The bad news is they’ll spend it on scientific grants for scientists to study the harmful effects of radio waves on the mating habits of snowy owlshoundawg wrote:Yes but so far thy've seized $47,000,000 worth of property from Manafort.89Hen wrote:Didn't this investigation cost the US about $25M?
Look, let's review some of the things that happened that are public knowledge:SDHornet wrote:...humiliation of jellybelly and any other idiots that bought hook line and sinker into the Trump Russia collusion conspiracy theory.
Oh and what Cid said, we need to get that thread up to 200 pages.
Was that the $40 million the government passed on previously when they thought Manafort was small potatoes?BDKJMU wrote:Maybe 35 million when final tally done.89Hen wrote:
https://www.businessinsider.com/robert- ... ion-2019-3
You're story is full of establishment media lies. Face it, you were lied to and subsequently are now lying repeating those lies.JohnStOnge wrote:Back to the basic topic: Seriously, do you guys want a situation in which the FBI does not initiate an investigation unless it is 100% sure ahead of time that it's going to find what it's investigating for? Like in this instance, as I recall, the charge was to investigate Russian interference in the US election including any collusion on the part of people in the Trump campaign.
There were all kinds of things going on that suggested that might have been happening. Do you guys really want the FBI to fail to even look at such things? And BTW they did indict some Russians for working to influence the US election. Would you prefer that they had not investigated and documented that activity?
I mean what the hell do you want them to do? Trump publicly said he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. He said it on national television. And you add that to stuff like that meeting with someone who was represented as a Russian government lawyer and changing the Republican Party platform. I mean seriously. If you're a Trump fan be happy that it turned out the way it did on the collusion issue. But criticizing the FBI for investigating the situation is ridiculous.
Good God I guess. I didn’t get past the first paragraph and reached the same conclusion....then again, he’s convinced that the “demographics are changing” and has repeated that lie so often he now believes it as the gospel...he’s good at that.SeattleGriz wrote:You're story is full of establishment media lies. Face it, you were lied to and subsequently are now lying repeating those lies.JohnStOnge wrote:Back to the basic topic: Seriously, do you guys want a situation in which the FBI does not initiate an investigation unless it is 100% sure ahead of time that it's going to find what it's investigating for? Like in this instance, as I recall, the charge was to investigate Russian interference in the US election including any collusion on the part of people in the Trump campaign.
There were all kinds of things going on that suggested that might have been happening. Do you guys really want the FBI to fail to even look at such things? And BTW they did indict some Russians for working to influence the US election. Would you prefer that they had not investigated and documented that activity?
I mean what the hell do you want them to do? Trump publicly said he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. He said it on national television. And you add that to stuff like that meeting with someone who was represented as a Russian government lawyer and changing the Republican Party platform. I mean seriously. If you're a Trump fan be happy that it turned out the way it did on the collusion issue. But criticizing the FBI for investigating the situation is ridiculous.
Can't even be bothered to research the lie that Trump said he fired Comey over Russia.AZGrizFan wrote:Good God I guess. I didn’t get past the first paragraph and reached the same conclusion....then again, he’s convinced that the “demographics are changing” and has repeated that lie so often he now believes it as the gospel...he’s good at that.SeattleGriz wrote:You're story is full of establishment media lies. Face it, you were lied to and subsequently are now lying repeating those lies.
ExactlySeattleGriz wrote:You're story is full of establishment media lies. Face it, you were lied to and subsequently are now lying repeating those lies.JohnStOnge wrote:Back to the basic topic: Seriously, do you guys want a situation in which the FBI does not initiate an investigation unless it is 100% sure ahead of time that it's going to find what it's investigating for? Like in this instance, as I recall, the charge was to investigate Russian interference in the US election including any collusion on the part of people in the Trump campaign.
There were all kinds of things going on that suggested that might have been happening. Do you guys really want the FBI to fail to even look at such things? And BTW they did indict some Russians for working to influence the US election. Would you prefer that they had not investigated and documented that activity?
I mean what the hell do you want them to do? Trump publicly said he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. He said it on national television. And you add that to stuff like that meeting with someone who was represented as a Russian government lawyer and changing the Republican Party platform. I mean seriously. If you're a Trump fan be happy that it turned out the way it did on the collusion issue. But criticizing the FBI for investigating the situation is ridiculous.
The point remains...Winterborn wrote:Like anything else, all depends on what they can sell it for not what it is worth.houndawg wrote:
Yes but so far thy've seized $47,000,000 worth of property from Manafort.
That's a hell of a lot more of his drivel than I read.AZGrizFan wrote:Good God I guess. I didn’t get past the first paragraph and reached the same conclusion....then again, he’s convinced that the “demographics are changing” and has repeated that lie so often he now believes it as the gospel...he’s good at that.SeattleGriz wrote:You're story is full of establishment media lies. Face it, you were lied to and subsequently are now lying repeating those lies.
Boy you sure have changed your tune on civil liberties since the days when you got your pantyhose all in a wad over DUI enforcementJohnStOnge wrote:Back to the basic topic: Seriously, do you guys want a situation in which the FBI does not initiate an investigation unless it is 100% sure ahead of time that it's going to find what it's investigating for? Like in this instance, as I recall, the charge was to investigate Russian interference in the US election including any collusion on the part of people in the Trump campaign.
There were all kinds of things going on that suggested that might have been happening. Do you guys really want the FBI to fail to even look at such things? And BTW they did indict some Russians for working to influence the US election. Would you prefer that they had not investigated and documented that activity?
I mean what the hell do you want them to do? Trump publicly said he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. He said it on national television. And you add that to stuff like that meeting with someone who was represented as a Russian government lawyer and changing the Republican Party platform. I mean seriously. If you're a Trump fan be happy that it turned out the way it did on the collusion issue. But criticizing the FBI for investigating the situation is ridiculous.
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Jussie Smollett still owes the Nigerian brothers $500houndawg wrote:The point remains...Winterborn wrote:Like anything else, all depends on what they can sell it for not what it is worth.
If you live up here, they are among our more striking visitors from the north.CID1990 wrote:The bad news is they’ll spend it on scientific grants for scientists to study the harmful effects of radio waves on the mating habits of snowy owlshoundawg wrote:
Yes but so far thy've seized $47,000,000 worth of property from Manafort.
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You mean not letting go?JohnStOnge wrote:Back to the basic topic
Ok guys. I read the transcript. The media did not misrepresent the situation. Trump's first indication as to why he fired Comey was the Russia investigation. I don't know why you guys are even attempting to argue that the media mischaracterized the situation. He said what he said. It was the first thing out of his mouth in terms of the "why."ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:ExactlySeattleGriz wrote:You're story is full of establishment media lies. Face it, you were lied to and subsequently are now lying repeating those lies.
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The Steele Dossier played a role. It was not the only thing. No FISA court was deceived with respect to the Steele Dossier. The courts knew it was political opposition research and I don't think it was hard for them to figure out who the opposition was. I have no reason to believe the FBI relied to an unwarranted degree on the Steele Dossier. As far as I can tell it was just part of the picture. I watched an interview with Papadopoulos tonight. He lied to the FBI about what he was doing with Russians. He admitted that during the interview. Now, he said he did it just to protect Trump. He said he didn't have any knowledge of anything really going on. But he lied about his interactions with a Russian for the purpose of protecting Trump. Again: He said that tonight. That raises suspicion. And that, not the Steele Dossier, is what got the thing started.CID1990 wrote:Boy you sure have changed your tune on civil liberties since the days when you got your pantyhose all in a wad over DUI enforcementJohnStOnge wrote:Back to the basic topic: Seriously, do you guys want a situation in which the FBI does not initiate an investigation unless it is 100% sure ahead of time that it's going to find what it's investigating for? Like in this instance, as I recall, the charge was to investigate Russian interference in the US election including any collusion on the part of people in the Trump campaign.
There were all kinds of things going on that suggested that might have been happening. Do you guys really want the FBI to fail to even look at such things? And BTW they did indict some Russians for working to influence the US election. Would you prefer that they had not investigated and documented that activity?
I mean what the hell do you want them to do? Trump publicly said he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. He said it on national television. And you add that to stuff like that meeting with someone who was represented as a Russian government lawyer and changing the Republican Party platform. I mean seriously. If you're a Trump fan be happy that it turned out the way it did on the collusion issue. But criticizing the FBI for investigating the situation is ridiculous.
I’m all for the FBI going after these kinds of things as long as there is actual reasonable suspicion - if it turns out that the FBI relied heavily on the Steele dossier then that is a huge problem. .. because it was created and pushed by the Clinton campaign.
That isn’t reasonable suspicion. That is corruption - something that you like to call an abomination when you see it in Trump
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The 2016 democrat Steele Dossier, compiled by the democrat contractor Fusion GPS, paid for by the Clinton campaign, used Russian sources, contained unsubstantiated, uncorroborated, and flat out false info. Was used to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign. The Steele dossier was the beginning of the whole democrat Trump/Russia collusion fairy tale, which led to the collusion delusion investigation starting 2017.JohnStOnge wrote:The Steele Dossier played a role. It was not the only thing. No FISA court was deceived with respect to the Steele Dossier. The courts knew it was political opposition research and I don't think it was hard for them to figure out who the opposition was. I have no reason to believe the FBI relied to an unwarranted degree on the Steele Dossier. As far as I can tell it was just part of the picture. I watched an interview with Papadopoulos tonight. He lied to the FBI about what he was doing with Russians. He admitted that during the interview. Now, he said he did it just to protect Trump. He said he didn't have any knowledge of anything really going on. But he lied about his interactions with a Russian for the purpose of protecting Trump. Again: He said that tonight. That raises suspicion. And that, not the Steele Dossier, is what got the thing started.CID1990 wrote:
Boy you sure have changed your tune on civil liberties since the days when you got your pantyhose all in a wad over DUI enforcement
I’m all for the FBI going after these kinds of things as long as there is actual reasonable suspicion - if it turns out that the FBI relied heavily on the Steele dossier then that is a huge problem. .. because it was created and pushed by the Clinton campaign.
That isn’t reasonable suspicion. That is corruption - something that you like to call an abomination when you see it in Trump
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The first order if the Mueller’s collusion delusion investigation, to investigate:JohnStOnge wrote:You know there's another thing to consider: It was an investigation into Russian efforts to influence a US election. That's what it was. One charge was to see if anybody in the Trump campaign illegally coordinated with Russians. But the point was to investigate the Russian efforts. Why would you not want the FBI to investigate that?
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For the purposes of discussion, cite some of the info in the Steele Dossier that has been documented as being false.BDKJMU wrote:The 2016 democrat Steele Dossier, compiled by the democrat contractor Fusion GPS, paid for by the Clinton campaign, used Russian sources, contained unsubstantiated, uncorroborated, and flat out false info. Was used to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign. The Steele dossier was the beginning of the whole democrat Trump/Russia collusion fairy tale, which led to the collusion delusion investigation starting 2017.JohnStOnge wrote:
The Steele Dossier played a role. It was not the only thing. No FISA court was deceived with respect to the Steele Dossier. The courts knew it was political opposition research and I don't think it was hard for them to figure out who the opposition was. I have no reason to believe the FBI relied to an unwarranted degree on the Steele Dossier. As far as I can tell it was just part of the picture. I watched an interview with Papadopoulos tonight. He lied to the FBI about what he was doing with Russians. He admitted that during the interview. Now, he said he did it just to protect Trump. He said he didn't have any knowledge of anything really going on. But he lied about his interactions with a Russian for the purpose of protecting Trump. Again: He said that tonight. That raises suspicion. And that, not the Steele Dossier, is what got the thing started.
I was looking at the letter you linked when I posted. The over arching task was investigation of the Russian effort. There was a set of bullet points as to what the investigation should include and one of them was to look for links and/or coordination.BDKJMU wrote:The first order if the Mueller’s collusion delusion investigation, to investigate:JohnStOnge wrote:You know there's another thing to consider: It was an investigation into Russian efforts to influence a US election. That's what it was. One charge was to see if anybody in the Trump campaign illegally coordinated with Russians. But the point was to investigate the Russian efforts. Why would you not want the FBI to investigate that?
“(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump”
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... atters.pdf
It was an attempt to bring down a duly elected sitting POTUS by a bunch of poeople who didn’t like the result.
Michael Isikoff, the reporter who broke the story, claimed so of the allegations were likely false.JohnStOnge wrote:For the purposes of discussion, cite some of the info in the Steele Dossier that has been documented as being false.BDKJMU wrote: The 2016 democrat Steele Dossier, compiled by the democrat contractor Fusion GPS, paid for by the Clinton campaign, used Russian sources, contained unsubstantiated, uncorroborated, and flat out false info. Was used to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign. The Steele dossier was the beginning of the whole democrat Trump/Russia collusion fairy tale, which led to the collusion delusion investigation starting 2017.
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JohnStOnge wrote:I was looking at the letter you linked when I posted. The over arching task was investigation of the Russian effort. There was a set of bullet points as to what the investigation should include and one of them was to look for links and/or coordination.BDKJMU wrote: The first order if the Mueller’s collusion delusion investigation, to investigate:
“(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump”
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... atters.pdf
It was an attempt to bring down a duly elected sitting POTUS by a bunch of poeople who didn’t like the result.
And there was ample basis for including that. It was not an attempt to bring down a duly elected President. It was the FBI doing what it should be doing.
-Placing a spy inside the Trump campaign..JohnStOnge wrote:I was looking at the letter you linked when I posted. The over arching task was investigation of the Russian effort. There was a set of bullet points as to what the investigation should include and one of them was to look for links and/or coordination.BDKJMU wrote: The first order if the Mueller’s collusion delusion investigation, to investigate:
“(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump”
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... atters.pdf
It was an attempt to bring down a duly elected sitting POTUS by a bunch of poeople who didn’t like the result.
And there was ample basis for including that. It was not an attempt to bring down a duly elected President. It was the FBI doing what it should be doing.
Remember his ”I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy's office - that there's no way he [Trump] gets elected - but I'm afraid we can't take that risk."
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Duh. Why do you think they snitched him off?ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Jussie Smollett still owes the Nigerian brothers $500houndawg wrote:
The point remains...
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