Here we go again part ??

[GannonFan]

Tasers.

Why the living **** do we give cops **** tasers/mace if they don't want to **** use them.

Jesus **** christ. At this point, it's damn near impossible to be able to look at this **** and go "Yeah, the cop *might* have been justified".

If the subject has a gun, you need a gun. If the person is unarmed, then a taser.

Why though? In the Tulsa incident two cops reacted to the guy quickly reaching into his car - one cop pulled a taser and fired and the other one fired a gun. Why the different response and wouldn't have using a taser worked? I'm all for cops protecting themselves when threatened, and if an uncommunicative person, after ignoring commands, reaches into a car I think there is risk there - but why does that need to be met with deadly force - why can't the taser work in that situation?

On top of that, the other issue with the Tulsa thing is they let that guy lay on the ground and bleed out for several minutes before approaching him. Apparently there is no training for administering first aid for someone. How is that okay? Guy's dying on the ground in front of them and, regardless of any crime he may or may not have committed, the cop should never just let the person die without trying to help.

[YoUDeeMan]

If the subject has a gun, you need a gun. If the person is unarmed, then a taser.

Why though? In the Tulsa incident two cops reacted to the guy quickly reaching into his car - one cop pulled a taser and fired and the other one fired a gun. Why the different response and wouldn't have using a taser worked? I'm all for cops protecting themselves when threatened, and if an uncommunicative person, after ignoring commands, reaches into a car I think there is risk there - but why does that need to be met with deadly force - why can't the taser work in that situation?

On top of that, the other issue with the Tulsa thing is they let that guy lay on the ground and bleed out for several minutes before approaching him. Apparently there is no training for administering first aid for someone. How is that okay? Guy's dying on the ground in front of them and, regardless of any crime he may or may not have committed, the cop should never just let the person die without trying to help.

Hmmm, you never watched horror movies as a kid...or those war movies, did you?

The guy guns down the monster/enemy, think it/he is dead, approaches the body..and suddenly, the body that really isn't dead ends up killing the guy.

All of the movie watchers say, "What a dumbass, I'd keep shooting until I ran out of ammo, then I'd reload and keep dumping more bullets into the body."

Rule # 1: Never approach something you've shot. Let it bleed out.

[CAA Flagship]

If the subject has a gun, you need a gun. If the person is unarmed, then a taser.

Why though? In the Tulsa incident two cops reacted to the guy quickly reaching into his car - one cop pulled a taser and fired and the other one fired a gun. Why the different response and wouldn't have using a taser worked? I'm all for cops protecting themselves when threatened, and if an uncommunicative person, after ignoring commands, reaches into a car I think there is risk there - but why does that need to be met with deadly force - why can't the taser work in that situation?

On top of that, the other issue with the Tulsa thing is they let that guy lay on the ground and bleed out for several minutes before approaching him. Apparently there is no training for administering first aid for someone. How is that okay? Guy's dying on the ground in front of them and, regardless of any crime he may or may not have committed, the cop should never just let the person die without trying to help.

IF he has a gun, and is not complying to the commands, why give him a chance to fire the first shot? Tasers are not as accurate and not as quick acting. I can't blame an officer for shooting first under those circumstances. I would value my life over his if I were in that situation.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Why though? In the Tulsa incident two cops reacted to the guy quickly reaching into his car - one cop pulled a taser and fired and the other one fired a gun. Why the different response and wouldn't have using a taser worked? I'm all for cops protecting themselves when threatened, and if an uncommunicative person, after ignoring commands, reaches into a car I think there is risk there - but why does that need to be met with deadly force - why can't the taser work in that situation?

On top of that, the other issue with the Tulsa thing is they let that guy lay on the ground and bleed out for several minutes before approaching him. Apparently there is no training for administering first aid for someone. How is that okay? Guy's dying on the ground in front of them and, regardless of any crime he may or may not have committed, the cop should never just let the person die without trying to help.

IF he has a gun, and is not complying to the commands, why give him a chance to fire the first shot? Tasers are not as accurate and not as quick acting. I can't blame an officer for shooting first under those circumstances. I would value my life over his if I were in that situation.

Your doing it wrong, it's "black lives matter" not "your life matters".

[CAA Flagship]

IF he has a gun, and is not complying to the commands, why give him a chance to fire the first shot? Tasers are not as accurate and not as quick acting. I can't blame an officer for shooting first under those circumstances. I would value my life over his if I were in that situation.

Your doing it wrong, it's "black lives matter" not "your life matters".

Then why do I spend money on food for myself?

[YoUDeeMan]

Why though? In the Tulsa incident two cops reacted to the guy quickly reaching into his car - one cop pulled a taser and fired and the other one fired a gun. Why the different response and wouldn't have using a taser worked? I'm all for cops protecting themselves when threatened, and if an uncommunicative person, after ignoring commands, reaches into a car I think there is risk there - but why does that need to be met with deadly force - why can't the taser work in that situation?

On top of that, the other issue with the Tulsa thing is they let that guy lay on the ground and bleed out for several minutes before approaching him. Apparently there is no training for administering first aid for someone. How is that okay? Guy's dying on the ground in front of them and, regardless of any crime he may or may not have committed, the cop should never just let the person die without trying to help.

IF he has a gun, and is not complying to the commands, why give him a chance to fire the first shot? Tasers are not as accurate and not as quick acting. I can't blame an officer for shooting first under those circumstances. I would value my life over his if I were in that situation.

WIN!

I don't know why people want cops to risk their lives when some perp looks to be reaching for a gun. Shoot the mother fvcking clown.

Can you imagine the mentality of someone challenging an officer by pulling out a gun?

Put the rabid dog down before he/she bites someone else.

If an officer tells you to not move...DO NOT MOVE.

That is really simple.

If you move, all bets are off.

[Ibanez]

His family said Scott, an African-American, was unarmed and sitting in his car reading a book, waiting for his son to come home from school.

But Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Kerr Putney said Scott exited his car with a gun, not a book. He said officers couldn't find a book at the scene.
"It's time for the voiceless majority to stand up and be heard," the police chief, who is also black, said Wednesday.
"It's time to change the narrative because I can tell you from the facts that the story's a little bit different as to how it's been portrayed so far, especially through social media."

Putney said both evidence and witnesses support the officers' claim that Scott was armed.
Officers repeatedly told Scott to drop his gun, Putney said, but he didn't. Officer Brentley Vinson, who is also black, then shot him.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/21/us/charlo ... index.html

C'mon. Nobody really believes that ANYONE is sitting in their car, in their neighborhood, reading a book (unless you're a cabbie or something).

#ReadingLivesMatter

[kalm]

IF he has a gun, and is not complying to the commands, why give him a chance to fire the first shot? Tasers are not as accurate and not as quick acting. I can't blame an officer for shooting first under those circumstances. I would value my life over his if I were in that situation.

WIN!

I don't know why people want cops to risk their lives

Sorry for pulling the 89 here, but...

[CID1990]

5) Radio caller: Being black is a curse

Very interesting.

As in, if you were Buddhist you would believe that black folks were bankers and televangelists in their previous lives?


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[Ibanez]

Received an email at 3:50 saying everyone in CLT should leave by 4:00. I guess looting will commence early


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[ASUG8]

Received an email at 3:50 saying everyone in CLT should leave by 4:00. I guess looting will commence early


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They can afford to stay out late since they have no reason to get up early.

[ASUG8]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/l ... 09432.html

Charlotte Mayor Jennifer Roberts held a Wednesday press conference and urged the community to remain calm and wait for the facts in the case to be released before jumping to conclusions.

Her comments came just an hour before one activist group held its own news conference, urging the black community to start an economic boycott of white-owned businesses Charlotte.

Read more here:

The officer was also African-American.

[andy7171]

Why though? In the Tulsa incident two cops reacted to the guy quickly reaching into his car - one cop pulled a taser and fired and the other one fired a gun. Why the different response and wouldn't have using a taser worked? I'm all for cops protecting themselves when threatened, and if an uncommunicative person, after ignoring commands, reaches into a car I think there is risk there - but why does that need to be met with deadly force - why can't the taser work in that situation?

On top of that, the other issue with the Tulsa thing is they let that guy lay on the ground and bleed out for several minutes before approaching him. Apparently there is no training for administering first aid for someone. How is that okay? Guy's dying on the ground in front of them and, regardless of any crime he may or may not have committed, the cop should never just let the person die without trying to help.

Hmmm, you never watched horror movies as a kid...or those war movies, did you?

The guy guns down the monster/enemy, think it/he is dead, approaches the body..and suddenly, the body that really isn't dead ends up killing the guy.

All of the movie watchers say, "What a dumbass, I'd keep shooting until I ran out of ammo, then I'd reload and keep dumping more bullets into the body."

Rule # 1: Never approach something you've shot. Let it bleed out.

Rule #1 is Double Tap.


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[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Hmmm, you never watched horror movies as a kid...or those war movies, did you?

The guy guns down the monster/enemy, think it/he is dead, approaches the body..and suddenly, the body that really isn't dead ends up killing the guy.

All of the movie watchers say, "What a dumbass, I'd keep shooting until I ran out of ammo, then I'd reload and keep dumping more bullets into the body."

Rule # 1: Never approach something you've shot. Let it bleed out.

Rule #1 is Double Tap.


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[JohnStOnge]

I think both incidents are consistent with my pre-existing perception of this problem. And that perception is that incidents like this are associated with the behavior of the people who end up getting shot. As you all know I am not a cop worshipper. But just about every time you see one of these "cops shoot a black guy" things the black guy did something to increase the probability that he would get shot.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

I think both incidents are consistent with my pre-existing perception of this problem. And that perception is that incidents like this are associated with the behavior of the people who end up getting shot. As you all know I am not a cop worshipper. But just about every time you see one of these "cops shoot a black guy" things the black guy did something to increase the probability that he would get shot.

Chris Rock can be a tool at times but this is pretty funny.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBQtuIrgcTw[/youtube]

[93henfan]

I think both incidents are consistent with my pre-existing perception of this problem. And that perception is that incidents like this are associated with the behavior of the people who end up getting shot. As you all know I am not a cop worshipper. But just about every time you see one of these "cops shoot a black guy" things the black guy did something to increase the probability that he would get shot.

Precisely.

[kalm]

I think both incidents are consistent with my pre-existing perception of this problem. And that perception is that incidents like this are associated with the behavior of the people who end up getting shot. As you all know I am not a cop worshipper. But just about every time you see one of these "cops shoot a black guy" things the black guy did something to increase the probability that he would get shot.

If it was a white guy wearing a suit and the exact behavior was exhibited do you think it goes down the same way?

How about a woman?

How about an elderly person?

Appearance, gender, age, size, and race all play a roll.

[CAA Flagship]

I think both incidents are consistent with my pre-existing perception of this problem. And that perception is that incidents like this are associated with the behavior of the people who end up getting shot. As you all know I am not a cop worshipper. But just about every time you see one of these "cops shoot a black guy" things the black guy did something to increase the probability that he would get shot.

If it was a white guy wearing a suit and the exact behavior was exhibited do you think it goes down the same way?

How about a woman?

How about an elderly person?

Appearance, gender, age, size, and race all play a roll.

[kalm]

If it was a white guy wearing a suit and the exact behavior was exhibited do you think it goes down the same way?

How about a woman?

How about an elderly person?

Appearance, gender, age, size, and race all play a roll.

Haven't you seen True Romance? Those are clearly Sicilians and everyone knows Sicilians are half black.

[CAA Flagship]

Haven't you seen True Romance? Those are clearly Sicilians and everyone knows Sicilians are half black.

Hell, I know that. I'm almost Sicilian. My grandparents are from just above the heel.

[JohnStOnge]

I think both incidents are consistent with my pre-existing perception of this problem. And that perception is that incidents like this are associated with the behavior of the people who end up getting shot. As you all know I am not a cop worshipper. But just about every time you see one of these "cops shoot a black guy" things the black guy did something to increase the probability that he would get shot.

If it was a white guy wearing a suit and the exact behavior was exhibited do you think it goes down the same way?

How about a woman?

How about an elderly person?

Appearance, gender, age, size, and race all play a roll.

White guy wearing a suit? Yes.

Woman? Possibly.

Elderly person? Probably not.

But I think it's a VERY good bet that if it was a large White guy dressed casually who refused to comply with police orders and did exactly what that guy did he also would've ended up getting shot by that female police officer. I don't think being Black was a significant factor.

[Ibanez]

Hmmm, you never watched horror movies as a kid...or those war movies, did you?

The guy guns down the monster/enemy, think it/he is dead, approaches the body..and suddenly, the body that really isn't dead ends up killing the guy.

All of the movie watchers say, "What a dumbass, I'd keep shooting until I ran out of ammo, then I'd reload and keep dumping more bullets into the body."

Rule # 1: Never approach something you've shot. Let it bleed out.

Rule #1 is Double Tap.


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I almost posted the same thing but figured the reference would be lost on Cluck.


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[Ibanez]

Protest is Live on Facebook. Not sure of the details but someone has been killed.


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[Skjellyfetti]

IF he has a gun, and is not complying to the commands, why give him a chance to fire the first shot? Tasers are not as accurate and not as quick acting. I can't blame an officer for shooting first under those circumstances. I would value my life over his if I were in that situation.

Well, first of all... you should know he has a gun before opening fire, right?


And, second... the Tulsa police department has said that the officer meant to use her taser... but, used her gun instead. They aren't saying that the guy was noncompliant, and therefore justifiably shot. They weren't saying he reached into his car and the officer shot thinking he was going to pull a gun on her.

They're saying she wanted to use her taser... but, used her gun instead.

I think that helps eliminate racism as any kind of reason (though, the officer on the radio saying he "looks like a bad dude" because he's a large black man doesn't help in that regard).

If I accidentally shoot and kill someone - I'm probably going to be charged with manslaughter. Cops need to be treated the same. None of the typical: "Ooops! We'll put her on 6 months paid administrative leave!! That'll teach her!"

The dude messed up by being non-compliant. The cop messed up.... far, far worse by accidentally shooting the guy.

But, for whatever reason you don't want to admit that the cop fucked up. Why is that?