Afghanistan...another American soldier dies...for what?

[Ibanez]

I'd like to solve the puzzle, What is Oil & Money?

[93henfan]

Nobody cares about you talking about politicians or grunts. It's when you insulted grunts that I shook my head: the very first post where I quoted you. That was bullshit and you know it. But instead of retracting or apologizing for your bullshit, you keep on . Do us all a favor and blast our military men at your pool or the yacht club where you won't offend people who have actually served the country. Keep it in your bubble.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Oh, it seems as though some of you need a safe space when someone talks about the grunts in the military.

Calling us all(people who have and do serve) stupid with no basis isn't the issue? I don't need a safe place, just intelligent conversation and argument. The 70's hippy mantra is a dead horse.

[BDKJMU]

C'mon, most of the people in the military are morans (as are most peeps in life...except the military folks have guns). The grunts are there because most of them have nowhere else to go.

Somehow, they are dumb enough to believe they are doing something righteous...they believe they are brave and protecting 'Merica from the world's evil dangers.

Wow what a bunch of ignorance that you just spewed..

[CID1990]

To Obama's everlasting shame
Afghanistan will always be his boondoggle



And honest Liberals unanimously agree and guys like Bill Mahar talk about Obama's Afghanistan all the time

Yep. Its all his now. Though I doubt any other President would walk away from those kind of natural resources either.

There's that broken record again.

Which resources, exactly, are coming out of Afghanistan, HD? Links?

You and a couple others like to talk about this one but as yet I don't see Apple and Samsung getting their rare earths from Afghanistan. There are too many other options that don't involve the exorbitant costs of trying to mine in a war zone full of murder monkeys.

So let's see you start sourcing your claims


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[Chizzang]

Okay,
I spend a little time dabbling in commodities so you hear the talk
VITOL and GLENCORE are all over this


The war worth raging
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-is ... -gas/19769

Hows about ONE TRILLION in Minerals
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science- ... ls-n196861

How's about "The Global Center" of Rare earth production
http://investorintel.com/technology-met ... roduction/

"One retired senior U.S official “When I was living in Kabul in the early 1970s the [U.S. government], the Russians, the World Bank, the U.N. and others were all highly focused on the wide range of Afghan mineral deposits. Cheap ways of moving the ore to ocean ports has always been the limiting factor.”

At least two American geologists have been advising the Pentagon on Afghanistan’s wealth of mineral resources for years. Bonita Chamberlin, a geologist who spent 25 years working in Afghanistan, “identified 91 minerals, metals and gems at 1,407 potential mining sites,” the Los Angeles Times"

[CID1990]

Okay,
I spend a little time dabbling in commodities so you hear the talk
VITOL and GLENCORE are all over this


The war worth raging
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-is ... -gas/19769

Hows about ONE TRILLION in Minerals
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science- ... ls-n196861

How's about "The Global Center" of Rare earth production
http://investorintel.com/technology-met ... roduction/

"One retired senior U.S official “When I was living in Kabul in the early 1970s the [U.S. government], the Russians, the World Bank, the U.N. and others were all highly focused on the wide range of Afghan mineral deposits. Cheap ways of moving the ore to ocean ports has always been the limiting factor.”

At least two American geologists have been advising the Pentagon on Afghanistan’s wealth of mineral resources for years. Bonita Chamberlin, a geologist who spent 25 years working in Afghanistan, “identified 91 minerals, metals and gems at 1,407 potential mining sites,” the Los Angeles Times"

Congrats

You have sourced that

A. Afghanistan has a lot of minerals and

B. There are American companies that would like to mine them

I am not disputing any of that

Get back to me when the drills start drilling and the trucks start rolling and THEN maybe the argument that we are only in Afghanistan for the minerals might move out of Spandos/Clitz/HD territory

Our military cant control 1% of that shithole. The place needs to come out of the stone age before anyone can think of mining it in a cost effective way - and when that happens the Chinese will control it. Quite frankly any mining interests in America that are entertaining thoughts of pulling mineral wealth out of there any time within the next 50 years need to also be checked for belief in unicorns




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[DSUrocks07]

Okay,
I spend a little time dabbling in commodities so you hear the talk
VITOL and GLENCORE are all over this


The war worth raging
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-is ... -gas/19769

Hows about ONE TRILLION in Minerals
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science- ... ls-n196861

How's about "The Global Center" of Rare earth production
http://investorintel.com/technology-met ... roduction/

"One retired senior U.S official “When I was living in Kabul in the early 1970s the [U.S. government], the Russians, the World Bank, the U.N. and others were all highly focused on the wide range of Afghan mineral deposits. Cheap ways of moving the ore to ocean ports has always been the limiting factor.”

At least two American geologists have been advising the Pentagon on Afghanistan’s wealth of mineral resources for years. Bonita Chamberlin, a geologist who spent 25 years working in Afghanistan, “identified 91 minerals, metals and gems at 1,407 potential mining sites,” the Los Angeles Times"

Congrats

You have sourced that

A. Afghanistan has a lot of minerals and

B. There are American companies that would like to mine them

I am not disputing any of that

Get back to me when the drills start drilling and the trucks start rolling and THEN maybe the argument that we are only in Afghanistan for the minerals might move out of Spandos/Clitz/HD territory

Our military cant control 1% of that shithole. The place needs to come out of the stone age before anyone can think of mining it in a cost effective way - and when that happens the Chinese will control it. Quite frankly any mining interests in America that are entertaining thoughts of pulling mineral wealth out of there any time within the next 50 years need to also be checked for belief in unicorns




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Any corporate interests would get blown to hell within a week's time, plus the sources of these well endowed minerals are public knowledge, which makes them bullseye targets to insurgents and terrorist groups. The property insurance rates ALONE would drive any medium size corp out of business.

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[Chizzang]

Okay,
I spend a little time dabbling in commodities so you hear the talk
VITOL and GLENCORE are all over this


The war worth raging
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-is ... -gas/19769

Hows about ONE TRILLION in Minerals
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science- ... ls-n196861

How's about "The Global Center" of Rare earth production
http://investorintel.com/technology-met ... roduction/

"One retired senior U.S official “When I was living in Kabul in the early 1970s the [U.S. government], the Russians, the World Bank, the U.N. and others were all highly focused on the wide range of Afghan mineral deposits. Cheap ways of moving the ore to ocean ports has always been the limiting factor.”

At least two American geologists have been advising the Pentagon on Afghanistan’s wealth of mineral resources for years. Bonita Chamberlin, a geologist who spent 25 years working in Afghanistan, “identified 91 minerals, metals and gems at 1,407 potential mining sites,” the Los Angeles Times"

Congrats

You have sourced that

A. Afghanistan has a lot of minerals and

B. There are American companies that would like to mine them

I am not disputing any of that

Get back to me when the drills start drilling and the trucks start rolling and THEN maybe the argument that we are only in Afghanistan for the minerals might move out of Spandos/Clitz/HD territory

Our military cant control 1% of that shithole. The place needs to come out of the stone age before anyone can think of mining it in a cost effective way - and when that happens the Chinese will control it. Quite frankly any mining interests in America that are entertaining thoughts of pulling mineral wealth out of there any time within the next 50 years need to also be checked for belief in unicorns

You kinda answered the question in your snark filled reply - CHINA - is the answer
We're in the midst of a cold war stand-off with China in the south China sea over what..?
We were in the midst of a cold war stand off over POST Iraq oil
We've been in a cold war stand off with China over Libya since 1980

and the list goes on...
We're obsessed with Chinese maneuverings and future plans
and just because Russia spent a wasted decade in Afghanistan
Russian soldiers dying for proposed future oil pipelines

I don't really think we learned anything from Russian failures there
and I DO THINK we're just stupid enough to try and advance corner that market

[CID1990]

Congrats

You have sourced that

A. Afghanistan has a lot of minerals and

B. There are American companies that would like to mine them

I am not disputing any of that

Get back to me when the drills start drilling and the trucks start rolling and THEN maybe the argument that we are only in Afghanistan for the minerals might move out of Spandos/Clitz/HD territory

Our military cant control 1% of that shithole. The place needs to come out of the stone age before anyone can think of mining it in a cost effective way - and when that happens the Chinese will control it. Quite frankly any mining interests in America that are entertaining thoughts of pulling mineral wealth out of there any time within the next 50 years need to also be checked for belief in unicorns




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Any corporate interests would get blown to hell within a week's time, plus the sources of these well endowed minerals are public knowledge, which makes them bullseye targets to insurgents and terrorist groups. The property insurance rates ALONE would drive any medium size corp out of business.

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no no no

dude

we are in afghanistan for the minerals they'll be carting them out any day now


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[CID1990]

Congrats

You have sourced that

A. Afghanistan has a lot of minerals and

B. There are American companies that would like to mine them

I am not disputing any of that

Get back to me when the drills start drilling and the trucks start rolling and THEN maybe the argument that we are only in Afghanistan for the minerals might move out of Spandos/Clitz/HD territory

Our military cant control 1% of that shithole. The place needs to come out of the stone age before anyone can think of mining it in a cost effective way - and when that happens the Chinese will control it. Quite frankly any mining interests in America that are entertaining thoughts of pulling mineral wealth out of there any time within the next 50 years need to also be checked for belief in unicorns

You kinda answered the question in your snark filled reply - CHINA - is the answer
We're in the midst of a cold war stand-off with China in the south China sea over what..?
We were in the midst of a cold war stand off over POST Iraq oil
We've been in a cold war stand off with China over Libya since 1980

and the list goes on...
We're obsessed with Chinese maneuverings and future plans
and just because Russia spent a wasted decade in Afghanistan
Russian soldiers dying for proposed future oil pipelines

I don't really think we learned anything from Russian failures there
and I DO THINK we're just stupid enough to try and advance corner that market

like I said

get back to me when it happens and in the meantime

we aren't in afghanistan for the mineral wealth


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[DSUrocks07]

Congrats

You have sourced that

A. Afghanistan has a lot of minerals and

B. There are American companies that would like to mine them

I am not disputing any of that

Get back to me when the drills start drilling and the trucks start rolling and THEN maybe the argument that we are only in Afghanistan for the minerals might move out of Spandos/Clitz/HD territory

Our military cant control 1% of that shithole. The place needs to come out of the stone age before anyone can think of mining it in a cost effective way - and when that happens the Chinese will control it. Quite frankly any mining interests in America that are entertaining thoughts of pulling mineral wealth out of there any time within the next 50 years need to also be checked for belief in unicorns

You kinda answered the question in your snark filled reply - CHINA - is the answer
We're in the midst of a cold war stand-off with China in the south China sea over what..?
We were in the midst of a cold war stand off over POST Iraq oil
We've been in a cold war stand off with China over Libya since 1980

and the list goes on...
We're obsessed with Chinese maneuverings and future plans
and just because Russia spent a wasted decade in Afghanistan
Russian soldiers dying for proposed future oil pipelines

I don't really think we learned anything from Russian failures there
and I DO THINK we're just stupid enough to try and advance corner that market

"Never fight a land war in Asia"

It didnt work for the Soviets.
Its not working for the US.

Do you really think that the third time would be the charm for China?

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[CID1990]

You kinda answered the question in your snark filled reply - CHINA - is the answer
We're in the midst of a cold war stand-off with China in the south China sea over what..?
We were in the midst of a cold war stand off over POST Iraq oil
We've been in a cold war stand off with China over Libya since 1980

and the list goes on...
We're obsessed with Chinese maneuverings and future plans
and just because Russia spent a wasted decade in Afghanistan
Russian soldiers dying for proposed future oil pipelines

I don't really think we learned anything from Russian failures there
and I DO THINK we're just stupid enough to try and advance corner that market

"Never fight a land war in Asia"

It didnt work for the Soviets.
Its not working for the US.

Do you really think that the third time would be the charm for China?

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not to mention the South China Sea - through which a very significant portion of the world's maritime commerce passes- which China has already indicated they should have the sole right to regulate

but no we're only interested in the oil there


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[Ivytalk]

You kinda answered the question in your snark filled reply - CHINA - is the answer
We're in the midst of a cold war stand-off with China in the south China sea over what..?
We were in the midst of a cold war stand off over POST Iraq oil
We've been in a cold war stand off with China over Libya since 1980

and the list goes on...
We're obsessed with Chinese maneuverings and future plans
and just because Russia spent a wasted decade in Afghanistan
Russian soldiers dying for proposed future oil pipelines

I don't really think we learned anything from Russian failures there
and I DO THINK we're just stupid enough to try and advance corner that market

"Never fight a land war in Asia"

It didnt work for the Soviets.
Its not working for the US.

Do you really think that the third time would be the charm for China?

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So the Red Chinese can't even handle the Uighurs and we expect them to take over Afghanistan?

[CID1990]

"Never fight a land war in Asia"

It didnt work for the Soviets.
Its not working for the US.

Do you really think that the third time would be the charm for China?

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So the Red Chinese can't even handle the Uighurs and we expect them to take over Afghanistan?

They won't need to

I mentioned before that when Afghanistan opens up (one day) the Chinese will control it

but they wont have to fire a shot. They'll use their African model:

1. give them free infrastructure in the way of railroads, airports and trains

2. allow the afghan govt to take the credit

3. Dont harrass the afghan govt over petty trivialities like human rights


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[DSUrocks07]

So the Red Chinese can't even handle the Uighurs and we expect them to take over Afghanistan?

They won't need to

I mentioned before that when Afghanistan opens up (one day) the Chinese will control it

but they wont have to fire a shot. They'll use their African model:

1. give them free infrastructure in the way of railroads, airports and trains

2. allow the afghan govt to take the credit

3. Dont harrass the afghan govt over petty trivialities like human rights


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And then the US would have a really entertaining choice on their hands:

1)allow those evil Chinamen to extend their influence

2) team up with that communist dictator (according to Joe Biden) in Russia to contain China,

or, 3) brand Iran as the new "frontline against evil" and support the Ayatollah against Chinese aggression.

or we can continue the "America, fuck yeah" policies of the Bush administration and continue to stick our noses into areas of the world to "combat terror", while Mexico is right on our doorstep and we can't even use our so-called "sphere of influence" to get them on the same page as us. The Monroe Doctrine has apparently applied to the entire world now, not just the Western Hemisphere.

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[Skjellyfetti]

When did Biden call Putin communist? Dictator is debatable I guess... but, Putin as a communist is just retarded.

[DSUrocks07]

When did Biden call Putin communist? Dictator is debatable I guess... but, Putin as a communist is just retarded.

More tongue in cheek on the communist (with the whole "Russia has ALWAYS been our enemy" excuse that both sides continue to perpetuate), dictator is a quote directly contributable to Biden on stage at the Dem convention where he directly called Putin a dictator (twice) to a national audience, which I'm sure is wonderful for foreign relations.

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[CID1990]

They won't need to

I mentioned before that when Afghanistan opens up (one day) the Chinese will control it

but they wont have to fire a shot. They'll use their African model:

1. give them free infrastructure in the way of railroads, airports and trains

2. allow the afghan govt to take the credit

3. Dont harrass the afghan govt over petty trivialities like human rights


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And then the US would have a really entertaining choice on their hands:

1)allow those evil Chinamen to extend their influence

2) team up with that communist dictator (according to Joe Biden) in Russia to contain China,

or, 3) brand Iran as the new "frontline against evil" and support the Ayatollah against Chinese aggression.

or we can continue the "America, **** yeah" policies of the Bush administration and continue to stick our noses into areas of the world to "combat terror", while Mexico is right on our doorstep and we can't even use our so-called "sphere of influence" to get them on the same page as us. The Monroe Doctrine has apparently applied to the entire world now, not just the Western Hemisphere.

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yeah well youre leaving out the other option

its the same option that got left out of our dealings with Iran (and led to that giant RANSOM known as the "nuclear deal")


its called doing nothing

(the benign but effective cousin of "doing something")

For some reason we find this option so untenable that it never winds up in our list of choices, but I find it to be the most desirable




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[DSUrocks07]

And then the US would have a really entertaining choice on their hands:

1)allow those evil Chinamen to extend their influence

2) team up with that communist dictator (according to Joe Biden) in Russia to contain China,

or, 3) brand Iran as the new "frontline against evil" and support the Ayatollah against Chinese aggression.

or we can continue the "America, **** yeah" policies of the Bush administration and continue to stick our noses into areas of the world to "combat terror", while Mexico is right on our doorstep and we can't even use our so-called "sphere of influence" to get them on the same page as us. The Monroe Doctrine has apparently applied to the entire world now, not just the Western Hemisphere.

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yeah well youre leaving out the other option

its the same option that got left out of our dealings with Iran (and led to that giant RANSOM known as the "nuclear deal")


its called doing nothing

(the benign but effective cousin of "doing something")

For some reason we find this option so untenable that it never winds up in our list of choices, but I find it to be the most desirable




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I myself am very susceptible to that option on a daily basis

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[houndawg]

You kinda answered the question in your snark filled reply - CHINA - is the answer
We're in the midst of a cold war stand-off with China in the south China sea over what..?
We were in the midst of a cold war stand off over POST Iraq oil
We've been in a cold war stand off with China over Libya since 1980

and the list goes on...
We're obsessed with Chinese maneuverings and future plans
and just because Russia spent a wasted decade in Afghanistan
Russian soldiers dying for proposed future oil pipelines

I don't really think we learned anything from Russian failures there
and I DO THINK we're just stupid enough to try and advance corner that market

like I said

get back to me when it happens and in the meantime

we aren't in afghanistan for the mineral wealth


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of course not. We're there to bring democracy to our little brown brothers.

[CID1990]

like I said

get back to me when it happens and in the meantime

we aren't in afghanistan for the mineral wealth


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of course not. We're there to bring democracy to our little brown brothers.

no

We are still there because a war without the nation building follow up is politically untenable

personally, I find that leaving a country in its own rubble after we decapitate it is an acceptable part of the deterrent package but nobody asks me


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[Chizzang]

I don't buy it...
I think we want to be there (just like the Russians) for the resources when it happens

[houndawg]

of course not. We're there to bring democracy to our little brown brothers.

no

We are still there because a war without the nation building follow up is politically untenable

personally, I find that leaving a country in its own rubble after we decapitate it is an acceptable part of the deterrent package but nobody asks me


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Why was there a war?

[CID1990]

no

We are still there because a war without the nation building follow up is politically untenable

personally, I find that leaving a country in its own rubble after we decapitate it is an acceptable part of the deterrent package but nobody asks me


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Why was there a war?

Don't be stupid. I was talking about the fact that we feel it is necessary to build shit after we blow it up. The reason we are there is immaterial to that.

Try to keep up


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