Why are AR-15 weapons Ok?

[GannonFan]

No need to get snippy - not scoring any political points here - genuinely wanted to know more about the AR-15 and what it can and can't be used for and really, if that gun was allowing people to be more deadly when a shooting occurs. From this thread, it seems very likely that it doesn't and that run of the mill handguns could and would do the same harm. I'm fully aware of the AWB and the complete ineffectiveness with regards to controlling guns.

So, why the question specifically about AR-15s? It’s not the weapon, but the bullet that is deadly...the bullet can be delivered by a variety of platforms...

There are AR-15 pistols...and 9mm rifles...

Because the media focus and the liberal outrage always seems to be focused on the AR-15 (and because the mass shooters have tended to use that weapon) and because the retired Colonel up for the Pentagon job specifically referred to the AR-15 when he said it was "insane" that people can buy this. I wanted to know if the concern relative this gun, compared to a semi automatic handgun, was legit or if it was just hoopla over what the gun looks like and, thanks to the comments here, it looks like the latter - all hoopla.

[GannonFan]

The inhumane argument is comical in a state that allows bow hunting too.

What would you rather be executed with if you were sentenced to death by bow or AR?

I agree - I think the real concern is the range of the AR-15 and the .223 - an errant shot would go further than what you are allowed to hunt with in the area, and would be more of a concern with more people and less topography to stop the shot. Or so says my colleague on the other side of the cubicle who hunts, both bow and shotgun, told me this morning.

[grizzaholic]

The inhumane argument is comical in a state that allows bow hunting too.

What would you rather be executed with if you were sentenced to death by bow or AR?

I agree - I think the real concern is the range of the AR-15 and the .223 - an errant shot would go further than what you are allowed to hunt with in the area, and would be more of a concern with more people and less topography to stop the shot. Or so says my colleague on the other side of the cubicle who hunts, both bow and shotgun, told me this morning.

FUCK ME.

Don't be a fucking tool.

Fuck this stupid shitty topic. You people that ask questions only to drum up shit are dummies. Oh...the big bad .223. What about the .222 or the .224? What about the .22-250? or the .17? Heaven forbid we begin the discussion about regular big game rifles....7mm's, 300's, 325's.....and I don't want to hear a fucking word about the big guns that start at .375 H&H and up... Your cubical mate is a cunt.

[HI54UNI]

So, why the question specifically about AR-15s? It’s not the weapon, but the bullet that is deadly...the bullet can be delivered by a variety of platforms...

There are AR-15 pistols...and 9mm rifles...

Because the media focus and the liberal outrage always seems to be focused on the AR-15 (and because the mass shooters have tended to use that weapon) and because the retired Colonel up for the Pentagon job specifically referred to the AR-15 when he said it was "insane" that people can buy this. I wanted to know if the concern relative this gun, compared to a semi automatic handgun, was legit or if it was just hoopla over what the gun looks like and, thanks to the comments here, it looks like the latter - all hoopla.

It sounds like the retired Colonel is either 1) an idiot, or 2) trying to suck up to certain people to get a job. Or both 1 & 2.

[bandl]

Here's what .223 and 9mm actually due to human tissue-like ballistic gel.

I'm not volunteering to stand in front of either, but if I was forced to, I'd pick 9mm:

9mm

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.223

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My one and only post on this thread.

Bullet types vary greatly in the damage they do.
Distance will yield either greater or smaller wound channels like they did above...10 feet, really 93? really?

Oh, and 93, if you plan on getting shot with a 9mm, I would want something other than a Hornady XTP...just sayin.

LIAR

[grizzaholic]

My one and only post on this thread.

Bullet types vary greatly in the damage they do.
Distance will yield either greater or smaller wound channels like they did above...10 feet, really 93? really?

Oh, and 93, if you plan on getting shot with a 9mm, I would want something other than a Hornady XTP...just sayin.

LIAR

Eat my ass

[grizzaholic]

Also Gannon...Don't go using a .50 BMG to hunt in an area that is 10 square acres. But this topic is dumb. Blame the big bad AR because it is black...


I think this whole topic is Racist.

[Col Hogan]

Because the media focus and the liberal outrage always seems to be focused on the AR-15 (and because the mass shooters have tended to use that weapon) and because the retired Colonel up for the Pentagon job specifically referred to the AR-15 when he said it was "insane" that people can buy this. I wanted to know if the concern relative this gun, compared to a semi automatic handgun, was legit or if it was just hoopla over what the gun looks like and, thanks to the comments here, it looks like the latter - all hoopla.

It sounds like the retired Colonel is either 1) an idiot, or 2) trying to suck up to certain people to get a job. Or both 1 & 2.

The retired Colonel has said a number of things other than the AR-15 statement that have put his nomination in question...

The guy is a looney...

[GannonFan]

Also Gannon...Don't go using a .50 BMG to hunt in an area that is 10 square acres. But this topic is dumb. Blame the big bad AR because it is black...


I think this whole topic is Racist.

You do realize that my position is that people that want to ban the AR-15 are in the wrong because you can do the same damage, basically, with a simple 9mm handgun? So I'm basically on the side that lefty-hysteria over the AR-15 is misplaced and misguided. Your reading comprehension is apparently lacking.

[GannonFan]

It sounds like the retired Colonel is either 1) an idiot, or 2) trying to suck up to certain people to get a job. Or both 1 & 2.

The retired Colonel has said a number of things other than the AR-15 statement that have put his nomination in question...

The guy is a looney...

He did come across that way. He is from California and he's a medical health professional with a military background. He wouldn't be the first I'd go to for gun advice.

[grizzaholic]

Also Gannon...Don't go using a .50 BMG to hunt in an area that is 10 square acres. But this topic is dumb. Blame the big bad AR because it is black...


I think this whole topic is Racist.

You do realize that my position is that people that want to ban the AR-15 are in the wrong because you can do the same damage, basically, with a simple 9mm handgun? So I'm basically on the side that lefty-hysteria over the AR-15 is misplaced and misguided. Your reading comprehension is apparently lacking.

Well fuck me. Why are you asking all the questions then?

[GannonFan]

You do realize that my position is that people that want to ban the AR-15 are in the wrong because you can do the same damage, basically, with a simple 9mm handgun? So I'm basically on the side that lefty-hysteria over the AR-15 is misplaced and misguided. Your reading comprehension is apparently lacking.

Well **** me. Why are you asking all the questions then?

I didn't know. I thought I probably knew, but not being a gun guy I wanted to genuinely know. Despite first impressions, I don't know everything.

[AZGrizFan]

.223 is good for deer & antelope....flatter trajectory over longer distances as well when compared to .3006 or .308. or even .270.

Around here you can't hunt deer with an AR and .223 is considered too small to hunt deer - inhumane. Of course, here's a pretty populated area and not a lot of hills, so there is rightfully concern for errant shots.

That sentence makes no sense. An AR can fire two different caliber of bullets.....223 is one, the other is much larger. How do they know which one your'e firing? And i know people who hunt (and kill) deer with a .22 LR. Trust me, with the amount of gunpowder behind that .223 round, it's hardly "inhumane". What's inhumane is gut-shooting them with a .30-06 or .308. Or missing the vital organs with a bow and arrow....Hell, my brother brought down a bull elk with a .22-250. And his friend brought down the other one with a .30-30.

[93henfan]

Man. Killing a deer with a 22LR?


True story I told here in the past but will reiterate here: A fellow my dad worked with attempted suicide with a 22LR pistol in the 80s. He shot himself in the chest. Multiple times. And lived.

He recovered for a couple of weeks and brought his ass back to work.

[AZGrizFan]

Man. Killing a deer with a 22LR?


True story I told here in the past but will reiterate here: A fellow my dad worked with attempted suicide with a 22LR pistol in the 80s. He shot himself in the chest. Multiple times. And lived.

He recovered for a couple of weeks and brought his ass back to work.

I swear, you can catch a 22LR in a tin cup.

[CAA Flagship]

Man. Killing a deer with a 22LR?


True story I told here in the past but will reiterate here: A fellow my dad worked with attempted suicide with a 22LR pistol in the 80s. He shot himself in the chest. Multiple times. And lived.

He recovered for a couple of weeks and brought his ass back to work.

Meh. I did that same thing last month. I didn't go back to work but I cleaned the house and did grocery shopping.

[CID1990]

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[CID1990]

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[93henfan]

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[CID1990]

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[93henfan]

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There’s still the Big Black Dildo gun

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[houndawg]

.223 is good for deer & antelope....flatter trajectory over longer distances as well when compared to .3006 or .308. or even .270.

Around here you can't hunt deer with an AR and .223 is considered too small to hunt deer - inhumane. Of course, here's a pretty populated area and not a lot of hills, so there is rightfully concern for errant shots.

Deer are about the size of people and .223 works fine on people - at the range this one was being used ball ammo will penetrate a telephone pole