It’s finally dawning on him who has the biggest incentive to see him impeached.

[Col Hogan]

I want to get rid of the Republican Party. Trump is a symptom. Yes, I want Trump to lose the next Presidential election assuming he gets to that point. But I don't care who the Republican candidate is. The Republican Party needs to be destroyed. The nut jobs that form the Republican base facilitating Trump's nomination last time need to be marginalized. We don't need people who would PICK somebody like Trump to be the nominee of a major Party influencing the direction of the country.

In that regard I'm not thinking impeachment. That would be a waste of time as the Republican robots in the Senate wouldn't remove him from office regardless of how much evidence of impropriety there is. And they won't because of that real problem: The nut job Republican base.

What I want to see is the REST of the country reject this nonsense and put that nut job Republican base in the basement where it belongs.

I agree with you. The Republican Party needs to purge the fundies.

What about the fundies on the left in the Democrat party???

[kalm]

I agree with you. The Republican Party needs to purge the fundies.

What about the fundies on the left in the Democrat party???

They tend to be closer to Christ...you know actual Christians that are tolerant.

[Col Hogan]

What about the fundies on the left in the Democrat party???

They tend to be closer to Christ...you know actual Christians that are tolerant.

To fundies on the left, the state is their god...not Christ...

[AZGrizFan]

What about the fundies on the left in the Democrat party???

They tend to be closer to Christ...you know actual Christians that are tolerant.

A tolerant leftie. That’s pretty fucking funny. Tolerant of everything but a dissenting opinion.

[dbackjon]

They tend to be closer to Christ...you know actual Christians that are tolerant.

A tolerant leftie. That’s pretty fucking funny. Tolerant of everything but a dissenting opinion.

[HI54UNI]

They tend to be closer to Christ...you know actual Christians that are tolerant.

To fundies on the left, the state is their god...not Christ...

[HI54UNI]

What about the fundies on the left in the Democrat party???

They tend to be closer to Christ...you know actual Christians that are tolerant.

[kalm]

To fundies on the left, the state is their god...not Christ...

Do you know any?

[Ibanez]

They tend to be closer to Christ...you know actual Christians that are tolerant.

A tolerant leftie. That’s pretty fucking funny. Tolerant of everything but a dissenting opinion.

As funny as a small government, personal liberty, moral majority Republican...b/c those fuckers sure as hell don't exist anymore.

[kalm]

A tolerant leftie. That’s pretty fucking funny. Tolerant of everything but a dissenting opinion.

As funny as a small government, personal liberty, moral majority Republican...b/c those fuckers sure as hell don't exist anymore.

Actually I jumped the shark a little. I was thinking of devout Lutherans, Unitarians, and Episcopalians rather than fundies. Those groups seem to tend to walk the jeebus walk more.

[LeadBolt]

The struggle is not really along Conservative vs Liberal lines, but rather Urban vs Rural with Suburbia as the battle ground that decides which values win any particular election.


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[HI54UNI]

Do you know any?

Actually I do. Our local newspaper editor is one. Government is the solution to all of life's problems.

[CID1990]

As funny as a small government, personal liberty, moral majority Republican...b/c those **** sure as hell don't exist anymore.

Actually I jumped the shark a little. I was thinking of devout Lutherans, Unitarians, and Episcopalians rather than fundies. Those groups seem to tend to walk the jeebus walk more.

No they don't

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[Ibanez]

Actually I jumped the shark a little. I was thinking of devout Lutherans, Unitarians, and Episcopalians rather than fundies. Those groups seem to tend to walk the jeebus walk more.

No they don't

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Sex leads to dancing...

[AZGrizFan]

A tolerant leftie. That’s pretty fucking funny. Tolerant of everything but a dissenting opinion.

As funny as a small government, personal liberty, moral majority Republican...b/c those fuckers sure as hell don't exist anymore.

I've never claimed those existed anymore. We don't identify ourselves as Republicans.

[CAA Flagship]

No they don't

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Sex leads to dancing...

So do touchdowns

[Chizzang]

So who owns the mantle of "small Government and controlled spending" now days..?

[Ibanez]

As funny as a small government, personal liberty, moral majority Republican...b/c those fuckers sure as hell don't exist anymore.

I've never claimed those existed anymore. We don't identify ourselves as Republicans.

ok....who thwn?

[Col Hogan]

So who owns the mantle of "small Government and controlled spending" now days..?

That is the $64,000 question (if you don’t understand that reference, Google is your friend...not you Cleets)

Definitely not the D’s...and the vast majority of establishment R’s have abandoned that idea too...

Fiscally, that’s why I liked the circa 2010 Tea Party folks...but they went too far right with anti-government rather than small government rhetoric once they won a few House seats...

I agree with “small Government and controlled spending” but I’m nobody, so I’m still looking for someone...

[Ibanez]

So who owns the mantle of "small Government and controlled spending" now days..?

That is the $64,000 question (if you don’t understand that reference, Google is your friend...not you Cleets)

Definitely not the D’s...and the vast majority of establishment R’s have abandoned that idea too...

Fiscally, that’s why I liked the circa 2010 Tea Party folks...but they went too far right with anti-government rather than small government rhetoric once they won a few House seats...

I agree with “small Government and controlled spending” but I’m nobody, so I’m still looking for someone...

I would like to see what would happen if one party dared to actually reign in spending. It takes reasonable, rational people to do it and that means entitlements and defense spending are going to be on the chopping block.

We all know how well that'll go over.

[kalm]

So who owns the mantle of "small Government and controlled spending" now days..?

That is the $64,000 question (if you don’t understand that reference, Google is your friend...not you Cleets)

Definitely not the D’s...and the vast majority of establishment R’s have abandoned that idea too...

Fiscally, that’s why I liked the circa 2010 Tea Party folks...but they went too far right with anti-government rather than small government rhetoric once they won a few House seats...

I agree with “small Government and controlled spending” but I’m nobody, so I’m still looking for someone...

Great point, Colonel. If you could find a Republican that at least acknowledged the need for a limited government, much smaller and more efficient than the one we currently have, rather than making the government the enemy of the people they'd pick up some independent voters.

[Winterborn]

That is the $64,000 question (if you don’t understand that reference, Google is your friend...not you Cleets)

Definitely not the D’s...and the vast majority of establishment R’s have abandoned that idea too...

Fiscally, that’s why I liked the circa 2010 Tea Party folks...but they went too far right with anti-government rather than small government rhetoric once they won a few House seats...

I agree with “small Government and controlled spending” but I’m nobody, so I’m still looking for someone...

Great point, Colonel. If you could find a Republican that at least acknowledged the need for a limited government, much smaller and more efficient than the one we currently have, rather than making the government the enemy of the people they'd pick up some independent voters.

But could they win races regularly and ever gain enough members to be an actual force? One or two being elected is not going to change things around. There is too much momentum in the current status quo within DC. Which is why when moderates and true independents do get elected, they often only last a short while before leaving or succumbing to the swamp.

[Col Hogan]

That is the $64,000 question (if you don’t understand that reference, Google is your friend...not you Cleets)

Definitely not the D’s...and the vast majority of establishment R’s have abandoned that idea too...

Fiscally, that’s why I liked the circa 2010 Tea Party folks...but they went too far right with anti-government rather than small government rhetoric once they won a few House seats...

I agree with “small Government and controlled spending” but I’m nobody, so I’m still looking for someone...

Great point, Colonel. If you could find a Republican that at least acknowledged the need for a limited government, much smaller and more efficient than the one we currently have, rather than making the government the enemy of the people they'd pick up some independent voters.

That’s where the hard work starts...

I can support a serious reduction in the DoD budget...but it won’t happen the way I think it should because too many Congressional oxen would be gored...and readiness would be sacrificed to save unneeded bases...

Small government, IMHO, also means handing some current federal functions back to the states...things like Education, HHS,

Also, breakup DHS...send the functions back to where they were prior to the Bush blunder of creating a massive, expensive and redundant overhead structure...

Too many federal jobs would be eliminated for Congress critters to accept...

But I can dream...

[AZGrizFan]

Great point, Colonel. If you could find a Republican that at least acknowledged the need for a limited government, much smaller and more efficient than the one we currently have, rather than making the government the enemy of the people they'd pick up some independent voters.

But could they win races regularly and ever gain enough members to be an actual force? One or two being elected is not going to change things around. There is too much momentum in the current status quo within DC. Which is why when moderates and true independents do get elected, they often only last a short while before leaving or succumbing to the swamp.

Especially when 47% (and growing) of the country don't feel the impact on their pocketbook when government spending goes up anyways.

[UNI88]

Great point, Colonel. If you could find a Republican that at least acknowledged the need for a limited government, much smaller and more efficient than the one we currently have, rather than making the government the enemy of the people they'd pick up some independent voters.

But could they win races regularly and ever gain enough members to be an actual force? One or two being elected is not going to change things around. There is too much momentum in the current status quo within DC. Which is why when moderates and true independents do get elected, they often only last a short while before leaving or succumbing to the swamp.

It probably has to be organic - i.e. start at the local level and go from there to the state and national level. It also doesn't need to be that big to have a major impact. If 5-10% of Congress were small government moderates they would become the de-facto kingmakers that either party would have to enlist to pass anything. Their cooperation would require compromise.

The pigs feeding at the government trough (from both sides of the aisle) fear this possibility and would throw every financial, investigative and mud slinging resource at their disposal to make sure it didn't happen though.