NJ Raises Gas Tax by 23 Cents a Gallon

[Skjellyfetti]

I miss Wawa.

Was one right next door to my office in Williamsburg.

Which one? On 143 or the one across from W&M?

Across from W&M

This was my office

[Vidav]

It's not about jobs it's about a pointless law that only two states have. There is no reason to force you to let someone else pump your gas. If it's all about jobs why don't we also require that someone else wipe your ass for $10/hour? It creates jobs!!!

The law is in place because it is a fire hazard.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuZxFL9cGkI[/youtube]

No it's not. It's a stupid law that is only in two states. How many people start fires pumping their gas in the other 48 each year? Not enough for it to be a law.

[YoUDeeMan]

Where do I start? 1. Timing. 2. Magnitude (whatever happened to incrementalism) 3. Optics 4. What does lame-foie gras Christie get in return from the Donk legislature?

For motorists, the higher gas taxes could come in early October. But it will be offset somewhat by a reduction in the sales tax from 7 percent to 6.875 in 2017 and 6.625 percent in 2018.

The sales tax is part of a package of tax cuts the lawmakers agreed to in exchange for the first gas tax hike since 1988. The compromise struck Friday afternoon also eliminates the estate tax, eases taxes on retirement income, boosts the Earned Income Tax Credit for the working poor and creates a tax deduction for veterans.

Meh. I really haven't been following this, but from that part of the article, I see this as a tax hike that will be partially paid for by non-NJ residents. And offset by tax cuts that NJ residents can benefit from. It's not like NJ residents that live close to the border with PA and NY are going to buy their gas outside of NJ. Their gas tax rates are still higher.

I used to fill up in NJ every time we went up to NYC.

I can make it there and back in my vehicle, so I will be filling up in Delaware and NJ won't get a dime from me anymore...including the occasional snack.

It will be as though New Jersey doesn't exist anymore.

[Ivytalk]

Meh. I really haven't been following this, but from that part of the article, I see this as a tax hike that will be partially paid for by non-NJ residents. And offset by tax cuts that NJ residents can benefit from. It's not like NJ residents that live close to the border with PA and NY are going to buy their gas outside of NJ. Their gas tax rates are still higher.

I used to fill up in NJ every time we went up to NYC.

I can make it there and back in my vehicle, so I will be filling up in Delaware and NJ won't get a dime from me anymore...including the occasional snack.

It will be as though New Jersey doesn't exist anymore.

Except for the goddam tax-evading retirees.

[CAA Flagship]

The law is in place because it is a fire hazard.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuZxFL9cGkI[/youtube]

No it's not. It's a stupid law that is only in two states. How many people start fires pumping their gas in the other 48 each year? Not enough for it to be a law.

OK. You win.

[CAA Flagship]

Which one? On 143 or the one across from W&M?

Across from W&M

This was my office

You worked THERE? I think I pissed in those bushes several times after some late night drinking at the College Delly, Paul's, and Brickhouse.

j/k

I'm sure you know all the local ditch diggers. I worked with a couple over the years. Most recently it was Nick Luccketti from James River Institute. Also worked with people working near Jamestown Beach. I'm pretty sure it was your office that did all the work in the New Town development.

[Skjellyfetti]

Yeah, worked with Nick and JRI as well. Good people.

[Vidav]

No it's not. It's a stupid law that is only in two states. How many people start fires pumping their gas in the other 48 each year? Not enough for it to be a law.

OK. You win.

It just doesn't make sense. There is no reason for NJ and Oregon to continue with that practice.

[Vidav]

No it's not. It's a stupid law that is only in two states. How many people start fires pumping their gas in the other 48 each year? Not enough for it to be a law.

OK. You win.

In all seriousness, do you feel unsafe pumping your gas in Missouri?

[bluehenbillk]

This may have been the only reason left for even going into NJ. It's just a necessary evil when going to NY or north. I haven't been to a Jersey shore town this millennium.

[CAA Flagship]

OK. You win.

In all seriousness, do you feel unsafe pumping your gas in Missouri?

I know how to ground myself. Probably because I worked at a Hess station when I was in high school.
Believe what you want. You're crazy to think that not having to get out of the car, and hold a dirty, smelly, gas pump to fill your car, is a bad thing. I'm not sure why you are so militant about this. Is it because you think that it costs the consumer more? It's a small amount. Probably around 8 to 10 cents per gallon. But that cost is offset by state taxes that factor in the number of jobs that more than 3300 statewide gas stations provide. And proof of this is comparing the price of gas to neighboring states.

[93henfan]

Ground yourself? You actually perform a grounding procedure before pumping gas?

[CAA Flagship]

Ground yourself? You actually perform a grounding procedure before pumping gas?

Yes. It's a simple matter of touching metal on the car before grabbing the pump.
Look at that video I posted. It looks like she has gloves on. She also got back in her car and back out again after she started the pump. That sliding across the seat is what caused the static charge. (See warning sign below)

[SDHornet]

Wrong. Most states have raised theirs in the last few years.

Maybe so, I won't bother fact checking either of you on that one claim. But the truth is that gas taxes don't cover the infrastructure needs, at least in North Carolina. You either raise gas taxes, or look at other options like toll roads, etc. Wait until states start considering Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT's) as a funding option. Then people will really freak out.

This...oh and state gubmints squandering the gas tax funds on non-transportation related programs. Yay gubmint efficiency.

[93henfan]

I worked at a Hess station when I was in high school.

I miss Hess. They had good prices, decent gas, and the toy trucks were always a good Christmas present. Yes I know they still have the trucks online even though they don't have stations anymore.

[Ibanez]

I worked at a Hess station when I was in high school.

I miss Hess. They had good prices, decent gas, and the toy trucks were always a good Christmas present. Yes I know they still have the trucks online even though they don't have stations anymore.

They're now Speedway, right?

We have QuikTrip up here and they are quickly becoming a favorite.

[BDKJMU]

Neither Hess or Speedway are Top Tier gas. QT is:
http://www.toptiergas.com

[CAA Flagship]

I worked at a Hess station when I was in high school.

I miss Hess. They had good prices, decent gas, and the toy trucks were always a good Christmas present. Yes I know they still have the trucks online even though they don't have stations anymore.

Front page of local newspaper on June 8, 1979.
A young CAA Flagship in action wearing the "Hess Whites".

[Vidav]

In all seriousness, do you feel unsafe pumping your gas in Missouri?

I know how to ground myself. Probably because I worked at a Hess station when I was in high school.
Believe what you want. You're crazy to think that not having to get out of the car, and hold a dirty, smelly, gas pump to fill your car, is a bad thing. I'm not sure why you are so militant about this. Is it because you think that it costs the consumer more? It's a small amount. Probably around 8 to 10 cents per gallon. But that cost is offset by state taxes that factor in the number of jobs that more than 3300 statewide gas stations provide. And proof of this is comparing the price of gas to neighboring states.

No. I just like arguing with you about it.

But I do genuinely think it's stupid.

[YoUDeeMan]

It's a small amount. Probably around 8 to 10 cents per gallon. But that cost is offset by state taxes that factor in the number of jobs that more than 3300 statewide gas stations provide. And proof of this is comparing the price of gas to neighboring states.

What do you mean that the cost is offset by jobs?

Suppose everyone uses 15 gallons of gas per week. That would be a $1.50 tax per person per week.

By your logic, if we simply tax everyone $1.50 per week, we could create jobs for 3,300 businesses. So, why not tax everyone $15 per week and fund 33,000 businesses? Tax everyone $150 per week and the state could provide jobs for 330,000 businesses.

You are a genius!!! Let's tax everyone $1,500 per week and we'd create jobs for 3,300,000 businesses!!!!

And with that success, we should tax everyone $11,500 per week and there would be millions of new businesses!!!

Woo-hoo! With that many businesses, more people would have jobs that could pay for the taxes. We don't need private businesses...we just need more taxes and the businesses, and jobs, will follow!!!

[andy7171]

Hoooooooold on there, Baba Looey. Delaware has no room to talk about tolls.

http://thenewswheel.com/the-ten-most-ex ... n-america/

You'd have to be a complete idiot to pay the Delaware Turnpike toll when you can do the loop by Delaware stadium and grab a coffee at Wawa while completely skirting the tollbooths. Ten minute detour tops.

[andy7171]

I worked at a Hess station when I was in high school.

I miss Hess. They had good prices, decent gas, and the toy trucks were always a good Christmas present. Yes I know they still have the trucks online even though they don't have stations anymore.

I know of several Hess Stations. The Toy Trucks are awesome.

[CAA Flagship]

It's a small amount. Probably around 8 to 10 cents per gallon. But that cost is offset by state taxes that factor in the number of jobs that more than 3300 statewide gas stations provide. And proof of this is comparing the price of gas to neighboring states.

What do you mean that the cost is offset by jobs?

Suppose everyone uses 15 gallons of gas per week. That would be a $1.50 tax per person per week.

By your logic, if we simply tax everyone $1.50 per week, we could create jobs for 3,300 businesses. So, why not tax everyone $15 per week and fund 33,000 businesses? Tax everyone $150 per week and the state could provide jobs for 330,000 businesses.

You are a genius!!! Let's tax everyone $1,500 per week and we'd create jobs for 3,300,000 businesses!!!!

And with that success, we should tax everyone $11,500 per week and there would be millions of new businesses!!!

Woo-hoo! With that many businesses, more people would have jobs that could pay for the taxes. We don't need private businesses...we just need more taxes and the businesses, and jobs, will follow!!!

You went off the deep end here. I'll explain later. Haircut now.

[93henfan]

I miss Hess. They had good prices, decent gas, and the toy trucks were always a good Christmas present. Yes I know they still have the trucks online even though they don't have stations anymore.

I know of several Hess Stations. The Toy Trucks are awesome.

Hess got out of retail gas two years ago.

[andy7171]