Tea Party

[dbackjon]

Unfortunately, they are going about this the wrong way. Following the ones that took them to defeat in 2008/created this mess in the first place will get them no-where.

Would you have said the same thing about the people that remained in the democratic party following Carter's administration? Or after the republicans took control of congress in the early 90s. Come on. The party in power typically abuses their power and many times forgets the people that put them there. It has happened sadly again and again in American politics.

We are a two party system. Would I like for that to change? yes. But that change will occur over a long period of time if at all. you follow the group that is closest to your belifs and many of us swallow hard at the portions of the party we don't like. The alternative is to wake up 20 years from now with policies in place that are impossible to change because they are imbedded.

Trust me, I understand.

I get yelled at all the time at DemocraticUnderground because I do not follow the party line, and criticize Obama, Pelosi and Reid all the time.

I had one of the most famous and cited posts there recently - recorded it being cited in over 200 different threads as proof that some Democrats are disloyal :

[wideright82]

Would you have said the same thing about the people that remained in the democratic party following Carter's administration? Or after the republicans took control of congress in the early 90s. Come on. The party in power typically abuses their power and many times forgets the people that put them there. It has happened sadly again and again in American politics.

We are a two party system. Would I like for that to change? yes. But that change will occur over a long period of time if at all. you follow the group that is closest to your belifs and many of us swallow hard at the portions of the party we don't like. The alternative is to wake up 20 years from now with policies in place that are impossible to change because they are imbedded.

Trust me, I understand.

I get yelled at all the time at DemocraticUnderground because I do not follow the party line, and criticize Obama, Pelosi and Reid all the time.

I had one of the most famous and cited posts there recently - recorded it being cited in over 200 different threads as proof that some Democrats are disloyal

hd threw you under the bus, huh?

[OL FU]

Would you have said the same thing about the people that remained in the democratic party following Carter's administration? Or after the republicans took control of congress in the early 90s. Come on. The party in power typically abuses their power and many times forgets the people that put them there. It has happened sadly again and again in American politics.

We are a two party system. Would I like for that to change? yes. But that change will occur over a long period of time if at all. you follow the group that is closest to your belifs and many of us swallow hard at the portions of the party we don't like. The alternative is to wake up 20 years from now with policies in place that are impossible to change because they are imbedded.

Trust me, I understand.

I get yelled at all the time at DemocraticUnderground because I do not follow the party line, and criticize Obama, Pelosi and Reid all the time.

I had one of the most famous and cited posts there recently - recorded it being cited in over 200 different threads as proof that some Democrats are disloyal :

and as I said, one of the reasons I am not going is that there are republican politicians speaking (of course, Mike Gallagher and the local jerk are the main reasons Political radio hacks hack me off )

I could easily be a libertarian but as proof that free market proponents don't disapprove of government controls and regulations, they simply go way to far for a modern society to function safely and efficiently (IMHO).

[dbackjon]

Trust me, I understand.

I get yelled at all the time at DemocraticUnderground because I do not follow the party line, and criticize Obama, Pelosi and Reid all the time.

I had one of the most famous and cited posts there recently - recorded it being cited in over 200 different threads as proof that some Democrats are disloyal

hd threw you under the bus, huh?

Basically, yes. In a thread about Obama not being willing to pursue the repeal of DADT, my reply was simply:

FUCK YOU OBAMA

[wildkyle]

i will be attending one in my town

Let us know the details, how many people, what happened, etc...

can do

[UNI88]

My question for the majority of the teabaggers: What took you so long? Where have you been the past 8 years when Bush was pushing through record spending and deficits?

We've been telling Bush to stop spending. Difference is now under Obama, the gluttoness tax and spend activity has grown exponentially, with bills being written in dark rooms, and passed before anyone has a chance to even read them.

It's madness.

Unlike the funding for the Iraq war which was all out in the daylight and part of the normal budgeting process?

[UNI88]

Should I be offended by these posts? I don't listen to Hannity/Rush/Beck but I do believe in the capitalism and the free market (with limited regulation). I can make a pretty cogent argument that in most cases a dollar kept in the private sector will be more effective than a dollar taken by the government because it will be reinvested in companies that create jobs and opportunities for other people while a much larger percentage of the government dollar will be wasted on bureaucratic overhead (can you say byzantine). Now you might not agree with my arguments but don't question my mental ability just because I don't agree with you. I've made up my mind based on my assessment of the information not because of what I've been spoon fed.

I'm calling retarded the people who bitch about "my taxes going up" when unless they make more than 250k/year their taxes didnt go up, and if they make under 100k (IIRC the amount) they actually went down... so what they are really "protesting" is wealthy people paying the same tax they paid in 1999. most of your teabaggers don't see it that way... an that is either stupidity or being duped.

Just to be clear, I don't think that TTBF or Jon were being critical of all fiscal conservatives. I've had some pretty good discussions with TTBF and in this instance was just trying to make a point about painting with too broad of a brush. They were having fun with some smack and there is nothing wrong with that.

Other than that I agree with what OLFU has posted so I don't have much to add.

[houndawg]

We've been telling Bush to stop spending. Difference is now under Obama, the gluttoness tax and spend activity has grown exponentially, with bills being written in dark rooms, and passed before anyone has a chance to even read them.

It's madness.

Unlike the funding for the Iraq war which was all out in the daylight and part of the normal budgeting process?

Slam dunk.

[Pwns]

The issue is not the repealing of the Bush tax cuts - it's government spending. During the Bush years the donks were preaching about not mortgaging our kids futures away and then almost right after retaking the white house they completely shatter the record for largest deficit that Dubya set.

Still, it is kind of hard to take part in an activity with a bunch of people who were silent as GWB ran up the debt.

[D1B]

The issue is not the repealing of the Bush tax cuts - it's government spending. During the Bush years the donks were preaching about not mortgaging our kids futures away and then almost right after retaking the white house they completely shatter the record for largest deficit that Dubya set.

Still, it is kind of hard to take part in an activity with a bunch of people who were silent as GWB ran up the debt.

Pwns, Obama is spending money like a mutherfvcker to keep the economy on life support till the financial markets and private sector regain their strength. It's that simple. There's no private money so Obama is spending public money. Roosevelt did, Reagan did it, W did it. It works. It has worked. It's temporary. Relax.

Fact - If Obama was spending all this on the military and nuclear weapons, you fvckers wouldn't be bitchin. But he's spending alot of it on regular folks - here is your beef. Plain and simple.

[UNI88]

The issue is not the repealing of the Bush tax cuts - it's government spending. During the Bush years the donks were preaching about not mortgaging our kids futures away and then almost right after retaking the white house they completely shatter the record for largest deficit that Dubya set.

Still, it is kind of hard to take part in an activity with a bunch of people who were silent as GWB ran up the debt.

Pwns, Obama is spending money like a mutherfvcker to keep the economy on life support till the financial markets and private sector regain their strength. It's that simple. There's no private money so Obama is spending public money. Roosevelt did, Reagan did it, W did it. It works. It has worked. It's temporary. Relax.

Fact - If Obama was spending all this on the military and nuclear weapons, you fvckers wouldn't be bitchin. But he's spending alot of it on regular folks - here is your beef. Plain and simple.

D, I don't have a major problem with Obama spending money although part of me does wish he would just let nature take its course (goodbye GM, Chrysler, etc.). My concerns are that he is spending so much money and that he isn't spending enough of it on roads, schools, etc. rather than a bunch of pork for the greedy pigs in Congress. Roads, schools, mass transit, R&D, etc. are beneficial in not just pumping money into the economy but increasing the opportunities that will lead to future development and jobs.

[travelinman67]

Pwns, Obama is spending money like a mutherfvcker to keep the economy on life support till the financial markets and private sector regain their strength. It's that simple. There's no private money so Obama is spending public money.

Correction. There IS private capital available, but it's being held in reserve for fear Obama's going to go tax happy. Why would anyone invest money into the marketplace, even a healthy one, knowing Uncle Sam's going to steal your profits?

It's the bare truth, D...I've sat in numerous meetings about this over the past 6 months. The Dems and Obama's handlers telegraphed his intentions going back BEFORE the Dem convention. And it's not just the tax rates, but other regulatory costs. Currently, one of the largest clients I still "talk to" on a regular basis doesn't even build anything, but provides contract administration and regulatory compliance services for construction/manufacturing businesses...and he's making a fortune. In fact, he's SO GOOD, government agencies hire HIS PEOPLE to come to their locations and put on seminars FOR THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES CHARGED WITH ENFORCEMENT, teaching THEIR STAFF about the rules and enforcement requirements.

He owns homes all over the U.S., and just bought a "ski getaway" up near Sun Valley. Real great person, very generous to his staff, has extremely loyal employees...just decided to outsmart the government by playing the game better than they can...

...and making obscene profits from our government's absurd labyrinth gone awry.

I don't know if it can be stopped...there's so many businesses sucking off the government tit rather than producing real goods, I fear if anyone in public office had the courage and intelligence to stop the train, the special interests would rather see the train derail and self destruct than get on the right track and start producing again.

[houndawg]

Pwns, Obama is spending money like a mutherfvcker to keep the economy on life support till the financial markets and private sector regain their strength. It's that simple. There's no private money so Obama is spending public money. Roosevelt did, Reagan did it, W did it. It works. It has worked. It's temporary. Relax.

Fact - If Obama was spending all this on the military and nuclear weapons, you fvckers wouldn't be bitchin. But he's spending alot of it on regular folks - here is your beef. Plain and simple.

D, I don't have a major problem with Obama spending money although part of me does wish he would just let nature take its course (goodbye GM, Chrysler, etc.). My concerns are that he is spending so much money and that he isn't spending enough of it on roads, schools, etc. rather than a bunch of pork for the greedy pigs in Congress. Roads, schools, mass transit, R&D, etc. are beneficial in not just pumping money into the economy but increasing the opportunities that will lead to future development and jobs.

I think he missed an opportunity when he decided to not let the chips fall where they may.

I do ike the 2 billion to Amtrak for high speed rail and hope there's more.

[D1B]

Pwns, Obama is spending money like a mutherfvcker to keep the economy on life support till the financial markets and private sector regain their strength. It's that simple. There's no private money so Obama is spending public money.

Correction. There IS private capital available, but it's being held in reserve for fear Obama's going to go tax happy. Why would anyone invest money into the marketplace, even a healthy one, knowing Uncle Sam's going to steal your profits?

It's the bare truth, D...I've sat in numerous meetings about this over the past 6 months. The Dems and Obama's handlers telegraphed his intentions going back BEFORE the Dem convention. And it's not just the tax rates, but other regulatory costs. Currently, one of the largest clients I still "talk to" on a regular basis doesn't even build anything, but provides contract administration and regulatory compliance services for construction/manufacturing businesses...and he's making a fortune. In fact, he's SO GOOD, government agencies hire HIS PEOPLE to come to their locations and put on seminars FOR THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES CHARGED WITH ENFORCEMENT, teaching THEIR STAFF about the rules and enforcement requirements.

He owns homes all over the U.S., and just bought a "ski getaway" up near Sun Valley. Real great person, very generous to his staff, has extremely loyal employees...just decided to outsmart the government by playing the game better than they can...

...and making obscene profits from our government's absurd labyrinth gone awry.

I don't know if it can be stopped...there's so many businesses sucking off the government tit rather than producing real goods, I fear if anyone in public office had the courage and intelligence to stop the train, the special interests would rather see the train derail and self destruct than get on the right track and start producing again.

Correction, private capital is sitting idle because the economy in the shitter. People/Consumers by the hundreds of thousands are losing their jobs. There has been no substantial signal yet to begin investing. It'll come, it's just going to take some time.

Tman, I respect your experience and intelligence but what happens in your world is not necessarily the case everywhere. I live in a city with one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation (just lost our GM plant last December). Front page today ran a story about investors chomping at the bit to start up a company that could create 500 jobs in our city - that huge for us. The project, right now could use some big governement contracts to make it work. With the stimulus package, it just may get em. I hope so.

www.gazetteextra.com

[travelinman67]

Correction. There IS private capital available, but it's being held in reserve for fear Obama's going to go tax happy. Why would anyone invest money into the marketplace, even a healthy one, knowing Uncle Sam's going to steal your profits?

It's the bare truth, D...I've sat in numerous meetings about this over the past 6 months. The Dems and Obama's handlers telegraphed his intentions going back BEFORE the Dem convention. And it's not just the tax rates, but other regulatory costs. Currently, one of the largest clients I still "talk to" on a regular basis doesn't even build anything, but provides contract administration and regulatory compliance services for construction/manufacturing businesses...and he's making a fortune. In fact, he's SO GOOD, government agencies hire HIS PEOPLE to come to their locations and put on seminars FOR THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES CHARGED WITH ENFORCEMENT, teaching THEIR STAFF about the rules and enforcement requirements.

He owns homes all over the U.S., and just bought a "ski getaway" up near Sun Valley. Real great person, very generous to his staff, has extremely loyal employees...just decided to outsmart the government by playing the game better than they can...

...and making obscene profits from our government's absurd labyrinth gone awry.

I don't know if it can be stopped...there's so many businesses sucking off the government tit rather than producing real goods, I fear if anyone in public office had the courage and intelligence to stop the train, the special interests would rather see the train derail and self destruct than get on the right track and start producing again.

Correction, private capital is sitting idle because the economy in the shitter. People/Consumers by the hundreds of thousands are losing their jobs. There has been no substantial signal yet to begin investing. It'll come, it's just going to take some time.

Tman, I respect your experience and intelligence but what happens in your world is not necessarily the case everywhere. I live in a city with one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation (just lost our GM plant last December). Front page today ran a story about investors chomping at the bit to start up a company that could create 500 jobs in our city - that huge for us. The project, right now could use some big governement contracts to make it work. With the stimulus package, it just may get em. I hope so.

http://www.gazetteextra.com

Keep going, D1B...

...what happens when that government contract expires?

Taxes have been raised to pay for that govt. expenditure, which takes even more money out of the private sector, resulting in less GDP and fewer private sector jobs...only worsening the situation.

Does that new company just base it's existence on govt. contracts?

Treat this as a mathematical function...

Does govt. become "the sole consumer" to keep jobs and businesses afloat?


When the economy is in the crapper, taking more money out of the private sector by increasing fees and taxes only makes the slump worse...

Please, this is the closest you've come to finding the opening to the rabbit hole...don't walk away from this conversation.

[D1B]

Correction, private capital is sitting idle because the economy in the shitter. People/Consumers by the hundreds of thousands are losing their jobs. There has been no substantial signal yet to begin investing. It'll come, it's just going to take some time.

Tman, I respect your experience and intelligence but what happens in your world is not necessarily the case everywhere. I live in a city with one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation (just lost our GM plant last December). Front page today ran a story about investors chomping at the bit to start up a company that could create 500 jobs in our city - that huge for us. The project, right now could use some big governement contracts to make it work. With the stimulus package, it just may get em. I hope so.

http://www.gazetteextra.com

Keep going, D1B...

...what happens when that government contract expires?

The size of the goverment contracts could enable this company to grow larger and faster. It would be folly for any business owner to rely on one source of income, like you assume. They get a start with goverment help, LIKE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SUCCESSFUL COMPANIES HAVE, and they expand their markets.

[travelinman67]

Keep going, D1B...

...what happens when that government contract expires?

The size of the goverment contracts could enable this company to grow larger and faster. It would be folly for any business owner to rely on one source of income, like you assume. They get a start with goverment help, LIKE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SUCCESSFUL COMPANIES HAVE, and they expand their markets.

Ummm....

What market?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123975399974418909.html

[Ibanez]

Indeed - the masses are being played again by the moneyed elite. When will the sheeple that listen to Hannity/Rush/Beck realize that they are not on THEIR side - but they are pawns keeping the status quo intact.

Should I be offended by these posts? I don't listen to Hannity/Rush/Beck but I do believe in the capitalism and the free market (with limited regulation). I can make a pretty cogent argument that in most cases a dollar kept in the private sector will be more effective than a dollar taken by the government because it will be reinvested in companies that create jobs and opportunities for other people while a much larger percentage of the government dollar will be wasted on bureaucratic overhead (can you say byzantine). Now you might not agree with my arguments but don't question my mental ability just because I don't agree with you. I've made up my mind based on my assessment of the information not because of what I've been spoon fed.

I'm with you. I can't stand those talk shows. I prefer to read from multiple sources and arrive at my own opinion. I don't appreciate being lumped into a general category because it's easier to assault.

[D1B]

The size of the goverment contracts could enable this company to grow larger and faster. It would be folly for any business owner to rely on one source of income, like you assume. They get a start with goverment help, LIKE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SUCCESSFUL COMPANIES HAVE, and they expand their markets.

Ummm....

What market?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123975399974418909.html

Well, I guess there will never be markets again. Everyone should just give up.

[Cap'n Cat]

T,
Bud, you're just being obstinate. Little push and they get up and running. Your line of thinking in badgering D about this denigrates the entrepeneurship of Americans, something I thought a harcore Conk might value.

Shame.

[D1B]

T,
Bud, you're just being obstinate. Little push and they get up and running. Your line of thinking in badgering D about this denigrates the entrepeneurship of Americans, something I thought a harcore Conk might value.

Shame.

Client: I want to start a business.

Tman: Great do you have a plan?

Client: Yes, it's my lifelong dream and passion to do this, I've been working on it for years.

Tman: Well, you can just forget about it, it aint gonna work.

Client: You havent even looked at my plan!

Tman: Don't need to.

Client: Why?

Tman: Because a democrat is president.

____________________________________________________________________________

Tman: Beverly, please send in the next naieve, misguided and misinformed sucker.

Beverly: Sure thing Harold.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

I think this whole thing was likely orchestrated my a high ranking officer over at Lipton.

[Wedgebuster]

I think this whole thing was likely orchestrated my a high ranking officer over at Faux News.

FIFY!

[wildkyle]

if the weather doesn't impove i won't be going

[ASUMountaineer]

if the weather doesn't impove i won't be going

What kind of an attitude is that? Are you a chick? Are you a quitter? Or, are you a bleeding heart liberal that wants something, but is willing to let other people do the work for him?

If it's the right thing, get out there and do it. Or, is it not worth fighting for?

How disappointing WK.