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Re: Here's an example of States Rights...

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kalm wrote:It's contagious and Arizona wants to use it against any disagreeable law. I'm so glad the state government has decided to the give people back their power. :lol:
Gov. Doug Ducey on Thursday signed legislation cutting state shared revenue from municipalities and counties that pass regulations like plastic bag bans that conflict with state law.

The action came hours after the organization representing all 91 Arizona cities and towns called on the Republican governor to veto the bill. The letter to Ducey from the League of Arizona Cities and Towns says the measure is heavy-handed and intrusive, and it minimizes the important role of local elected officials.

"The elimination of shared revenue from cities and towns is a crippling and unjust penalty since it represents an average of 40 percent of a city's general fund," said the letter signed by the mayors of Tempe, Lake Havasu City and Chandler in the roles as league leaders.

But Ducey was unpersuaded. He had vowed in his state-of-the-state address to cut state shared revenue to any city that adopted a minimum wage that was higher than the state's, even though the law allows that.

"As Governor Ducey has made clear, for Arizona to be competitive, we can't have a patchwork of different laws across the state," spokeswoman Annie Dockendorff said in a statement. "This legislation ensures everyone is playing by the same rules."

The state sent nearly $1.1 billion from income and sales taxes to 91 cities and towns in the budget year that ended June 30.

The Republican-dominated Arizona Legislature has taken a firm stance in recent years against cities that enact laws popular in liberal enclaves, such as plastic-bag bans and rules governing energy efficiency in buildings.
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All of those folks like dback that WANT the federal government to grow and WANT Democrat Obama & Co. to overrule their Republican led state's rights, and to withhold federal funding from the state for things they don't like - in order to protect their liberal views, are now complaining that the state is using the same tactics against their liberal cities. :rofl:

You can't make this stuff up!!!! :lol:
These signatures have a 500 character limit?

What if I have more personalities than that?
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Re: Here's an example of States Rights...

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Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote:
Exactly! The state government should be deciding for each town because...people should choose for themselves!

:suspicious:
You're not Pro-Choice.
That's not very progressive. :ohno:

What if the town decided to ban windmills? :shock:

...or
Birkenstocks? :shock:

...or
tie dye shirts? :shock:

...or
solar panels? :shock:


Nannystatist. :ohno:
You're starting to understand! There's a glimmer of hope for you yet!

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kalm wrote:
Baldy wrote:
You're not Pro-Choice.
That's not very progressive. :ohno:

What if the town decided to ban windmills? :shock:

...or
Birkenstocks? :shock:

...or
tie dye shirts? :shock:

...or
solar panels? :shock:


Nannystatist. :ohno:
You're starting to understand! There's a glimmer of hope for you yet!

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Re: Here's an example of States Rights...

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Chizzang wrote:
Baldy wrote:
Dancing :lol:

I'm doing a TD dance all over your "point" while I spike the football in your face. :nod:

If the state passed a law and made it a requirement for its citizens to use plastic bags, you would be on point. The governor signed a law to prevent local governments from making a similar requirement. Let the people choose for themselves if they want to use plastic bags or not. :nod:

Why do you hate choice? :?

Poll numbers? :rofl:

Just an attempt by you to deflect and hijack your own thread when you saw it starting to head downhill. :nod:
Yikes...
Plastic Grocery bags are manufactured in Shenzhen China
Paper Bags are made in America and Canada

:nod:

Scott Walker racing backwards (protecting China's manufacturing)
and fighting to make sure local Americans citizens can't fight for American jobs
and restricting their rights to chose for themselves in their own communities

Sounds distinctly REPUBLICAN Baldy
no wonder it makes perfect sense to you

:coffee:

There's a ton of money to be made restricting Rights and selling america short
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Re: Here's an example of States Rights...

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Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote:
You're starting to understand! There's a glimmer of hope for you yet!

I'm so proud of Baldy! :clap:
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Here's a hint: the idea behind the "states rights" argument cuts both ways. Do you believe in local control, self determination or are you in favor of overlords in far off capitals deciding things for you?

Best of luck! :thumb:
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Chizzang wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Yikes...
Plastic Grocery bags are manufactured in Shenzhen China
Paper Bags are made in America and Canada

:nod:

Scott Walker racing backwards (protecting China's manufacturing)
and fighting to make sure local Americans citizens can't fight for American jobs
and restricting their rights to chose for themselves in their own communities

Sounds distinctly REPUBLICAN Baldy
no wonder it makes perfect sense to you

:coffee:

There's a ton of money to be made restricting Rights and selling america short
:lol:

Chizz, at first you complained about state law trumping local authority. :suspicious:
Then you tried to correlate Walker's poll numbers into the decision. :?
Now you're claiming Walker purposely did it to protect China's manufacturing. :dunce:

Jeezus Titty Fucking Christ, you're all over the place with this one. You sound just like a DONK.

If you are sooooo concerned about "selling america short", do America a favor and never buy another iPhone, Droid, or Windows Phone. Deal? :tothehand:
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kalm wrote:Do you believe in local control, self determination or are you in favor of overlords in far off capitals deciding things for you?

Best of luck! :thumb:
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kalm wrote:Here's a hint: the idea behind the "states rights" argument cuts both ways. Do you believe in local control, self determination or are you in favor of overlords in far off capitals deciding things for you?

Best of luck! :thumb:
WOW!

You actually do listen in class sometimes. There's still hope for you yet. :thumb:
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Re: Here's an example of States Rights...

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Baldy wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Yikes...
Plastic Grocery bags are manufactured in Shenzhen China
Paper Bags are made in America and Canada

:nod:

Scott Walker racing backwards (protecting China's manufacturing)
and fighting to make sure local Americans citizens can't fight for American jobs
and restricting their rights to chose for themselves in their own communities

Sounds distinctly REPUBLICAN Baldy
no wonder it makes perfect sense to you

:coffee:

There's a ton of money to be made restricting Rights and selling america short
:lol:

Chizz, at first you complained about state law trumping local authority. :suspicious:
Then you tried to correlate Walker's poll numbers into the decision. :?
Now you're claiming Walker purposely did it to protect China's manufacturing. :dunce:

Jeezus Titty Fucking Christ, you're all over the place with this one. You sound just like a DONK.

If you are sooooo concerned about "selling america short", do America a favor and never buy another iPhone, Droid, or Windows Phone. Deal? :tothehand:
You're just pretending to be this stupid...
I'm pointing out the MANY MANY ways this situation is just not good

How many ways does it have to be bad before you get it..?
I've listed about a half dozen

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Re: Here's an example of States Rights...

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Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote:Here's a hint: the idea behind the "states rights" argument cuts both ways. Do you believe in local control, self determination or are you in favor of overlords in far off capitals deciding things for you?

Best of luck! :thumb:
WOW!

You actually do listen in class sometimes. There's still hope for you yet. :thumb:
Answer the question and let's see how much you've learned...
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kalm wrote:
Baldy wrote:
WOW!

You actually do listen in class sometimes. There's still hope for you yet. :thumb:
Answer the question and let's see how much you've learned...
Baldy's lone point is:
By deciding for the entire state in one all encompassing sweeping legislation
Scott Walker is doing what's best for everybody - regardless of their own local wants and needs

:shock:

Because the lowest approval rated Governor in the United States knows what's best for EVERYBODY
Especially Chinese Manufacturers

:rofl:

And somehow kalm... You and I are just stupid
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Chizzang wrote:
kalm wrote:
Answer the question and let's see how much you've learned...
Baldy's lone point is:
By deciding for the entire state in one all encompassing sweeping legislation
Scott Walker is doing what's best for everybody - regardless of their own local wants and needs

:shock:

Because the lowest approval rated Governor in the United States knows what's best for EVERYBODY
Especially Chinese Manufacturers

:rofl:

And somehow kalm... You and I are just stupid
How much fish have you and kalm eaten from the Puget? :lol:

Who knew that you two would think that preserving the individual's right to choose would be such a ridiculous concept? :dunce:

How much Nanny State is too much Nanny State for you two? :?
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Baldy wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Baldy's lone point is:
By deciding for the entire state in one all encompassing sweeping legislation
Scott Walker is doing what's best for everybody - regardless of their own local wants and needs

:shock:

Because the lowest approval rated Governor in the United States knows what's best for EVERYBODY
Especially Chinese Manufacturers

:rofl:

And somehow kalm... You and I are just stupid
How much fish have you and kalm eaten from the Puget? :lol:

Who knew that you two would think that preserving the individual's right to choose would be such a ridiculous concept? :dunce:

How much Nanny State is too much Nanny State for you two? :?
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and Menasha Corp. Packaging

Menasha sources 100% of their plastic bags from Shenzhen China Package corp.

Because FREEDOM isn't about being free to decide whats best for your community
it's about what's best for Chinese Corporations and The Petrol Industry

:rofl:

Scott Walker = America second !!!
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Is Walker taking similar measures to prevent cities from banning mobile phone use while driving?
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Grizalltheway wrote:Is Walker taking similar measures to prevent cities from banning mobile phone use while driving?
Depends on who's paying him
He will if AT&T and VERIZON pay him enough...

He's a "business First" kind of guy
and beloved by his state

(By Business First I mean he can be easily purchased)
(by beloved I mean lowest rated Governor in the United States)

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Chizzang wrote:
Baldy wrote:
How much fish have you and kalm eaten from the Puget? :lol:

Who knew that you two would think that preserving the individual's right to choose would be such a ridiculous concept? :dunce:

How much Nanny State is too much Nanny State for you two? :?
Bill funded by:
Wisconsin Petroleum Marketers group
and Menasha Corp. Packaging

Menasha sources 100% of their plastic bags from Shenzhen China Package corp.

Because FREEDOM isn't about being free to decide whats best for your community
it's about what's best for Chinese Corporations and The Petrol Industry

:rofl:

Scott Walker = America second !!!
:rofl:

When his original argument crash and burned, it's very interesting to see how Clitzy evolved this thread from a "states rights" issue to an outsourcing, China, Big Oil whinefest. :lol:

Chizzy is such an "America First" kinda guy with his Chinese manufactured iPhone in his back pocket and posting on CS.com with his Chinese manufactured iPad. :rofl: :notworthy: :lol:
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Re: Here's an example of States Rights...

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Baldy wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Baldy's lone point is:
By deciding for the entire state in one all encompassing sweeping legislation
Scott Walker is doing what's best for everybody - regardless of their own local wants and needs

:shock:

Because the lowest approval rated Governor in the United States knows what's best for EVERYBODY
Especially Chinese Manufacturers

:rofl:

And somehow kalm... You and I are just stupid
How much fish have you and kalm eaten from the Puget? :lol:

Who knew that you two would think that preserving the individual's right to choose would be such a ridiculous concept? :dunce:

How much Nanny State is too much Nanny State for you two? :?
Oh...I get it now...this is all about the constitutional freedom of using plastic shopping bags for you... :rofl:

Didn't the local residents have a right to choose with who they voted for to run city government? If they don't like the law, wouldn't they have a right to choose the next candidate who runs on a pro-bag choice platform? "Vote the Bag Nazis out, I say"! :rofl:

You do realize, the nanny state in this scenario is the STATE government, right?

Or, as I implied earlier...perhaps you're opposed to representative government and are more of a direct democracy guy... :mrgreen:
Do you believe in local control, self determination or are you in favor of overlords in far off capitals deciding things for you?
You never answered this question but it's looking more and more like you're the latter. Better not hear you applying any "state's rights" arguments in the future. :bad:
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Re: Here's an example of States Rights...

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Chizzang wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:Is Walker taking similar measures to prevent cities from banning mobile phone use while driving?
Depends on who's paying him
He will if AT&T and VERIZON pay him enough...

He's a "business First" kind of guy
and beloved by his state

(By Business First I mean he can be easily purchased)
(by beloved I mean lowest rated Governor in the United States)

:coffee:
Great points and nice tie-in with the China angle earlier. Walker is an unprincipled whore and many saw through his bullshit from the start. :nod:

I'll bet he's all for 'Murica! :rofl:
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Is this thread forreal? :confused:

Did I miss where Walker REQUIRED every store purchase be placed in a plastic bag? Or banned the use of paper bags in the state of Wisconsin altogether?

Oh he didn't? Then what is everyone bitching about? :dunce:
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Baldy wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Bill funded by:
Wisconsin Petroleum Marketers group
and Menasha Corp. Packaging

Menasha sources 100% of their plastic bags from Shenzhen China Package corp.

Because FREEDOM isn't about being free to decide whats best for your community
it's about what's best for Chinese Corporations and The Petrol Industry

:rofl:

Scott Walker = America second !!!
:rofl:

When his original argument crash and burned, it's very interesting to see how Clitzy evolved this thread from a "states rights" issue to an outsourcing, China, Big Oil whinefest. :lol:

Chizzy is such an "America First" kinda guy with his Chinese manufactured iPhone in his back pocket and posting on CS.com with his Chinese manufactured iPad. :rofl: :notworthy: :lol:
Okay,
Firstly I work for a company that 100% manufactures their products in America
Secondly I do not use any Apple Products

:mrgreen:

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DSUrocks07 wrote:Is this thread forreal? :confused:

Did I miss where Walker REQUIRED every store purchase be placed in a plastic bag? Or banned the use of paper bags in the state of Wisconsin altogether?

Oh he didn't? Then what is everyone bitching about? :dunce:
Here's the Point:
Many stores in Wisconsin ONLY provide plastic bags
And some towns might want to pass legislation where the customer can choose (Paper or Plastic)

Simply passing that type of legislation is excellent for general awareness
and should never be made impossible by Lord Governor
Unless of course the Oil Industry is funding the bill

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Grizalltheway wrote:Is Walker taking similar measures to prevent cities from banning mobile phone use while driving?
Well, Badly?
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Chizzang wrote:
DSUrocks07 wrote:Is this thread forreal? :confused:

Did I miss where Walker REQUIRED every store purchase be placed in a plastic bag? Or banned the use of paper bags in the state of Wisconsin altogether?

Oh he didn't? Then what is everyone bitching about? :dunce:
Here's the Point:
Many stores in Wisconsin ONLY provide plastic bags
And some towns might want to pass legislation where the customer can choose (Paper or Plastic)

Simply passing that type of legislation is excellent for general awareness
and should never be made impossible by Lord Governor
Unless of course the Oil Industry is funding the bill

:shock:
Why is government (local) required to accomplish this? You would think that a local organization would be able to generate enough clout to convince certain grocery stores to use paper bags by guaranteeing their business to them (I know I know, evil kkkapitalism and all that), that those stores would immediately begin stocking paper bags, and other stores in the area will follow suit.

Question, does 100% of the citizens of said town agree with the outright ban on plastic bags? As others have said, what about "choice"? Or is it one of those, "if you don't like it, you can move" sort of situations...which REEKS of irony to say the least.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:Is Walker taking similar measures to prevent cities from banning mobile phone use while driving?
Well, Badly?
Plastic bags is a safely issue now? How many deaths were their in the last decade from "distracted plastic bag carrying"? And how would paper bags correct this epidemic? #paperlivesmatter #thinkofthechildren
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