Gary Johnson, your next POTUS

[SuperHornet]

Who?

[hitchinaride]

Honestly, I don't know if I would vote for Johnson or not. Will have to do a little more research on him etc.

But my voting philosophy has changed over the years. Most presidential elections, I vote against someone. I finally got tired of doing that and in 2012 abstained. In 2008 and 2012 republican primaries I voted for Ron Paul. Not necessarily because I thought that was the best presidential choice ( I know sounds strange), not even sure I would have voted for Paul if he had been the nominee. I voted for him because I would like the party to move in that direction. Now I realize my leverage is little, but hell it is what I have.

Now that we have honestly the two worst candidates I can imagine, unless I find something really untoward in Johnson (other than being nutz which pretty much describes where we are anyway), I will probably vote for him.

I like Johnson because he is precisely against the status quo and let's face it, Washington is broke and with Clinton and/or Trump, nothing changes. Trump appeals to the primal instincts in "angry" voters while Hillary appeals to the free shit crowd and lesbians. Again, the voices of few drown out the voices of many. The real enemy of ANY return to common sense politics is the media who long ago cast their lots with the hate America first leftists and they will attack ANYTHING and ANYBODY who is outside the agenda. They don't hate Trump or Clinton. It's the fucking illusion dude. George Wallace said it best, "There is not one dime's difference between a Republican and a Democrat."

But they appeal to primal instincts which is why they constantly are at the top. Some day, America will wake up.

[OL FU]

Obviously George Wallace was fantastical.

I ain't voting for trump or billary, so the question is who else . Right now Johnson has the lead since I fundamentally agree with libertarian views. But there is plenty of time. Besides with the electoral college SC is Trumps unless the axis tilts and throws most of the voters into the stratosphere .

[Ivytalk]

So you're copping out. That's your right, as an American.

Brave, brave Sir Robin!

Yeah, voting for Gary Johnson is so very brave. Good luck in November.

I vote on principle, and the Libertarians are the closest we're going to get to that in 2016 for us limited government types. If Johnson loses the LP nod to Petersen, I'll vote for Petersen -- who happens to be pro-life. But you just do whatever floats your boat.

[CID1990]

So you're copping out. That's your right, as an American.

Brave, brave Sir Robin!

Yeah, voting for Gary Johnson is so very brave. Good luck in November.

you wanna see brave?

this is brave:




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[AshevilleApp]

Yeah, voting for Gary Johnson is so very brave. Good luck in November.

you wanna see brave?

this is brave:




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Whip it! Whip it good!

[kalm]

Yeah, voting for Gary Johnson is so very brave. Good luck in November.

I vote on principle, and the Libertarians are the closest we're going to get to that in 2016 for us limited government types. If Johnson loses the LP nod to Petersen, I'll vote for Petersen -- who happens to be pro-life. But you just do whatever floats your boat.

It seems like Johnson is getting some significant backing. If enough people have Ivy's attitude and he gets a in the debates and and a fair amount votes, that sends a message.

Or...look at it this way...Kalm will be casting a more principled, conservative vote than 89hen in November.

[Ivytalk]

I vote on principle, and the Libertarians are the closest we're going to get to that in 2016 for us limited government types. If Johnson loses the LP nod to Petersen, I'll vote for Petersen -- who happens to be pro-life. But you just do whatever floats your boat.

It seems like Johnson is getting some significant backing. If enough people have Ivy's attitude and he gets a in the debates and and a fair amount votes, that sends a message.

Or...look at it this way...Kalm will be casting a more principled, conservative vote than 89hen in November.

And how will your "down ballot" votes be cast, Kalmy?

[Ivytalk]

Oh, and thanks to catamountman for starting this thread. Even though we conks can't carry klam's jock when it comes to supporting the G-Man.

On a related note, wouldn't it cap off this retarded political year if Johnson didn't get the LP nod?

I normally don't quote myself, but news accounts indicate that the Libertarian purists at the LP convention actually booed Johnson at yesterday's debate for not being libertarian enough. Wouldn't it be rich if Petersen actually pulls off the upset against the "establishment" LP candidate?

Crap, and I think Mrs. Ivy is getting some GJ apparel for me for my birthday!

[kalm]

It seems like Johnson is getting some significant backing. If enough people have Ivy's attitude and he gets a in the debates and and a fair amount votes, that sends a message.

Or...look at it this way...Kalm will be casting a more principled, conservative vote than 89hen in November.

And how will your "down ballot" votes be cast, Kalmy?

I refuse to vote for either major party in national elections. All of my state reps are republicans which is fine but I won't vote for one of them if he's up for re-election because he failed to follow through on having a cup of coffee with me. Haven't looked at county commissioner races yet but will vote Republican there also out of self interest and less regulation.

As for national office...

Washington 5th District: Dave Wilson (I). He's an entrepreneur and won 11% of the vote last time. McMorris-Rogers is a paragon of establishment politics.

Senate: I like the mom in tennis shoes senator but again, can't vote for a major party out of principle. So it's either Uncle Mover or DrPano Kroko Churchill for me...for obvious reasons...

The choice of parties in Washington is mainly a function of a nonpartisan primary that selects candidates for partisan offices. Candidates don’t say they are Democrats, Republicans or Libertarians or Socialists on their official paperwork or the ballot. They say they “prefer” the Democratic, or the Republican, or the Libertarian or Socialist Workers party.


Or this year, the Human Rights, StandupAmerica, Lincoln Caucus, System Reboot parties, all of which are candidate preferences for the U.S. Senate race. Or the Holistic or Fifth Republic party, which each have a candidate in the governor’s race.

These are not “third” parties. They are parties so minor as to be inventions of the candidates themselves. Some are hints about that would-be officeholder’s plans or principles. Some take a bit of deciphering. David Blomstrom, the gubernatorial candidate from the Fifth Republic Party – slogan: “viva la revolucion” – has a fairly detailed explanation of how the United States has moved through four republics, and he wants to help usher in the fifth. For those who want more elucidation, that’s why God and Al Gore invented the Internet.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/m ... reativity/

[OL FU]

Oh, and thanks to catamountman for starting this thread. Even though we conks can't carry klam's jock when it comes to supporting the G-Man.

On a related note, wouldn't it cap off this retarded political year if Johnson didn't get the LP nod?

I normally don't quote myself, but news accounts indicate that the Libertarian purists at the LP convention actually booed Johnson at yesterday's debate for not being libertarian enough. Wouldn't it be rich if Petersen actually pulls off the upset against the "establishment" LP candidate?

Crap, and I think Mrs. Ivy is getting some GJ apparel for me for my birthday!

He was booed because he favors requiring driver's licenses.

One of the reasons I call my self libertarian, not Libertarian. I understand why people say barbers or stylist should not be required to have a license to cut hair, but a driver's license

[UNI88]

I normally don't quote myself, but news accounts indicate that the Libertarian purists at the LP convention actually booed Johnson at yesterday's debate for not being libertarian enough. Wouldn't it be rich if Petersen actually pulls off the upset against the "establishment" LP candidate?

Crap, and I think Mrs. Ivy is getting some GJ apparel for me for my birthday!

He was booed because he favors requiring driver's licenses.

One of the reasons I call my self libertarian, not Libertarian. I understand why people say barbers or stylist should be required to have a license to cut hair, but a driver's license

And why I call myself a small l libertarian. I agree with much of the platform but not all of it.

[Ivytalk]

Gary Johnson prevails at LP convention! God bless America!

[Ivytalk]

So can Bill Weld overcome his history of endorsing Barry Sotero in 2008 and denying ballot access to Libertarians in NY in 2012, and become Johnson's running mate?

GJ thinks Weld will get him more street cred -- and money -- but I think it would be a hoot if Larry Sharpe won. The brothas would flock to the LP!

[OL FU]

Gary Johnson prevails at LP convention! God bless America!

Good as close to a not nutz candidate as we could get. Just hope he doesn't give too many campaign speeches stoned

[Ivytalk]

It's official: Johnson/Weld '16!

[OL FU]

He was booed because he favors requiring driver's licenses.

One of the reasons I call my self libertarian, not Libertarian. I understand why people say barbers or stylist should be required to have a license to cut hair, but a driver's license

And why I call myself a small l libertarian. I agree with much of the platform but not all of it.

Just realized I left out the not in barbers should not be required to have license

[hitchinaride]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/29/politics/ ... inee-vote/

Johnson taking shots at Trump. This is gonna get good!

[Ivytalk]

Johnson/Weld! Two old white guys FTW!

[AZGrizFan]

Gonna be interesting to see how many votes he gets this election.

[89Hen]

But you just do whatever floats your boat.

You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

[HI54UNI]

My brother is a big "L" Libertarian. He's been a delegate to the national convention twice. Talking this weekend he said he will not be voting Libertarian this year. He can live with Johnson but was not happy about Weld on the ticket. He says the Libertarian Party also started kissing Muslin ass in the last year and that their open borders policy, which he theoretically agrees with, isn't realistic as long as we have the welfare state that we have.

He also shared this video with the freak show that is the Libertarian Convention.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eolwk9530zY[/youtube]

[Grizalltheway]

Moob alert! Spoiler that shit!

[Ivytalk]

My brother is a big "L" Libertarian. He's been a delegate to the national convention twice. Talking this weekend he said he will not be voting Libertarian this year. He can live with Johnson but was not happy about Weld on the ticket. He says the Libertarian Party also started kissing Muslin ass in the last year and that their open borders policy, which he theoretically agrees with, isn't realistic as long as we have the welfare state that we have.

He also shared this video with the freak show that is the Libertarian Convention.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eolwk9530zY[/youtube]

National Review has already weighed in with a piece on how "unserious" the LP is. That goofball is all over the Internet now. When you advocate for getting the government out of driver's licenses, I can see NR's point!

That said, I'm still voting for Johnson. I would have preferred a different Veep candidate, but you can't have everything.

[Ivytalk]

But you just do whatever floats your boat.

You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

I don't know what you're talking about, Mr. Holier-Than-Thou. But, hey, enjoy your blank presidential ballot in November.