I guess this still has me confused. I see both a vaccine and treatment of modern diseases as the realm of "modern medicine".
A anti-venom shot for most snake bites is a necessity otherwise you will die.
A vaccine for some diseases is the same way (get vaccinated or you have a very high potential of dying), others not so much outside of certain high risk groups (aka the common flu).
All the above is "modern medicine" to me but if I chose to not to get the flu shot, it doesn't mean I distrust modern medicine, it just means for some very low risk situations (not a poisonous snake bite) I chose to forgo a potential vaccine for that years strain of flu (to use that analogy).
That's another can of worms. All poisonous snake bits don't kill. They make you very sick, or kill if you have existing conditions, are real young or real old. I just wanted to leave it at examples of modern medicine period. And I don't disagree with what you are saying.
As I was typing my reply up and hit send I think I know where you are coming from now and understand.
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BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 3:22 pm
Should have gave a ‘sometimes’ option. I put no since I’d never gotten it until about 5-6 years ago, but have about 3-4x since, after getting sick of my mom, sister, or gf getting on me about getting it..
I forgot to mention before I got the flu shot I rarely got the flu. Maybe once every 5-6 years. The 1st year I got the shot, bam got the flu. Happened last year despite getting the flu shot also. Doesn’t seem to do me any good.
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BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 3:22 pm
Should have gave a ‘sometimes’ option. I put no since I’d never gotten it until about 5-6 years ago, but have about 3-4x since, after getting sick of my mom, sister, or gf getting on me about getting it..
I forgot to mention before I got the flu shot I rarely got the flu. Maybe once every 4-5 years. The 1st year I got the shot, bam got the flu. Happened last year despite getting the flu shot also. Doesn’t seem to do me any good.
That happens, people get a version of the flu that is not the version the vaccine was for. I've had that happen to me.
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 3:22 pm
Should have gave a ‘sometimes’ option. I put no since I’d never gotten it until about 5-6 years ago, but have about 3-4x since, after getting sick of my mom, sister, or gf getting on me about getting it..
I forgot to mention before I got the flu shot I rarely got the flu. Maybe once every 4-5 years. The 1st year I got the shot, bam got the flu. Happened last year despite getting the flu shot also. Doesn’t seem to do me any good.
you probably got CVD-19
I get a flu shot every year because I fly every week and am in the airport etc.
I got CVD-19 too - I bet if you get tested your test will look like mine (Negative / Positive)
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BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 4:01 pm
I forgot to mention before I got the flu shot I rarely got the flu. Maybe once every 4-5 years. The 1st year I got the shot, bam got the flu. Happened last year despite getting the flu shot also. Doesn’t seem to do me any good.
That happens, people get a version of the flu that is not the version the vaccine was for. I've had that happen to me.
But its happened twice in the 3-4 times I’ve had the flu shot. Like I said, was rarely getting the flu before..
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BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 4:01 pm
I forgot to mention before I got the flu shot I rarely got the flu. Maybe once every 4-5 years. The 1st year I got the shot, bam got the flu. Happened last year despite getting the flu shot also. Doesn’t seem to do me any good.
you probably got CVD-19
I get a flu shot every year because I fly every week and am in the airport etc.
I got CVD-19 too - I bet if you get tested your test will look like mine (Negative / Positive)
Will probably get the antibody test this summer...
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you probably got CVD-19
I get a flu shot every year because I fly every week and am in the airport etc.
I got CVD-19 too - I bet if you get tested your test will look like mine (Negative / Positive)
Will probably get the antibody test this summer...
Same here.
I was all though South East Asia back in November/December and I am curious.
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I usually get it sometime around NOV or DEC, because it's free at the VA Clinic. Doesn't always work, but a freebie is always a good deal....
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Chizzang wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 3:45 pm
people that are adults and have never experienced flu symptoms should NOT get a flu shot...
People that "get the flu" should get a flu shot
a percentage of humans are not susceptible to the influenza virus frequently are told to get flu shots because they might have the flu and not experience symptoms but this is basically bullish!t because they've experimented on those adults
and heavy dose infected them with the flu and they got the fucvking flu
so what that tells us is that their immune systems are difficult to hack
the flu virus hijacks the protein manufacturing machinery of the cell to generate its own viral proteins and create more viral particles
if you subvert their immune system they get the flu
however left to contract the flu organically their immune system works fine
I'm not saying this isn't true; I think it is.
But I also think it's strain and age dependent. I believe the strain your immune system best fights off is usually the first one you're exposed to as child. But as we age, our immune systems naturally become more compromised. If anything, it becomes more important to take it.
The flu vaccine tries to cover as many strains as possible.
And even if it doesn't prevent you from getting it, it's almost guaranteed to reduce the symptoms you experience (except maybe in the one strain you were already immune to). I mean the mortality rate of influenza was near 8% before the vaccines were developed.
∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 7:16 pm
I'm not saying this isn't true; I think it is.
But I also think it's strain and age dependent. I believe the strain your immune system best fights off is usually the first one you're exposed to as child. But as we age, our immune systems naturally become more compromised. If anything, it becomes more important to take it.
The flu vaccine tries to cover as many strains as possible.
And even if it doesn't prevent you from getting it, it's almost guaranteed to reduce the symptoms you experience (except maybe in the one strain you were already immune to). I mean the mortality rate of influenza was near 8% before the vaccines were developed.
The flu shot only typically covers 3 of what experts believe to be the most common strains in the upcoming season. The shot may be the same from one year to the next or it maybe completely different. Some years they guess right, other years not so much.
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∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 7:16 pm
I'm not saying this isn't true; I think it is.
But I also think it's strain and age dependent. I believe the strain your immune system best fights off is usually the first one you're exposed to as child. But as we age, our immune systems naturally become more compromised. If anything, it becomes more important to take it.
The flu vaccine tries to cover as many strains as possible.
And even if it doesn't prevent you from getting it, it's almost guaranteed to reduce the symptoms you experience (except maybe in the one strain you were already immune to). I mean the mortality rate of influenza was near 8% before the vaccines were developed.
The flu shot only typically covers 3 of what experts believe to be the most common strains in the upcoming season. The shot may be the same from one year to the next or it maybe completely different. Some years they guess right, other years not so much.
It's four. But you're right, shouldn't have said "as many strains as possible."
∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 3:30 pm
Besides helping you, vaccines do help those who can't get the shots (herd immunity).
Not as much with the flu vaccine, but certainly with all the others.
The more skeptical we are with modern medicine, the more vulnerable our most vulnerable become.
On some illnesses I fully agree. (Example of polio vs the common flu).
This. Not sure how not getting a flu shot every year mean you don't trust modern medicine.
I put no because I normally don't get it. But got it the 2 years prior to this one as I had an infant at home. After the "experts" whiffed on whatever cocktail they use in the flu shot during last flu season, I don't think I'll ever get one again.
As far a Chinese Flu vaccine goes, I'll probably not get it since I'm not in a high risk demographic. Also this thing will be rushed and who knows what kind of side effects its going to have. Maybe when the "experts" refine it over the next 25 years then maybe I'll take it when I hit the high risk zone. Maybe.
I didn't for a long time. Then I started to at my Dr.'s recommendation. I didn't go to them for a long time either btw. I missed this past flu season though.
On some illnesses I fully agree. (Example of polio vs the common flu).
This. Not sure how not getting a flu shot every year mean you don't trust modern medicine.
I put no because I normally don't get it. But got it the 2 years prior to this one as I had an infant at home. After the "experts" whiffed on whatever cocktail they use in the flu shot during last flu season, I don't think I'll ever get one again.
As far a Chinese Flu vaccine goes, I'll probably not get it since I'm not in a high risk demographic. Also this thing will be rushed and who knows what kind of side effects its going to have. Maybe when the "experts" refine it over the next 25 years then maybe I'll take it when I hit the high risk zone. Maybe.
Anti-Vaxers, I have a friend that thinks all vaccines are government conspiracies. The family prefers vitamins and supplements.
The flu shot only typically covers 3 of what experts believe to be the most common strains in the upcoming season. The shot may be the same from one year to the next or it maybe completely different. Some years they guess right, other years not so much.
It's four. But you're right, shouldn't have said "as many strains as possible."
Per your link (and what I was thinking of) is that there is a trivalent vaccine, along with the quadrivalent one you mention. I remembered the trivalent vaccine, as that is the one they gave out at work in the past. Reading your link it looks like the quadrivalent vaccine was first introduced this past flu season.
“The best of all things is to learn. Money can be lost or stolen, health and strength may fail, but what you have committed to your mind is yours forever.” – Louis L’Amour
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf
"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein
On some illnesses I fully agree. (Example of polio vs the common flu).
This. Not sure how not getting a flu shot every year mean you don't trust modern medicine.
I put no because I normally don't get it. But got it the 2 years prior to this one as I had an infant at home. After the "experts" whiffed on whatever cocktail they use in the flu shot during last flu season, I don't think I'll ever get one again.
As far a Chinese Flu vaccine goes, I'll probably not get it since I'm not in a high risk demographic. Also this thing will be rushed and who knows what kind of side effects its going to have. Maybe when the "experts" refine it over the next 25 years then maybe I'll take it when I hit the high risk zone. Maybe.
Like I mentioned above I probably will not either right away, due to the fact that there are several different ways a vaccine is developed and the associated risks with each type of vaccine is different depending on the development process. Once the process is further along and if I am found to fall in a high risk category I will look into it.
As of right now, no way am I being a lab rat for something that has had the safeguards stripped to the minimum in the rush to be the first to come out with a China Flu vaccine.
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"I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.” – Albert Einstein
I only just recently started getting the flu shot every year - I think I've done two years in a row so far. And I do it because it's free (covered by insurance) and because work has arranged for a drugstore chain to come into the office and do them so all I need to do is walk down the hall to get it. I've never had the flu, before or after getting the vaccines. I don't see anything wrong with getting the shot, and at that price, it's worth my time and effort to get it. I'm not 50 yet, but I can see the value in getting it the older and more immuno-compromised you get.
On another note, I did actually get a mild case of shingles a few weeks ago. Nothing severe, just mildly irritating. Had a spot right on my side that would have my shirt rub against it when I moved. Did a virtual visit with the doctor, he confirmed it to be shingles, got an anti-viral for a week and put lidocaine on the spots all week, and after a week I was good. I hear it's worse if you get it when you're older or if you get it in a bad spot - mine was the torso so no huge issue. Doc said the antibodies I have from this should last a few years so I don't need that vaccine for awhile now.
Haven't had one in maybe 10 years. The real reason is that I'm lazy. Stupid-ass health insurance company requires a physical/biometrics between January 1 and August 30 every year. Most people get the flu shot in the Fall.
So this would require me to make another trip somewhere to get a flu shot instead of doing it with my physical and/or bloodwork visits.
This. Not sure how not getting a flu shot every year mean you don't trust modern medicine.
I put no because I normally don't get it. But got it the 2 years prior to this one as I had an infant at home. After the "experts" whiffed on whatever cocktail they use in the flu shot during last flu season, I don't think I'll ever get one again.
As far a Chinese Flu vaccine goes, I'll probably not get it since I'm not in a high risk demographic. Also this thing will be rushed and who knows what kind of side effects its going to have. Maybe when the "experts" refine it over the next 25 years then maybe I'll take it when I hit the high risk zone. Maybe.
Anti-Vaxers, I have a friend that thinks all vaccines are government conspiracies. The family prefers vitamins and supplements.
Not getting the flu shot does not make one an anti-vaxer Gil. Just like wanting to reopen doesn't make one heartless.
