FBI vs. Apple

[Skjellyfetti]

The unknown third party is probably some Iranian Ph.D.

Or a group of pimple faced Russian 'hackerz' trying to milk the government.

And, the FBI is putting this story out there to change the story: 'we can get in if we want to!' Yeah... right. They'd be in if they wanted.

[Ibanez]

That's the problem. You set a precedent when you unlock this one door.

It's not even that it unlocks a door.

There's no door to unlock. Apple stopped saving the encryption keys so that if the government came for them they wouldn't have anything to give. The encryption keys are the door... but, there is no door anymore.

The FBI wants Apple to install software via an update that can allow a bypass of the encryption. The FBI, of course, says this will only be used in limited circumstances. But, if software exists on the phone that can bypass the encryption, then it can be hacked.

And, as for the article PWNS posted - I'll believe it when I see it. If a third party has a way around the encryption, the story is over. I doubt it, though. Nothing leads to believe it's credible.

I find it very odd (and unlikely) that with all of its resources that the FBI can't access a phone. The technology and tools that exists in the Federal LE arsenal is incredible.

[Skjellyfetti]

That's the beauty of encryption.

[SDHornet]

That's the problem. You set a precedent when you unlock this one door.

It's not even that it unlocks a door.

There's no door to unlock. Apple stopped saving the encryption keys so that if the government came for them they wouldn't have anything to give. The encryption keys are the door... but, there is no door anymore.

The FBI wants Apple to install software via an update that can allow a bypass of the encryption. The FBI, of course, says this will only be used in limited circumstances. But, if software exists on the phone that can bypass the encryption, then it can be hacked.

And, as for the article PWNS posted - I'll believe it when I see it. If a third party has a way around the encryption, the story is over. I doubt it, though. Nothing leads to believe it's credible.

This. If the FBI had an in to the phone, this whole thing never makes the news. Why kick up a dust storm if you don't need to?

[CAA Flagship]

They're in.

FBI gets into iPhone of San Bernardino attacker

Los Angeles (AFP) - The FBI has managed to unlock the iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino attackers, officials said Monday, ending a contentious court case with Apple.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-gets-iph ... 38389.html

[BDKJMU]

Well, looks like Apple's marketing about the Iphone being secure was a crock..

".."Although this averts the possibility of a further court decision that imperils Apple, it makes it clear that there is a security flaw in that generation of the OS," said Joshua Rich, a partner at Chicago-based law firm McDonnell Boehnen Hulbert & Berghoff. "Apple now will have to try to pinpoint the flaw and fix it -- most likely, without much help from the US government in showing how it got in. So while this resolution averts a crisis, it means Apple has more work to do."...."
http://www.cnet.com/news/feds-unlock-ip ... eed-apple/

Yeah, if Apple now goes to the FBI wanting to now how they got in if I were the FBI I would tell Apple to fuck off.

[BDKJMU]

Tim Cook's logic just doesn't make any sense. You're saying the government can't get access to information on a phone that belonged to someone who has already committed a crime? You don't have to give the government the master key, just unlock this one door.

I don't buy for one second that Apple is making this stand on principle, either.

I think what Apple is saying is that the "master key" does not exist right now, and that they cannot guarantee the future security of the master key once it is created. That includes people within Apple and within law enforcement. And that security is the lifeblood of their business.

It seems that the system Apple set up (passcode) was created with the convenience of Apple involved. Almost every other passcode that is used is known to the company that controls the data the consumer is trying to access (websites, atm cards, safes, answering machines, etc.). Apple clearly did not want to be in the business of issuing/managing the passcodes and left it in the hands of the consumer.

Well hind sight is 20-20, but if Apple had built the key they would have at least have had possession of it. Now the FBI has possession of it. In that sense it backfired on Apple..

On the other hand, the FBI just exposed a security flaw in Apple's I-Phone OS. So in that sense guess could be doing Apple a favr (although Apple doesn't know what the flaw is and won't unless the FBI (or whomever the FBI hired to hack it) tells them.

[BDKJMU]

That's the problem. You set a precedent when you unlock this one door.

It's not even that it unlocks a door.

There's no door to unlock. Apple stopped saving the encryption keys so that if the government came for them they wouldn't have anything to give. The encryption keys are the door... but, there is no door anymore.

The FBI wants Apple to install software via an update that can allow a bypass of the encryption. The FBI, of course, says this will only be used in limited circumstances. But, if software exists on the phone that can bypass the encryption, then it can be hacked.

And, as for the article PWNS posted - I'll believe it when I see it. If a third party has a way around the encryption, the story is over. I doubt it, though. Nothing leads to believe it's credible.

[Pwns]

Oh well, won't change the opinion of Apple cultists who would buy a paper toaster if it had an Apple logo on it.

[CAA Flagship]

Remember, that phone was a 5, and not a 6. This will push people to upgrade to 6's. Apple wins.

[BDKJMU]

Remember, that phone was a 5, and not a 6. This will push people to upgrade to 6's. Apple wins.

Is that the same OS & encryption technology though?

[Ibanez]

It's not even that it unlocks a door.

There's no door to unlock. Apple stopped saving the encryption keys so that if the government came for them they wouldn't have anything to give. The encryption keys are the door... but, there is no door anymore.

The FBI wants Apple to install software via an update that can allow a bypass of the encryption. The FBI, of course, says this will only be used in limited circumstances. But, if software exists on the phone that can bypass the encryption, then it can be hacked.

And, as for the article PWNS posted - I'll believe it when I see it. If a third party has a way around the encryption, the story is over. I doubt it, though. Nothing leads to believe it's credible.

I find it very odd (and unlikely) that with all of its resources that the FBI can't access a phone. The technology and tools that exists in the Federal LE arsenal is incredible.

Bump.

[DSUrocks07]

I think what Apple is saying is that the "master key" does not exist right now, and that they cannot guarantee the future security of the master key once it is created. That includes people within Apple and within law enforcement. And that security is the lifeblood of their business.

It seems that the system Apple set up (passcode) was created with the convenience of Apple involved. Almost every other passcode that is used is known to the company that controls the data the consumer is trying to access (websites, atm cards, safes, answering machines, etc.). Apple clearly did not want to be in the business of issuing/managing the passcodes and left it in the hands of the consumer.

Well hind sight is 20-20, but if Apple had built the key they would have at least have had possession of it. Now the FBI has possession of it. In that sense it backfired on Apple..

On the other hand, the FBI just exposed a security flaw in Apple's I-Phone OS. So in that sense guess could be doing Apple a favr (although Apple doesn't know what the flaw is and won't unless the FBI (or whomever the FBI hired to hack it) tells them.

Ehh... not so much.

This way Apple did not compromise its own product, the federal government did, it's just not all that popular to begin with.

Not to mention it's a constant online theme that the NSA is constantly checking your information, G-men are snooping through our personal lives, "Big Brother is watching" and so forth.

The last thing Apple wants to do, or any self-respecting technology company for that matter, is to show that they are:

A) intimidated by the government (of any country, including the US)
B) put out this idea that they secretly have a way of accessing all your information as well.

Honestly, and IMO, the growing "trade liberty for safety" crowd on the conservative side is just as insane and dangerous as the "politically correct" zealots on the left.