To Chop or Not Chop

[Ibanez]

Dick. You know what i'm saying. The same poverty conditions that existed before SS, exist today will
continue to exist and without the forced safety net the situation will only be exacerbated.

Thankfully - the Presidents budget (any president) is essentially DOA when it arrives at Congress. Thankfully both parties see how terrible his budget is.

I honestly wasn't trying to be a dick. I agree with you. My second comment was semi-satirical but also agrees with your sentiment that they'll spend it rather than save it and then still need government assistance in the end. The satire comes from the fact we have companies and a greater economy that need them to spend rather than to save in order to maintain our cushy standard of living.

Government social programs don't just enable the recipients, they help drive consumption.

I saw the satire...it was nuanced.

[CAA Flagship]

Government social programs don't just enable the recipients, they help drive consumption.

WHOA THE FUCK UP HERE.

Let's take this opportunity to expand on this statement because it seems that it could fall anywhere on the map.
Please help define the location a little better.

[kalm]

Government social programs don't just enable the recipients, they help drive consumption.

WHOA THE FUCK UP HERE.

Let's take this opportunity to expand on this statement because it seems that it could fall anywhere on the map.
Please help define the location a little better.

What location?

[CAA Flagship]

WHOA THE FUCK UP HERE.

Let's take this opportunity to expand on this statement because it seems that it could fall anywhere on the map.
Please help define the location a little better.

What location?

You aren't going to that "social programs boost the economy" place, are you? You know, next door to "the government creates jobs" place.

[kalm]

What location?

You aren't going to that "social programs boost the economy" place, are you? You know, next door to "the government creates jobs" place.

They do boost the economy. I’m not saying it’s the right way to do it.

EG: without a SS check, many elders would be living with their kids. The fact they can afford their own housing helps the rental/retirement home market.

[GannonFan]

What location?

You aren't going to that "social programs boost the economy" place, are you? You know, next door to "the government creates jobs" place.

I bet there's a multiplier too.

[CAA Flagship]

You aren't going to that "social programs boost the economy" place, are you? You know, next door to "the government creates jobs" place.

They do boost the economy. I’m not saying it’s the right way to do it.

EG: without a SS check, many elders would be living with their kids. The fact they can afford their own housing helps the rental/retirement home market.

Without decent jobs, many kids are living in their parents' basement.

[kalm]

They do boost the economy. I’m not saying it’s the right way to do it.

EG: without a SS check, many elders would be living with their kids. The fact they can afford their own housing helps the rental/retirement home market.

Without decent jobs, many kids are living in their parents' basement.

Ok.

[Ibanez]

They do boost the economy. I’m not saying it’s the right way to do it.

EG: without a SS check, many elders would be living with their kids. The fact they can afford their own housing helps the rental/retirement home market.

Without decent jobs, many kids are living in their parents' basement.

Some of that has to do with their parents fucking up the economy and not retiring when they should. Or having to postpone retirement b/c their generation (baby boomers) tanked the economy as we were graduating college and looking for work and they lost considerable portions of their retirement income.

[CAA Flagship]

Without decent jobs, many kids are living in their parents' basement.

Ok.

See? When you face east, things are clearer.

[kalm]

Ok.

See? When you face east, things are clearer.

So you really don't have a meaningful response and decided to patronize me with geographical elitism?

(I like it!)

[Rob Iola]

See? When you face east, things are clearer.

So you really don't have a meaningful response and decided to patronize me with geographical elitism?

(I like it!)

Hmm, the Palouse or Ferguson - can't decide which is nicer...

[CAA Flagship]

So you really don't have a meaningful response and decided to patronize me with geographical elitism?

(I like it!)

Hmm, the Palouse or Ferguson - can't decide which is nicer...

You can't spell Ferguson without FUN.

[Ibanez]

Hmm, the Palouse or Ferguson - can't decide which is nicer...

You can't spell Ferguson without FUN.

Or GUNS

[kalm]

So you really don't have a meaningful response and decided to patronize me with geographical elitism?

(I like it!)

Hmm, the Palouse or Ferguson - can't decide which is nicer...

A friend of mine is getting married here this Spring. I'm sure Ferguson is just as nice...

[CAA Flagship]

[CAA Flagship]

You can't spell Ferguson without FUN.

Or GUNS

Or NEGRO

[CID1990]

Dick. You know what i'm saying. The same poverty conditions that existed before SS, exist today will
continue to exist and without the forced safety net the situation will only be exacerbated.

Thankfully - the Presidents budget (any president) is essentially DOA when it arrives at Congress. Thankfully both parties see how terrible his budget is.

I honestly wasn't trying to be a dick, it just comes naturally to me . I agree with you. My second comment was semi-satirical but also agrees with your sentiment that they'll spend it rather than save it and then still need government assistance in the end. The satire comes from the fact we have companies and a greater economy that need them to spend rather than to save in order to maintain our cushy standard of living.

Government social programs don't just enable the recipients, they help drive consumption.

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[kalm]

I honestly wasn't trying to be a dick, it just comes naturally to me . I agree with you. My second comment was semi-satirical but also agrees with your sentiment that they'll spend it rather than save it and then still need government assistance in the end. The satire comes from the fact we have companies and a greater economy that need them to spend rather than to save in order to maintain our cushy standard of living.

Government social programs don't just enable the recipients, they help drive consumption.

fify

Aaawwww, did my cynicism hurt your feelings today?



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[CID1990]

fify

Aaawwww, did my cynicism hurt your feelings today?



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No, it was just low hanging fruit

but you not using the quote function properly does hurt my feelings

[kalm]

No, it was just low hanging fruit

but you not using the quote function properly does hurt my feelings

Gawdammit!

[houndawg]

Does everything on that list even account for $5 billion ? There's some stuff we could certainly do without, but this stuff is small potatoes.

In my mind, doing these things will do far more to get budget under control:

1. Get health care costs under control to lessen costs of medicare and medicaid.

2. Stop wasteful military procurement and spending.

3. Social Security changes (paying SS on all income and raising retirement age).

4. Lower corporate tax rates and close loopholes.

Nonstarter, pal. Let me opt the **** out of the system first. Let me stop paying RIGHT NOW, keep the money I've paid in...your solution would be a huuuuuuuge tax on me.

Then again, If they'd just stop taking money from SS to pay for other ****, the program would be solvent as it stands.

This.

5. Pay back what Congress stole from SS.

[JohnStOnge]

In the interest of reaching around the aisle and trying to understand alternative viewpoints, please recommend which of these 22 programs (if any) are worthy of having federal tax dollars spent on. Or, defend why they should be funded.

Ok I'll give it a shot.

1. The McGovern-Dole International Food for Education, which donates agricultural commodities and financial assistance to carry out school feeding programs in foreign countries.

Chop.

2. The Rural Business and Cooperative Service, which provides loans, grants and payments intended to increase opportunities in rural communities.

Chop.

3. The Economic Development Administration, which provides federal grants to communities in support of locally-developed economic plans.

Chop.

4. The Manufacturing Extension Partnership, which subsidizes advisory and consulting services for small and medium-size manufacturers.

Chop.

5. 21st Century Community Learning Centers, which helps communities establish or expand centers to provide before- and after-school programs and summer school programs.

Chop.

6. Gaining Early Awareness and Readiness for Undergraduate Programs, an Education Department program that provides grants to support college preparation for low-income students.

Chop.

7. The Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, which researches ways to enhance the effectiveness of health services.

Keep.

8. The Advanced Research Projects Agency, which provides support for Energy Department projects.

More detail needed.

9. The National Wildlife Refuge Fund, which compensates communities for lost tax revenue when the federal government acquires their land.

Keep. But only if the people agree to sell the land.

10. The Global Climate Change Initiative, a proposal that reflects Trump’s decision last year to withdraw from the Paris climate agreement.

More detail needed.

11. The NASA Office of Education, which provides grants to colleges and universities, museums and science centers. The funding would be redirected within NASA.

Chop.

12. The Chemical Safety Board, which is tasked with investigating accidents at chemical facilities.

Keep.

13. The Corporation for National and Community Service, which funds service opportunities, promotes volunteering and helps nonprofit organizations find volunteers.

Chop.

14. The Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which funds public television and radio stations including Public Broadcasting Service and NPR.

Chop. I do like NPR. But the Federal government shouldn't be funding it.

15. The Institute of Museum and Library Services, which funds museums and libraries nationwide with grants.

Chop.

16. The Legal Services Corporation, a nonprofit that provides civil legal assistance for low-income individuals.

Chop.

17. The National Endowment for the Arts, which funds American artists and projects with grants.

Chop. Art should survive based on its own merit.

18. The National Endowment for the Humanities, which provides grants to American humanities scholars.

Chop.

19. The Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation, which funds community development projects nationwide.

Chop.

20. The Denali Commission, the Delta Regional Authority and the Northern Border Regional Commission, which fund infrastructure and economic projects in specified areas.

More detail needed.

21. The U.S. Trade and Development Agency, which provides U.S. goods and services for foreign projects.

More detail needed.

22. The Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, a think tank focused on international affairs and foreign policy.

Chop.

I doubt if the Chops would save much money relative to the size of the Federal budget though.