democrats do it too.

Illinois and Maryland are gerrymandered in favor of Democrats.

I would be thrilled for it to be eliminated EVERYWHERE.

If that happened the only Democratic spots in NC would be Charlotte, Asheville, and the Dirty Durham.

So they would go from 4 seats to 3.

[ASUG8]

Since 1900, a Republican has been governor for a total of 15 years in NC. With the influx of northeasterners to the state I expect that trend to continue despite NC currently having McCrory (R) currently in office.

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[AshevilleApp]

And, yes. Democrats do it too.

Illinois and Maryland are gerrymandered in favor of Democrats.

I would be thrilled for it to be eliminated EVERYWHERE.

If that happened the only Democratic spots in NC would be Charlotte, Asheville, and the Dirty Durham.

Greensboro/Winston Salem/High Point? Wilmington?

[Ibanez]

If that happened the only Democratic spots in NC would be Charlotte, Asheville, and the Dirty Durham.

Greensboro/Winston Salem/High Point? Wilmington?

I was just asking about Wilmington. That city is the Portland of the East.

[93henfan]

Greensboro/Winston Salem/High Point? Wilmington?

I was just asking about Wilmington. That city is the Portland of the East.

That must be why two of my high school classmates and my ex brother-in-law live there. Lots of surfing and lots of weed in that trio.

[Grizalltheway]

Greensboro/Winston Salem/High Point? Wilmington?

I was just asking about Wilmington. That city is the Portland of the East.

I thought Portland was the Portland of the east?

[Ibanez]

I was just asking about Wilmington. That city is the Portland of the East.

I thought Portland was the Portland of the east?

You thought wrong. Wilmington (and Asheville) are two of the most granola, hippy, Liberal cities in the South.

[Grizalltheway]

I thought Portland was the Portland of the east?

You thought wrong. Wilmington (and Asheville) are two of the most granola, hippy, Liberal cities in the South.

But what about the north?

[Ibanez]

You thought wrong. Wilmington (and Asheville) are two of the most granola, hippy, Liberal cities in the South.

But what about the north?

I don't live in the North so I couldn't tell you. Probably some place in Vermont, Maine or New Hampshire.

[Ibanez]

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I think dal wrote the content on this website.

[ASUG8]

http://www.hippy.com/havens2.htm#ny

I think dal wrote that content on this website.

I call bullshit on the NC towns. Especially the last one, which he misspelled.

[Ibanez]

http://www.hippy.com/havens2.htm#ny

I think dal wrote that content on this website.

I call bullshit on the NC towns. Especially the last one, which he misspelled.

I'm not familiar with Waynesville, but Asheville? Asheville is hippy. 100%.

Read his Charleston entry...it's terrible. There are hippies here, sure, but this isn't a hippy town. It's more Preppy/Hey Bo than anything else.

[ASUG8]

I call bullshit on the NC towns. Especially the last one, which he misspelled.

I'm not familiar with Waynesville, but Asheville? Asheville is hippy. 100%.

Read his Charleston entry...it's terrible. There are hippies here, sure, but this isn't a hippy town. It's more Preppy/Hey Bo than anything else.

It's where I grew up, so I'm not sure what the hell he's talking about. Asheville he's dead on, and to a lesser degree Boone, but Wilmington should be a solid #2 or #3.

[Ibanez]

I'm not familiar with Waynesville, but Asheville? Asheville is hippy. 100%.

Read his Charleston entry...it's terrible. There are hippies here, sure, but this isn't a hippy town. It's more Preppy/Hey Bo than anything else.

It's where I grew up, so I'm not sure what the hell he's talking about. Asheville he's dead on, and to a lesser degree Boone, but Wilmington should be a solid #2 or #3.

Wilmington for sure.