Mega-Leak: Transcripts of Trump's foreign leader phone calls emerge

[CID1990]

West Virginia, populated by hardscrabble Scots Irish hicks, who, wanting nothing to do with a war to maintain the institution of slavery, "seceded" from Virginia and became a part of the Union.

Excoriated by Southerners for years, who then handed off the superior scorn baton to liberal coastal elites

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[Chizzang]

West Virginia, populated by hardscrabble Scots Irish hicks, who, wanting nothing to do with a war to maintain the institution of slavery, "seceded" from Virginia and became a part of the Union.

Excoriated by Southerners for years, who then handed off the superior scorn baton to liberal coastal elites

Like Clitz

Well then,
I'm just fulfilling my duty
and according to Jefferson Davis "Duty" is the bestest word in the whole word thing
(I'm paraphrasing the quote but that's the gist of it)

[CID1990]

West Virginia, populated by hardscrabble Scots Irish hicks, who, wanting nothing to do with a war to maintain the institution of slavery, "seceded" from Virginia and became a part of the Union.

Excoriated by Southerners for years, who then handed off the superior scorn baton to liberal coastal elites

Like Clitz

Well then,
I'm just fulfilling my duty
and according to Jefferson Davis "Duty" is the bestest word in the whole word thing
(I'm paraphrasing the quote but that's the gist of it)

It wasn't Jefferson Davis who said duty is the sublimest word.

Bruce Catton you ain't



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[JohnStOnge]

If you voted for Trump, you are a **** idiot.

That's a natural immediate conclusion. But the truth is that some highly intelligent people voted for Trump. Not most highly intelligent people. I think that the overwhelming majority of those above the top of the average range of the intelligence distribution voted for Hillary. But millions of highly intelligent people did.

So the way I put it is that people who voted for Trump did a stupid thing. Whether a given Trump voter was stupid or intelligent, they did a stupid thing.

[Chizzang]

Well then,
I'm just fulfilling my duty
and according to Jefferson Davis "Duty" is the bestest word in the whole word thing
(I'm paraphrasing the quote but that's the gist of it)

It wasn't Jefferson Davis who said duty is the sublimest word.

Bruce Catton you ain't

Duty is about as sublime a word as Bitch...
But when you're trying to convince people to die for you
it better take on some nuances beyond "Run over there and die real quick"

[CID1990]

It wasn't Jefferson Davis who said duty is the sublimest word.

Bruce Catton you ain't

Duty is about as sublime a word as Bitch...
But when you're trying to convince people to die for you
it better take on some nuances beyond "Run over there and die real quick"

that was a clumsy change of gears


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[BDKJMU]

Another area where the Trump team screwed up on back in Jan- they should have fired every Obama WH holdover on Day 1 They had dozens still in the WH for several months. Not even sure if they are all gone yet..And they should have fired every high level Obama political appointee across govt in the 1st days/weeks. Not months..

[kalm]

Another area where the Trump team screwed up on back in Jan- they should have fired every Obama WH holdover on Day 1 They had dozens still in the WH for several months. Not even sure if they are all gone yet..And they should have fired every high level Obama political appointee across govt in the 1st days/weeks. Not months..

Probably but Trump doesn't have a big enough family or circle of friends.

[BDKJMU]

Another area where the Trump team screwed up on back in Jan- they should have fired every Obama WH holdover on Day 1 They had dozens still in the WH for several months. Not even sure if they are all gone yet..And they should have fired every high level Obama political appointee across govt in the 1st days/weeks. Not months..

Probably but Trump doesn't have a big enough family or circle of friends.

Doesn't matter. Fire them all in the 1st days/weeks. Can get their replacements in place later.

[JohnStOnge]

Interesting that Trump supporters focus on the issue of leaks instead of on the fact that Trump was conning them the whole time. Not that that should be a surprise. But it's pretty much a smoking gun on Trump just bullshitting them.

But for some reason they don't care. It reminds me of a woman in an abusive relationship who gets the shit beat out of her every other day but finds a way to rationalize it away. "He really loves me." That kind of thing.

[GannonFan]

Interesting that Trump supporters focus on the issue of leaks instead of on the fact that Trump was conning them the whole time. Not that that should be a surprise. But it's pretty much a smoking gun on Trump just bullshitting them.

But for some reason they don't care. It reminds me of a woman in an abusive relationship who gets the **** beat out of her every other day but finds a way to rationalize it away. "He really loves me." That kind of thing.

Same can be said of Hillary supporters like yourself - the focus was on the leaking of the e-mails and who did it (OMG, the Russians!!!) rather than the smoking gun that DNC elites were fixing elections and it was perhaps the biggest formalized pay for play scheme ever rigged. Were you abused???

[HI54UNI]

Interesting that Trump supporters focus on the issue of leaks instead of on the fact that Trump was conning them the whole time. Not that that should be a surprise. But it's pretty much a smoking gun on Trump just bullshitting them.

But for some reason they don't care. It reminds me of a woman in an abusive relationship who gets the **** beat out of her every other day but finds a way to rationalize it away. "He really loves me." That kind of thing.

Same can be said of Hillary supporters like yourself - the focus was on the leaking of the e-mails and who did it (OMG, the Russians!!!) rather than the smoking gun that DNC elites were fixing elections and it was perhaps the biggest formalized pay for play scheme ever rigged. Were you abused???

Spoiler: show

Place your bets! How many characters will be in JSO's defense of Hillary?

I predict 693.

[Grizalltheway]

Same can be said of Hillary supporters like yourself - the focus was on the leaking of the e-mails and who did it (OMG, the Russians!!!) rather than the smoking gun that DNC elites were fixing elections and it was perhaps the biggest formalized pay for play scheme ever rigged. Were you abused???

Spoiler: show

Place your bets! How many characters will be in JSO's defense of Hillary?

I predict 693.

You mean how many words?

[JohnStOnge]

Interesting that Trump supporters focus on the issue of leaks instead of on the fact that Trump was conning them the whole time. Not that that should be a surprise. But it's pretty much a smoking gun on Trump just bullshitting them.

But for some reason they don't care. It reminds me of a woman in an abusive relationship who gets the **** beat out of her every other day but finds a way to rationalize it away. "He really loves me." That kind of thing.

Same can be said of Hillary supporters like yourself - the focus was on the leaking of the e-mails and who did it (OMG, the Russians!!!) rather than the smoking gun that DNC elites were fixing elections and it was perhaps the biggest formalized pay for play scheme ever rigged. Were you abused???

Actually the Democratic Primary elections weren't fixed. The results of the Democratic primaries were generally consistent with the polls. In fact the only times the results deviated from the polls Sanders won. Polling consistently indicated that a substantial majority of people who voted in Democratic primaries, for better or for worse, wanted Clinton to be the nominee.

Clinton won the Democratic nomination because that's what most people who voted in Democratic primaries wanted. It wasn't because anything was "fixed."

To the extent that I "focus" on the e mails I say that they were a factor in the overall results. Were they a big enough factor to make the difference between winning and losing? I don't know. But they were a factor.

What we're talking about here is a smoking gun showing that Trump was conning people with all that "wall" crap. That's not a surprise to me. He's a con man. It's what he does. But now, due to this leak, his supporters SHOULD be able to tell that they were bering conned.

But instead of being upset about being conned they are upset that someone told them about it.

[BDKJMU]

Same can be said of Hillary supporters like yourself - the focus was on the leaking of the e-mails and who did it (OMG, the Russians!!!) rather than the smoking gun that DNC elites were fixing elections and it was perhaps the biggest formalized pay for play scheme ever rigged. Were you abused???

Actually the Democratic Primary elections weren't fixed. The results of the Democratic primaries were generally consistent with the polls. In fact the only times the results deviated from the polls Sanders won. Polling consistently indicated that a substantial majority of people who voted in Democratic primaries, for better or for worse, wanted Clinton to be the nominee.

Clinton won the Democratic nomination because that's what most people who voted in Democratic primaries wanted. It wasn't because anything was "fixed."

To the extent that I "focus" on the e mails I say that they were a factor in the overall results. Were they a big enough factor to make the difference between winning and losing? I don't know. But they were a factor.

What we're talking about here is a smoking gun showing that Trump was conning people with all that "wall" crap. That's not a surprise to me. He's a con man. It's what he does. But now, due to this leak, his supporters SHOULD be able to tell that they were bering conned.

But instead of being upset about being conned they are upset that someone told them about it.

The donk primaries are rigged because of the Super Delegates. It essentially ends the race before they go to the polls in a large # (if not a majority) of states. If you're a Sanders supporter in a state that votes later in the primaries, why go to the polls if you know the race is already over because most of the Super Delegates committing early to Clinton?

[Skjellyfetti]

Super Delegates were behind Clinton in 2008 as well. Obama still beat her.

[BDKJMU]

Super Delegates were behind Clinton in 2008 as well. Obama still beat her.

According to this:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/ ... arackobama
as of Feb 22, 08', with 28 states down, of the 795 Superdelegates
241 Clinton
181 Obama
Which would have left 373 undeclared..

2016, held later, were only 4 states in Feb, 27 states done by the March 15 primaries. According to wiki, Clinton had a Super Delegate lead of 320.

So
2008 after 28 states Clinton had a Super delegate lead of 60
2016 after 27 states Clinton had a Super delegate lead of 320.

Not comparable. Bottom line is the the use of Super delegates is a rigging of the system.

[Skjellyfetti]

Yeah, the super delegates moved to Obama as he beat Hillary.

In December 2007, Clinton had 169 super delegates and Obama had 63.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/12/02 ... gates.html

By mid-February, there had already been 36 primaries... Obama was beating Hillary... and super delegates followed.

The difference is that Obama outperformed Sanders in the primaries. If Bernie won ever single super delegate... he still would have lost...

[houndawg]

Same can be said of Hillary supporters like yourself - the focus was on the leaking of the e-mails and who did it (OMG, the Russians!!!) rather than the smoking gun that DNC elites were fixing elections and it was perhaps the biggest formalized pay for play scheme ever rigged. Were you abused???

Actually the Democratic Primary elections weren't fixed. The results of the Democratic primaries were generally consistent with the polls. In fact the only times the results deviated from the polls Sanders won. Polling consistently indicated that a substantial majority of people who voted in Democratic primaries, for better or for worse, wanted Clinton to be the nominee.

Clinton won the Democratic nomination because that's what most people who voted in Democratic primaries wanted. It wasn't because anything was "fixed."

To the extent that I "focus" on the e mails I say that they were a factor in the overall results. Were they a big enough factor to make the difference between winning and losing? I don't know. But they were a factor.

What we're talking about here is a smoking gun showing that Trump was conning people with all that "wall" crap. That's not a surprise to me. He's a con man. It's what he does. But now, due to this leak, his supporters SHOULD be able to tell that they were bering conned.

But instead of being upset about being conned they are upset that someone told them about it.

c

It was fixed in the sense that Bernie was only supposed to be window dressing to make the annointing look like a contest.

[BDKJMU]

Yeah, the super delegates moved to Obama as he beat Hillary.

In December 2007, Clinton had 169 super delegates and Obama had 63.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/12/02 ... gates.html

By mid-February, there had already been 36 primaries... Obama was beating Hillary... and super delegates followed.

The difference is that Obama outperformed Sanders in the primaries. If Bernie won ever single super delegate... he still would have lost...

If the Super Delegates made it look like it was over at halftime, then a lot of his supporters wouldn't have bothered to come out in the 2nd half.

If the Super delegate system by itself isn't rigging the system, it is at a minimum tilting the playing field. Combine the Super Delegate system with the entire DNC apparatus being behind Clinton in 2016 (which was shown by the Wikileaks dump of 20k+ DNC e-mails) it made it virtually impossible that Sanders would win. That is rigging the system.

Your own DNC chair Tom Perez:
“We heard loudly and clearly yesterday from Bernie supporters that the process was rigged, and it was. And you’ve got to be honest about it. That’s why we need a chair who is transparent.”......"
http://observer.com/2017/02/dnc-chair-c ... es-rigged/

Then he later tried to walk back his moment of honesty, claiming that he misspoke..

[Chizzang]

[GannonFan]

Same can be said of Hillary supporters like yourself - the focus was on the leaking of the e-mails and who did it (OMG, the Russians!!!) rather than the smoking gun that DNC elites were fixing elections and it was perhaps the biggest formalized pay for play scheme ever rigged. Were you abused???

Actually the Democratic Primary elections weren't fixed. The results of the Democratic primaries were generally consistent with the polls. In fact the only times the results deviated from the polls Sanders won. Polling consistently indicated that a substantial majority of people who voted in Democratic primaries, for better or for worse, wanted Clinton to be the nominee.

Clinton won the Democratic nomination because that's what most people who voted in Democratic primaries wanted. It wasn't because anything was "fixed."

To the extent that I "focus" on the e mails I say that they were a factor in the overall results. Were they a big enough factor to make the difference between winning and losing? I don't know. But they were a factor.

What we're talking about here is a smoking gun showing that Trump was conning people with all that "wall" crap. That's not a surprise to me. He's a con man. It's what he does. But now, due to this leak, his supporters SHOULD be able to tell that they were bering conned.

But instead of being upset about being conned they are upset that someone told them about it.

Stop it, although truth be told, you can't really embarrass yourself any further. The DNC rigged the primary for Hillary, and there's roughly 20k emails detailing it. Feeding Hillary debate questions, changing the rules in certain states, etc. The DNC clearly wanted Hillary and they did what they had to to make sure it happened.

[JohnStOnge]

Guys, on the Democratic Primary thing:

Yes, the Democrats have the Super Delegates. The Republicans would be smart to do it as well. Maybe that way they could reduce the odds of having future situations in which an atrocity like Trump gets the nomination.

But, regardless, Clinton was clearly favored by a substantial majority of Democrats from the very beginning. When I go to RCP now I can't get the polls in a search but my recollection is she was ALWAYS in or near the double digits ahead of him when it came to asking Democrats who they wanted as their nominee. Clinton is who the majority of Democrats wanted.

I think that was a questionable position. I think all indications were that Sanders would've been a stronger candidate in the general election. But Clinton is who the Democrats wanted.

The idea that "rigging" the system created a situation in which someone who otherwise would have been nominated wasn't is nonsense.

[kalm]

Guys, on the Democratic Primary thing:

Yes, the Democrats have the Super Delegates. The Republicans would be smart to do it as well. Maybe that way they could reduce the odds of having future situations in which an atrocity like Trump gets the nomination.

But, regardless, Clinton was clearly favored by a substantial majority of Democrats from the very beginning. When I go to RCP now I can't get the polls in a search but my recollection is she was ALWAYS in or near the double digits ahead of him when it came to asking Democrats who they wanted as their nominee. Clinton is who the majority of Democrats wanted.

I think that was a questionable position. I think all indications were that Sanders would've been a stronger candidate in the general election. But Clinton is who the Democrats wanted.

The idea that "rigging" the system created a situation in which someone who otherwise would have been nominated wasn't is nonsense.

Read Gannon's post and go research some articles. You're wrong.

[Ivytalk]

Guys, on the Democratic Primary thing:

Yes, the Democrats have the Super Delegates. The Republicans would be smart to do it as well. Maybe that way they could reduce the odds of having future situations in which an atrocity like Trump gets the nomination.

Are you kidding me? The Republicans have enough problems without super delegates. Can you imagine the likes of McConnell, McCain, and other establishment types making sure that no Amash or Mike Lee type of "small government" Republican sees the light of day? Have you seen what the Chinless Wonder is doing in the Alabama Senate primary for the special election to succeed Sessions? It ain't pretty. Drumpf will get a toady in that seat. The Big Orange is just another part of the swamp now.