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dbackjon wrote:So you both voted for Trump, but are too smug to admit it.

Well done!

Of course you also voted for the spineless GOP in the House and Senate who have been nothing but rubber stamps for Trump.

Another Well done!
You know who voted for Trump?

The leadership of the Democratic Party who determined it was "Hillary's turn" and contorted the process to deliver her the party nomination. They nominated a candidate so bad she lost to Trump.
It's always Hillary's fault....

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HI54UNI wrote:Click bait type article -

$300,000/$8.80 (current soybean price) is about 34,000 bushels. On 1,000 acres that's only 34 bushels per acre. Either the land is really shitty and shouldn't be used for soybeans or the damage was so bad his taxpayer subsidized crop insurance paid him off. My guess would be the latter because there is no way a farmer would plow under $300,000 even if he had to pay storage, damage, etc. Better to have something rather than nothing. Also I have little sympathy for a farmer that farms 1,700 acres of soybeans. Odds are he's farming double that acreage with other crops.

The glut in grain stocks has been building for years now because of too much over production, some of which is encouraged by subsidized crop insurance. Farmers around here have plowed up pastures, waterways, etc. because as long as they get a crop planted they are guaranteed to get paid even if it floods out every year. There are grain piles around because yields were good and there isn't enough storage. The China tariffs are making the problem worse but are just a convenient boogeyman.

Interesting that the article talks about privately owned grain elevators. Most around here are cooperatives. Are the coops screwing their farmer owners too? Maybe the farmers need to start cooperatives instead of relying on private entities if they feel they are getting screwed. And fees for damaged crops are nothing new. Happens all the time.

Why didn't these farmers save their money 5-7 years ago when the markets went crazy and corn was $7 per bushel?
Oops...there goes Reuter’s as a source. CID and Gil won’t be happy.
Why?

I use Reuters all the time




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kalm wrote:
Oops...there goes Reuter’s as a source. CID and Gil won’t be happy.
Why?

I use Reuters all the time




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Fiver called it a click bait article.
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mainejeff wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:
You know who voted for Trump?

The leadership of the Democratic Party who determined it was "Hillary's turn" and contorted the process to deliver her the party nomination. They nominated a candidate so bad she lost to Trump.
It's always Hillary's fault....

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We agree. It DOES get tiring how fucked up she is.
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Ivytalk wrote:Those tariffs are biting us in the ass. Look at the stock market lately. It was just a matter of time. And the trade war is set to escalate further on January 1.
Yeah, I don't suppose the Fed raising interest rates when no other CB in the world is doing the same, has anything to do with it. I don't suppose the Fed unwinding its QE balance sheet has anything to do with it. I don't suppose artificially inflating the equities market with years of nominal zero interest rate policy and real negative interest rate policy has anything to do with it.

The equity risk premium hit a 40-yr high about six or seven years ago and has been hovering around that level ever since because of the aforementioned monetary policies. Exactly how do you think that will be resolved? Here's a hint: It won't be pretty.
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mainejeff wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:
You know who voted for Trump?

The leadership of the Democratic Party who determined it was "Hillary's turn" and contorted the process to deliver her the party nomination. They nominated a candidate so bad she lost to Trump.
It's always Hillary's fault....

*YAWN*

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I didn't say it was Hillary's fault. I said it was the fault of many in the leadership of the Democratic Party.

It takes a village to screw up the process so badly.
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JoltinJoe wrote:You know who voted for Trump?

The leadership of the Democratic Party
lol.

This is fucking hilarious.
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Ivytalk wrote:Those tariffs are biting us in the ass. Look at the stock market lately. It was just a matter of time. And the trade war is set to escalate further on January 1.
I think we can all agree there was going to be some pain

now we get to see what the end game is

I suspect it is the Chinese waiting Trump out if he doesnt get a second term - but I'm still curious to see where this ends

especially since this is one of those things where you can go back to where you were before at the stroke of a pen


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CID1990 wrote:
Why?

I use Reuters all the time




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Fiver called it a click bait article.
Maybe it is - HI5 makes an interesting point. And given what I know about farm subsidies, it wouldnt surprise me if he's right

I like Reuters because they tend to be unvarnished but they also have a tendency to just scratch the surface of a story


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Ivytalk wrote:Those tariffs are biting us in the ass. Look at the stock market lately. It was just a matter of time. And the trade war is set to escalate further on January 1.
Yeah, I don't suppose the Fed raising interest rates when no other CB in the world is doing the same, has anything to do with it. I don't suppose the Fed unwinding its QE balance sheet has anything to do with it. I don't suppose artificially inflating the equities market with years of nominal zero interest rate policy and real negative interest rate policy has anything to do with it.

The equity risk premium hit a 40-yr high about six or seven years ago and has been hovering around that level ever since because of the aforementioned monetary policies. Exactly how do you think that will be resolved? Here's a hint: It won't be pretty.
Have you eaten your crow on the head and shoulders thing yet?
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Pretty sure he still stands by that.

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Ivytalk wrote:Those tariffs are biting us in the ass. Look at the stock market lately. It was just a matter of time. And the trade war is set to escalate further on January 1.
Yeah, I don't suppose the Fed raising interest rates when no other CB in the world is doing the same, has anything to do with it. I don't suppose the Fed unwinding its QE balance sheet has anything to do with it. I don't suppose artificially inflating the equities market with years of nominal zero interest rate policy and real negative interest rate policy has anything to do with it.

The equity risk premium hit a 40-yr high about six or seven years ago and has been hovering around that level ever since because of the aforementioned monetary policies. Exactly how do you think that will be resolved? Here's a hint: It won't be pretty.
Save your breath. I've tried to explain these things to him many times. He doesn't understand. He's a popular vote enthusiast.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:You know who voted for Trump?

The leadership of the Democratic Party
lol.

This is **** hilarious.
I know you think this is funny.

You all thought it was funny.

That is why we got Trump in the first place and why we may get stuck with a second Trump term.

We got Trump because people like you, along with the leadership of the Democratic Party, are completely out of touch with the average American.
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JoltinJoe wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
lol.

This is **** hilarious.
I know you think this is funny.

You all thought it was funny.

That is why we got Trump in the first place and why we may get stuck with a second Trump term.

We got Trump because people like you, along with the leadership of the Democratic Party, are completely out of touch with the average American.
I can't wait for Hillary 4.0 to run again!
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JoltinJoe wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
lol.

This is **** hilarious.
I know you think this is funny.

You all thought it was funny.

That is why we got Trump in the first place and why we may get stuck with a second Trump term.

We got Trump because people like you, along with the leadership of the Democratic Party, are completely out of touch with the average American.
I blame Hillary as well but if the Democratic Party was "completely out of touch with the average American" the election would have been a blowout.

The average American likes their entitlement programs, supports medicare for all, wants money out of politics, hates the big banks, supports public education spending over vouchers. Those are all winnable issues for the Democrats if they have the right candidate who people actually find trustworthy.

The problem in 2016 was that Hillary was a horrible candidate who ignored key battleground states, and was extremely unlikeable. She represented the establishment better than anyone else could and average Americans are tired of the establishment.
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Yeah, I don't suppose the Fed raising interest rates when no other CB in the world is doing the same, has anything to do with it. I don't suppose the Fed unwinding its QE balance sheet has anything to do with it. I don't suppose artificially inflating the equities market with years of nominal zero interest rate policy and real negative interest rate policy has anything to do with it.

The equity risk premium hit a 40-yr high about six or seven years ago and has been hovering around that level ever since because of the aforementioned monetary policies. Exactly how do you think that will be resolved? Here's a hint: It won't be pretty.
Save your breath. I've tried to explain these things to him many times. He doesn't understand. He's a popular vote enthusiast.
You’ve tried to explain monetary policy to me precisely zero times, Willis. And there’s no need to: I get it. This thread was supposed to be about tariffs. Graddy is just cranky because he ran out of little blue pills, and his stash of Confederate memorabilia is now worth bupkes.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Pretty sure he still stands by that.

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I said "if". The pattern wasn't completed. Once again, a swing and a miss.
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Ivytalk wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Save your breath. I've tried to explain these things to him many times. He doesn't understand. He's a popular vote enthusiast.
You’ve tried to explain monetary policy to me precisely zero times, Willis. And there’s no need to: I get it. This thread was supposed to be about tariffs. Graddy is just cranky because he ran out of little blue pills, and his stash of Confederate memorabilia is now worth bupkes.
Heh. I must have been drunk. I thought he was replying to JSO. :lol:
But there is no time like the present (economic strength) to hit China hard. Was this the best approach?
Not sure, but it is getting China's attention. And like I have said, I think a major goal of all of this is to gain a more favorable balance in trade with China, not by having them increase their buying of US goods, but by reducing our dependency on China for our supply chains. There are plenty of countries in Asia and South America that could produce the goods we get from China. The tariffs on Chinese goods give these other countries an incentive to ramp up their capabilities.
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CitadelGrad wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:Pretty sure he still stands by that.

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I said "if". The pattern wasn't completed. Once again, a swing and a miss.
Hmmm. That seems to contradict all the times you claim the market dropped - just as your head and shoulders pattern predicted. :lol:

CitadelGrad wrote: Do you mean the head and shoulders pattern that showed up right before a 10% decline, just as I predicted?
CitadelGrad wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
Are you here to remind us of the infamous head and shoulders pattern? :coffee:
Yep. The same one that played out just as I said it would.
CitadelGrad wrote: The head & shoulders pattern did exactly what I said it would do. It preceded an 8% decline in the S&P 500.
CitadelGrad wrote: BTW, you were wrong about the head and shoulders pattern. It was followed by a decline just as some of us predicted.
CitadelGrad wrote:This was published by CNBC less than 24 hours before the big decline today. Let's hear jellybelly scoff at the head & shoulders pattern now.

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Skjellyfetti wrote:
CitadelGrad wrote:
I said "if". The pattern wasn't completed. Once again, a swing and a miss.
Hmmm. That seems to contradict all the times you claim the market dropped - just as your head and shoulders pattern predicted. :lol:

CitadelGrad wrote: Do you mean the head and shoulders pattern that showed up right before a 10% decline, just as I predicted?
CitadelGrad wrote:
Yep. The same one that played out just as I said it would.
CitadelGrad wrote: The head & shoulders pattern did exactly what I said it would do. It preceded an 8% decline in the S&P 500.
CitadelGrad wrote: BTW, you were wrong about the head and shoulders pattern. It was followed by a decline just as some of us predicted.
CitadelGrad wrote:This was published by CNBC less than 24 hours before the big decline today. Let's hear jellybelly scoff at the head & shoulders pattern now.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44005971
So you're saying I was right. The chart you posted clearly did not show an 8-10% decline. We had a couple of exchanges concerning the head and shoulders pattern. If I recall correctly, the one that did fully form was followed by that significant decline. Perhaps you should post the dates of those posts.
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HI54UNI wrote:Click bait type article -

$300,000/$8.80 (current soybean price) is about 34,000 bushels. On 1,000 acres that's only 34 bushels per acre. Either the land is really shitty and shouldn't be used for soybeans or the damage was so bad his taxpayer subsidized crop insurance paid him off. My guess would be the latter because there is no way a farmer would plow under $300,000 even if he had to pay storage, damage, etc. Better to have something rather than nothing. Also I have little sympathy for a farmer that farms 1,700 acres of soybeans. Odds are he's farming double that acreage with other crops.

The glut in grain stocks has been building for years now because of too much over production, some of which is encouraged by subsidized crop insurance. Farmers around here have plowed up pastures, waterways, etc. because as long as they get a crop planted they are guaranteed to get paid even if it floods out every year. There are grain piles around because yields were good and there isn't enough storage. The China tariffs are making the problem worse but are just a convenient boogeyman.

Interesting that the article talks about privately owned grain elevators. Most around here are cooperatives. Are the coops screwing their farmer owners too? Maybe the farmers need to start cooperatives instead of relying on private entities if they feel they are getting screwed. And fees for damaged crops are nothing new. Happens all the time.

Why didn't these farmers save their money 5-7 years ago when the markets went crazy and corn was $7 per bushel?
Yup, family was just talking about this situation over Thanksgiving dinner. Nothing new here, farmer was paid through crop insurance (nobody that size doesn't have it and it is tied to receiving your operating loan).

Lot of younger farmers spent the money from the good years like a drunken sailor and didn't put any aside for the lean years. Equipment manufactures offering cheap loans for them to trade up every year meant that lot of farmers took advantage of it and lived on credit, knowing that the bank or crop insurance would bail them out the first year. Now we are a year or two past that and they still haven't changed their practices. To borrow an old saying, the chickens are coming home to roost.

Farmers that operated within their means, and expanded wisely within their operating capital will be sitting good here coming up. It will not be easy but they will have the reserves to last this out. But they will not be the ones making the news as their "story" doesn't further the agenda.
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So just to be clear, good economic news isn't Trumps doing, but bad news is? I get that right? :lol:

I agree with Cid and Flaggy on the tariffs. They have brought China to the table, we'll see how it all plays out.

As Hi5 pointed out, farmers are the largest welfare queens in the country, not sure why anyone is feeling sorry for them, their shit is covered no matter what.

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SDHornet wrote:So just to be clear, good economic news isn't Trumps doing, but bad news is? I get that right? :lol:

I agree with Cid and Flaggy on the tariffs. They have brought China to the table, we'll see how it all plays out.

As Hi5 pointed out, farmers are the largest welfare queens in the country, not sure why anyone is feeling sorry for them, their **** is covered no matter what.

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SDHornet wrote:So just to be clear, good economic news isn't Trumps doing, but bad news is? I get that right? :lol:

I agree with Cid and Flaggy on the tariffs. They have brought China to the table, we'll see how it all plays out.

As Hi5 pointed out, farmers are the largest welfare queens in the country, not sure why anyone is feeling sorry for them, their **** is covered no matter what.

I didn't vote for Trump in '18, I will in '20. 'Merica bitches! 8-)
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That was a fast delete there jelly...good call, you were finna get crush for it. :lol: :thumb:
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