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Nancy Pelosi: I don’t think Democrats want a new direction
WASHINGTON – Nancy Pelosi just gave Republicans another reason for celebration.

The newly elected Minority Leader insisted Sunday Dems aren’t looking for a “new direction” even after the bruising Election Day defeats and a GOP monopoly in Washington.

A defiant — and possibly delusional — Pelosi stood firm about her party’s future when pressed with what she’ll do differently to deal with Democrat discontent.

“I don’t think people want a new direction,” Pelosi told CBS’s “Face the Nation.” “Our values unify us and our values are about supporting America’s working families.”

Pelosi was reelected Democratic Leader last week after a surprising challenge from Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan who argued Dems must do more to speak to working class voters in the rust belt and not just coastal liberal elites. Pelosi batted back the threat to her reign with 134-63 vote win, and has since downplayed the dire straits for the Democratic Party as cyclical changes.

“Let me just put that in perspective,” Pelosi said. “When President Clinton was elected, Republicans came in big in the next election. When President Bush was president, we came in big in the subsequent election. When President Obama became president, the Republicans came in big in the next election.”

And losing the White House and control of Congress, she says, has a silver lining – because jobless DC Dems will go back to their home states to run for governor, state seats and build up the bench. :lol: :dunce:

“The states receive an infusion of talent,” Pelosi said. “President Obama, going out the office, sadly not having President Clinton come in. But those Democrats will go back, run for governor, run for congress, state legislatures, and the rest, and we will build up the numbers.”
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Baldy wrote:Nancy Pelosi: I don’t think Democrats want a new direction
WASHINGTON – Nancy Pelosi just gave Republicans another reason for celebration.

The newly elected Minority Leader insisted Sunday Dems aren’t looking for a “new direction” even after the bruising Election Day defeats and a GOP monopoly in Washington.

A defiant — and possibly delusional — Pelosi stood firm about her party’s future when pressed with what she’ll do differently to deal with Democrat discontent.

“I don’t think people want a new direction,” Pelosi told CBS’s “Face the Nation.” “Our values unify us and our values are about supporting America’s working families.”

Pelosi was reelected Democratic Leader last week after a surprising challenge from Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan who argued Dems must do more to speak to working class voters in the rust belt and not just coastal liberal elites. Pelosi batted back the threat to her reign with 134-63 vote win, and has since downplayed the dire straits for the Democratic Party as cyclical changes.

“Let me just put that in perspective,” Pelosi said. “When President Clinton was elected, Republicans came in big in the next election. When President Bush was president, we came in big in the subsequent election. When President Obama became president, the Republicans came in big in the next election.”

And losing the White House and control of Congress, she says, has a silver lining – because jobless DC Dems will go back to their home states to run for governor, state seats and build up the bench. :lol: :dunce:

“The states receive an infusion of talent,” Pelosi said. “President Obama, going out the office, sadly not having President Clinton come in. But those Democrats will go back, run for governor, run for congress, state legislatures, and the rest, and we will build up the numbers.”
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See ya around, Donks. :cry:
No shit. She is the absolute fucking worst. What an out of touch idiot leading an army of out of touch idiots.... :lol:
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kalm wrote:
Baldy wrote:Nancy Pelosi: I don’t think Democrats want a new direction


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No ****. She is the absolute **** worst. What an out of touch idiot leading an army of out of touch idiots.... :lol:
Granted, I'm not a fan, but I would say that Harry Reid was far worse than Pelosi ever was. Reid was actually effective and doing what he was doing to gum up the Senate - Pelosi has never been that effective of a Speaker or Minority Leader to be more than a nuisance.

You gotta wonder about the rest of the Democrats in the House right now. I get it, most of them are from CA, NY, and MA, so they probably do like Pelosi. But from the time she took over in what, 2004 or so, the steady loss of power by the Dems in Congress, and the House especially, is almost without its equal in all of American history. And yet they keep propping her up as the standard bearer. The Washington Generals are her closest equivalence and even the Globetrotters eventually dropped them.
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kalm wrote: No shit. She is the absolute fucking worst. What an out of touch idiot leading an army of out of touch idiots.... :lol:
This sums it up well...now do you get what I said when I said that donks are "doubling down on what just lost them the 2016 election." :lol:
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Pelosi has a nice old-lady rack. I'll give her that.
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Baldy wrote:Nancy Pelosi: I don’t think Democrats want a new direction
WASHINGTON – Nancy Pelosi just gave Republicans another reason for celebration.

The newly elected Minority Leader insisted Sunday Dems aren’t looking for a “new direction” even after the bruising Election Day defeats and a GOP monopoly in Washington.

A defiant — and possibly delusional — Pelosi stood firm about her party’s future when pressed with what she’ll do differently to deal with Democrat discontent.

“I don’t think people want a new direction,” Pelosi told CBS’s “Face the Nation.” “Our values unify us and our values are about supporting America’s working families.”

Pelosi was reelected Democratic Leader last week after a surprising challenge from Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan who argued Dems must do more to speak to working class voters in the rust belt and not just coastal liberal elites. Pelosi batted back the threat to her reign with 134-63 vote win, and has since downplayed the dire straits for the Democratic Party as cyclical changes.

“Let me just put that in perspective,” Pelosi said. “When President Clinton was elected, Republicans came in big in the next election. When President Bush was president, we came in big in the subsequent election. When President Obama became president, the Republicans came in big in the next election.”

And losing the White House and control of Congress, she says, has a silver lining – because jobless DC Dems will go back to their home states to run for governor, state seats and build up the bench. :lol: :dunce:

“The states receive an infusion of talent,” Pelosi said. “President Obama, going out the office, sadly not having President Clinton come in. But those Democrats will go back, run for governor, run for congress, state legislatures, and the rest, and we will build up the numbers.”
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See ya around, Donks. :cry:
God bless her. With an attitude like that I hope she's around for a long time! ;) :lol:
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93henfan wrote:Pelosi has a nice old-lady rack. I'll give her that.
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Pretty long read...
"Democrats in the Wilderness
Inside a decimated party’s not-so-certain revival strategy.

.....What’s clear from interviews with several dozen top Democratic politicians and operatives at all levels, however, is that there is no comeback strategy—just a collection of half-formed ideas, all of them challenged by reality. And for whatever scheme they come up with, Democrats don’t even have a flag-carrier. Barack Obama? He doesn’t want the job. Hillary Clinton? Too damaged. Bernie Sanders? Too socialist. Joe Biden? Too tied to Obama. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer? Too Washington. Elizabeth Warren? Maybe. And all of them old, old, old.

The Democrats’ desolation is staggering. But part of the problem is that it’s easy to point to signs that maybe things aren’t so bad. After all, Clinton did beat Trump by 2.8 million votes, Obama’s approval rating is nearly 60 percent, polls show Democrats way ahead of the GOP on many issues and demographics suggest that gap will only grow. But they are stuck in the minority in Congress with no end in sight, have only 16 governors left and face 32 state legislatures fully under GOP control. Their top leaders in the House are all over 70. Their top leaders in the Senate are all over 60. Under Obama, Democrats have lost 1,034 seats at the state and federal level—there’s no bench, no bench for a bench, virtually no one able to speak for the party as a whole.....

..Problem No. 1: Message..
..Problem No. 2: The Politics of Obstruction
It’s been 10 years since Democrats didn’t control at least one wing of the federal government, and a lot of them, argues Ruben Gallego, an Arizona Democrat elected to the House in 2014, have forgotten what that’s like...
..Problem No. 3: The Midterms
Schumer and Van Hollen have a complex calculus ahead of them, driven not only by the need to keep the party base energized against Trump, but also the reality that 10 of their incumbents come from states Trump won and may often align with the president for their own survival. Senate Democrats were facing a terrible 2018 map before Trump, with 25 seats up for grabs, and their prospects have gotten notably worse, with races in already difficult spots like Missouri, North Dakota and West Virginia as the baseline, and potentially new territory opened up in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, after Trump’s wins there. Republicans are defending eight seats, but only one in a state Clinton won.
..Problem No. 4: The Obama Legacy..
..Problem No. 5: Trump...."
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I'll just add that people were writing off the fractured Republican party six months ago. It doesn't take long to recover.

And as demonstrated by Democrat behavior this week, God help us when they return to power. They truly are, as Trump eloquently stated to Mrs. Clinton's face, such nasty people. To have a third of your delegation boycotting a Presidential Inauguration tells you all you need to know about how much they care about our country as a whole.
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Donk news conference today:
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:rofl: :rofl: :lol: :lol: With these clowns as the face of the donk party the conks have nothing to worry about..
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GannonFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
No ****. She is the absolute **** worst. What an out of touch idiot leading an army of out of touch idiots.... :lol:
Granted, I'm not a fan, but I would say that Harry Reid was far worse than Pelosi ever was. Reid was actually effective and doing what he was doing to gum up the Senate - Pelosi has never been that effective of a Speaker or Minority Leader to be more than a nuisance.

You gotta wonder about the rest of the Democrats in the House right now. I get it, most of them are from CA, NY, and MA, so they probably do like Pelosi. But from the time she took over in what, 2004 or so, the steady loss of power by the Dems in Congress, and the House especially, is almost without its equal in all of American history. And yet they keep propping her up as the standard bearer. The Washington Generals are her closest equivalence and even the Globetrotters eventually dropped them.
This.

She's hyperpolitical and annoying as hell, but she's a true believer and I can respect that. From what I've gathered she's also a pretty nice person.

Not so Harry Reid- he's a first class scumbag and he deserves whatever bad fortune that comes his way in retirement. He is personally responsible for a significant amount of polarization on the Hill.
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CID1990 wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Granted, I'm not a fan, but I would say that Harry Reid was far worse than Pelosi ever was. Reid was actually effective and doing what he was doing to gum up the Senate - Pelosi has never been that effective of a Speaker or Minority Leader to be more than a nuisance.

You gotta wonder about the rest of the Democrats in the House right now. I get it, most of them are from CA, NY, and MA, so they probably do like Pelosi. But from the time she took over in what, 2004 or so, the steady loss of power by the Dems in Congress, and the House especially, is almost without its equal in all of American history. And yet they keep propping her up as the standard bearer. The Washington Generals are her closest equivalence and even the Globetrotters eventually dropped them.
This.

She's hyperpolitical and annoying as hell, but she's a true believer and I can respect that. From what I've gathered she's also a pretty nice person with nice old lady cans.

Not so Harry Reid- he's a first class scumbag and he deserves whatever bad fortune that comes his way in retirement. He is personally responsible for a significant amount of polarization on the Hill.
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Guys, the Democrats will be fine in the long term. Ups and downs happen. During the first Obama term the Democrats controlled the Presidency, the Senate, and the Congress, That's why we have the Affordable Care Act. Things changed.

But the underlying Demographic trends do not bode well for the Republicans for the long term. They just don't. You have to be in denial not to recognize that.
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JohnStOnge wrote:Guys, the Democrats will be fine in the long term. Ups and downs happen. During the first Obama term the Democrats controlled the Presidency, the Senate, and the Congress, That's why we have the Affordable Care Act. Things changed.

But the underlying Demographic trends do not bode well for the Republicans for the long term. They just don't. You have to be in denial not to recognize that.
John, the Democratic party is on the precipice. It could survive and thrive with the changing demographics or it could eat itself from the inside out with a takeover by far left radicals. Establishment Dems have paid condescending lip service to these elements for years (just as the Reps did to the Tea Party and their like). Changing demographics favor the Dems on the surface but there are underlying tensions that they shouldn't ignore. All of their special interests do not share the same goals and if a small cadre of more active special interest groups take over it's going to drive some of the others away. They're going to have a lot of party sympathizers wondering where they fit.

The next 4-8 years are going to be extremely interesting.
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UNI88 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:Guys, the Democrats will be fine in the long term. Ups and downs happen. During the first Obama term the Democrats controlled the Presidency, the Senate, and the Congress, That's why we have the Affordable Care Act. Things changed.

But the underlying Demographic trends do not bode well for the Republicans for the long term. They just don't. You have to be in denial not to recognize that.
John, the Democratic party is on the precipice. It could survive and thrive with the changing demographics or it could eat itself from the inside out with a takeover by far left radicals. Establishment Dems have paid condescending lip service to these elements for years (just as the Reps did to the Tea Party and their like). Changing demographics favor the Dems on the surface but there are underlying tensions that they shouldn't ignore. All of their special interests do not share the same goals and if a small cadre of more active special interest groups take over it's going to drive some of the others away. They're going to have a lot of party sympathizers wondering where they fit.

The next 4-8 years are going to be extremely interesting.
Define radical left policies.

I think the establishment (i.e. moderates like Hillary) has hurt the left as well through elitism and a disregard for populism.
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93henfan wrote: And as demonstrated by Democrat behavior this week, God help us when they return to power. They truly are, as Trump eloquently stated to Mrs. Clinton's face, such nasty people. To have a third of your delegation boycotting a Presidential Inauguration tells you all you need to know about how much they care about our country as a whole.
Oh please... :rofl:

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Chizzang wrote:
93henfan wrote: And as demonstrated by Democrat behavior this week, God help us when they return to power. They truly are, as Trump eloquently stated to Mrs. Clinton's face, such nasty people. To have a third of your delegation boycotting a Presidential Inauguration tells you all you need to know about how much they care about our country as a whole.
Oh please... :rofl:

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Trump got elected specifically because he wasn't a Republican
The Republicans in office HATED HIM unanimously

This idea that Democrats and Republicans are soooo different
like one group or the other has the higher moral ground and less idiots

Jeezus I thought we were already past this
Given that this White House is so damn leaky over the last couple weeks I'd say there are some of those Trump hating Republicans right under his nose (the ones he hired)
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kalm wrote:
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John, the Democratic party is on the precipice. It could survive and thrive with the changing demographics or it could eat itself from the inside out with a takeover by far left radicals. Establishment Dems have paid condescending lip service to these elements for years (just as the Reps did to the Tea Party and their like). Changing demographics favor the Dems on the surface but there are underlying tensions that they shouldn't ignore. All of their special interests do not share the same goals and if a small cadre of more active special interest groups take over it's going to drive some of the others away. They're going to have a lot of party sympathizers wondering where they fit.

The next 4-8 years are going to be extremely interesting.
Define radical left policies.

I think the establishment (i.e. moderates like Hillary) has hurt the left as well through elitism and a disregard for populism.
Why do I need to define radical left policies? I agree that establishment Democrats have hurt the left (just as establishment Republicans have hurt the right). But from my perspective the problem with the radicals on both sides is that they sure they are in right and are unwilling to listen to or respect the opinions and positions of those who disagree. You've seen it with the Tea Partiers in Congress and it's going to become a bigger issue moving forward until the voters in the middle get sick of it and vote the radicals out.

JSO and others look at things from a 10,000 foot perspective and believe that changing demographics spell doom for the Republicans while ignoring all of the other variables and connections that will impact politics going forward. The Democratic Party is a big tent with lots of constituencies that don't always agree. Favoring one constituency over another puts the spurned constituency at risk to look for an alternative that more closely aligns with their views (see white union members who helped Trump carry key states, the Dems started the process of losing these voters under Bill Clinton with NAFTA and Hilary sealed the deal with her support of TPP). Minorities, women, etc. are not monolithic blocks that the Democrats can count on forever. African Americans do get upset over having to "share" affirmative action policy goals with Hispanics and other minorities. The wives of white males who are marginalized and demonized as the root cause of many or all of our troubles might not take kindly to how their husbands are being portrayed or treated.
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Seeing as almost 30% of Team Brown and almost 10% of Team Black voted red, I think it's obvious JSO is wrong (shocker). However its up to the conks to make further inroads with those demographics...something an improved economy can easily accomplish. :coffee:
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SDHornet wrote:Seeing as almost 30% of Team Brown and almost 10% of Team Black voted red, I think it's obvious JSO is wrong (shocker). However its up to the conks to make further inroads with those demographics...something an improved economy can easily accomplish. :coffee:
Yup.

Make America Great Again and improve the economy and the Johnson (D) quip, "I'll have those niggers voting Democrat for 200 years" will fall on deaf ears.

Of course, kkklean and that Latina kook on CNN will still be burdened by the racist chains in their own minds while Chicago and Obama's legacy will burn down.
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All the media attacks on Trump and rioting in the streets and complaining about this or that on social media, has probably confirmed to Trump voters, that they chose the right person. It's harder to gain support for your side when your Presidential Candidate campaigned on Donald is qualified, and continue to push the Donald isn't qualified story. Besides voting against Hillary, Trump made promises, many outrageous, but he made promises. 4 years of Donald isn't qualified, is not going to gain the Donks many new votes in 2020.
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93henfan wrote:I'll just add that people were writing off the fractured Republican party six months ago. It doesn't take long to recover.

And as demonstrated by Democrat behavior this week, God help us when they return to power. They truly are, as Trump eloquently stated to Mrs. Clinton's face, such nasty people. To have a third of your delegation boycotting a Presidential Inauguration tells you all you need to know about how much they care about our country as a whole.
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Nasty as they are they may have to hold back on the coming treason investigations or risk Paul Ryan becoming President....tough call.

Anybody think Trump will survive bringing traitors to the highest levels of government?
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Gil Dobie wrote:All the media attacks on Trump and rioting in the streets and complaining about this or that on social media, has probably confirmed to Trump voters, that they chose the right person. It's harder to gain support for your side when your Presidential Candidate campaigned on Donald is qualified, and continue to push the Donald isn't qualified story. Besides voting against Hillary, Trump made promises, many outrageous, but he made promises. 4 years of Donald isn't qualified, is not going to gain the Donks many new votes in 2020.
lol...hold the presses.....treason scandal on aisle five... :lol:


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93henfan wrote:I'll just add that people were writing off the fractured Republican party six months ago. It doesn't take long to recover.

And as demonstrated by Democrat behavior this week, God help us when they return to power. They truly are, as Trump eloquently stated to Mrs. Clinton's face, such nasty people. To have a third of your delegation boycotting a Presidential Inauguration tells you all you need to know about how much they care about our country as a whole.
If that's how you want to spin it.... :shock:

How does having your treasonous national security advisor resign in disgrace equal "recover"? :?
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93henfan wrote:I'll just add that people were writing off the fractured Republican party six months ago. It doesn't take long to recover.

And as demonstrated by Democrat behavior this week, God help us when they return to power. They truly are, as Trump eloquently stated to Mrs. Clinton's face, such nasty people. To have a third of your delegation boycotting a Presidential Inauguration tells you all you need to know about how much they care about our country as a whole.
Somebody call the EMS to dispatch a waaaaaaaaambulance... :rofl:
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