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kalm wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 11:38 am
Bobcat wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 11:05 am

Its proven fact and its on display everyday on Twitter. Everyone gets to play not just the left.
Ever hear of shadow banning and algorithmic coding?
Yes, and now its gone off of Twitter thanks to Elon. It was prevalent before he bought it. Thanks for being unbiased for once
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kalm wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 11:41 am
I shouldnt even have to explain how algorithms work. I wonder what the word engagement means, Cuban obviously doesnt know.
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Bobcat wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 11:56 am
kalm wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 11:38 am

Ever hear of shadow banning and algorithmic coding?
Yes, and now its gone off of Twitter thanks to Elon. It was prevalent before he bought it. Thanks for being unbiased for once
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:21 pm
So when is she turning herself in for her Russia collusion hoax or Benghazi was caused by a video hoax?
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:37 pm
Without looking it up, I’m making an easy guess that Kamala never said “prison for misinformation.” :lol:
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kalm wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:50 am
BDKJMU wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:37 pm
Without looking it up, I’m making an easy guess that Kamala never said “prison for misinformation.” :lol:
You’re right. Hillary said it. On video a few posts up.
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:10 am
kalm wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:50 am

Without looking it up, I’m making an easy guess that Kamala never said “prison for misinformation.” :lol:
You’re right. Hillary said it. On video a few posts up.
...same poster you show trying to limit Hillary's free speech in another thread. So sad....so bitter.....so misanthropic......why do you bother with existence at all? :ohno:
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kalm wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:50 am
BDKJMU wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:37 pm
Without looking it up, I’m making an easy guess that Kamala never said “prison for misinformation.” :lol:
She absolutely did
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Elon Musk’s X Suspends Journalist Who Reported Leaked J.D. Vance Docs
Independent journalist Ken Klippenstein on Thursday reported on the leaked 271-page dossier on Vance, allegedly from the Trump campaign’s research team, which mainstream media outlets had refused to publish. Just hours later, Klippenstein was banned from X, where he’d shared a link to his reporting and to the dossier.

X users have found that they are unable to even post the link to Klippenstein’s Substack newsletter on X without receiving a message that the link is “potentially harmful.”
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Though some may try to argue that Klippenstein’s post broke X guidelines by publishing hacked materials and is thus “doxxing” Vance, Twitter actually changed its terms of service years ago, in part thanks to the Hunter Biden laptop story and claims of “anti-conservative” bias. The page regarding the platform’s hacked materials policy no longer exists. Musk heavily criticized Twitter’s supposed suppression of the laptop story, later elevating the so-called “Twitter Files” with right-wing journalists Matt Taibbi and Bari Weiss to expose the social media company’s previous content-moderation strategies.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 4:53 pm Elon Musk’s X Suspends Journalist Who Reported Leaked J.D. Vance Docs
Independent journalist Ken Klippenstein on Thursday reported on the leaked 271-page dossier on Vance, allegedly from the Trump campaign’s research team, which mainstream media outlets had refused to publish. Just hours later, Klippenstein was banned from X, where he’d shared a link to his reporting and to the dossier.

X users have found that they are unable to even post the link to Klippenstein’s Substack newsletter on X without receiving a message that the link is “potentially harmful.”
...
Though some may try to argue that Klippenstein’s post broke X guidelines by publishing hacked materials and is thus “doxxing” Vance, Twitter actually changed its terms of service years ago, in part thanks to the Hunter Biden laptop story and claims of “anti-conservative” bias. The page regarding the platform’s hacked materials policy no longer exists. Musk heavily criticized Twitter’s supposed suppression of the laptop story, later elevating the so-called “Twitter Files” with right-wing journalists Matt Taibbi and Bari Weiss to expose the social media company’s previous content-moderation strategies.
elon the hypocrite strikes again!
Yep. Anyone who thinks he’s about freedom except for himself and his bootlickers is fooling themselves.

And FWIW, Klippenstein is a solid journalist.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 4:53 pm Elon Musk’s X Suspends Journalist Who Reported Leaked J.D. Vance Docs
Independent journalist Ken Klippenstein on Thursday reported on the leaked 271-page dossier on Vance, allegedly from the Trump campaign’s research team, which mainstream media outlets had refused to publish. Just hours later, Klippenstein was banned from X, where he’d shared a link to his reporting and to the dossier.

X users have found that they are unable to even post the link to Klippenstein’s Substack newsletter on X without receiving a message that the link is “potentially harmful.”
...
Though some may try to argue that Klippenstein’s post broke X guidelines by publishing hacked materials and is thus “doxxing” Vance, Twitter actually changed its terms of service years ago, in part thanks to the Hunter Biden laptop story and claims of “anti-conservative” bias. The page regarding the platform’s hacked materials policy no longer exists. Musk heavily criticized Twitter’s supposed suppression of the laptop story, later elevating the so-called “Twitter Files” with right-wing journalists Matt Taibbi and Bari Weiss to expose the social media company’s previous content-moderation strategies.
elon the hypocrite strikes again!
Wrong.
Hunter’s laptop wasn’t hacked. The hacked by Russians was an hoax, an excuse Twitter then used to suppress it. You and the whiney leftists are making an apples to oranges comparison.
Leftist users on the platform responded by crying foul, claiming that X banning Klippenstein is similar to how the company, under previous ownership, suppressed the Hunter Biden laptop story in the lead-up to the 2020 presidential election.

This is one of those instances that makes me wonder whether these people are stupid, or if they just think the rest of us are stupid. Either way, they are brazenly lying.

At the center of this controversy is Klippenstein’s decision to release the Trump campaign’s vetting documents on Vance, which included the senator’s personal information, including emails, phone numbers, and addresses. The documents were obtained by hackers on behalf of the Islamic Republic of Iran, which means there's a possibility that Klippenstein may be (purposely or accidentally) doing Tehran’s bidding for political purposes.

In response, X suspended Klippenstein’s account, which has angered folks on the left. They argue that this decision is hypocritical. They also claim folks on the right who support the move are also being hypocritical because of their opposition to the platform’s decision to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story.

What these folks are missing – or deliberately leaving out – is that X adopted a policy in March that disallows “doxxing,” which occurs when someone exposes personal information without the person’s consent:
You may not threaten to expose, incentivize others to expose, or publish or post other people's private information without their express authorization and permission, or share private media of individuals without their consent.

Sharing someone’s private information online without their permission, sometimes called “doxxing,” is a breach of their privacy and can pose serious safety and security risks for those affected.

Additionally, posting images is an important part of our users' experience on X. However, where individuals have a reasonable expectation of privacy in an individual piece of media, we believe they should be able to determine whether or not it is shared. When we are notified by individuals depicted, or their authorized representative, that they did not consent to having media shared, we will remove the media. This policy is not applicable to public figures.

Lastly, having sexual, nude, or intimate media shared without express consent not only severely violates someone’s privacy and psychological safety, but can lead to physical, emotional, and financial hardship and we work tirelessly to remove this content immediately.
Under the previous management, the laptop story was suppressed for a different reason: The company claimed it was information that was hacked by Russians. This contention was later exposed as one in a long list of left-wing hoaxes.

What is also interesting about this story is that the doxxing of Vance was done using information coming from Iranian hackers, which clearly violates the platform’s rules.


Those on the left complaining about Klippenstein’s suspension are the true hypocrites. They are only upset because one of their own faced consequences for violating X’s terms of service. If he had done this under the company’s previous management, there is no way he would have been suspended because he has the “correct” political beliefs; those in charge would likely be hoping that the information would somehow hurt Trump’s chances of winning reelection….
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kalm wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:17 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 4:53 pm Elon Musk’s X Suspends Journalist Who Reported Leaked J.D. Vance Docs
elon the hypocrite strikes again!
Yep. Anyone who thinks he’s about freedom except for himself and his bootlickers is fooling themselves.

And FWIW, Klippenstein is a solid journalist.
Nope. Case of whiney hypocritical libs who are too stupid to see these are 2 completely different situations..
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:58 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:17 pm

Yep. Anyone who thinks he’s about freedom except for himself and his bootlickers is fooling themselves.

And FWIW, Klippenstein is a solid journalist.
Nope. Case of whiney hypocritical libs who are too stupid to see these are 2 completely different situations..
What two situations?
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:58 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:17 pm
Yep. Anyone who thinks he’s about freedom except for himself and his bootlickers is fooling themselves.

And FWIW, Klippenstein is a solid journalist.
Nope. Case of whiney hypocritical libs who are too stupid to see these are 2 different but similar situations..
FYP

If the roles were reversed you'd be screaming bloody murder.
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Speaking only for me but I would never scream bloody murder if free speech is allowed no matter what is being said or who is saying it.

Censorship of any kind is wrong, and can be violently dangerous.
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Trump Calls On Fox News to Censor Harris
“I have to sit there and listen to her bulls— last night. And who puts it on? Fox News, and they shouldn’t be allowed to put it on,” Trump said, adding that everything Harris said “is a lie.”
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Thanks for pointing out the media attacks on Trump.

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‘It’s the First Amendment, stupid.’ Judge tells Florida to stop threatening TV stations
A federal judge ordered Gov. Ron DeSantis’ state Health Department to stop threatening television stations with criminal prosecution if they kept running ads in favor of an abortion amendment on the ballot next month.

In a sharply worded ruling on Thursday, U.S. District Judge Mark Walker rebuked the DeSantis administration for trying to quash what he called constitutionally protected political speech.

“To keep it simple for the State of Florida: it’s the First Amendment, stupid,” Walker wrote, granting a request for a temporary restraining order. A hearing for a preliminary injunction is scheduled for later this month.
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Amazing how many Palestinian supporters here don't realize why Telegram was targeted. It's because of the Israeli atrocities are shown. Can't put that stuff on Facebook or YouTube. Plenty of US platform peddle child porn and you don't see anything happening to them.

It's also why you keep hearing about Tik Tok and the Chinese. Same thing. Tik Tok can't be controlled by the West and they can't stand it.

COVID censorship and the threat of loss of employment should have opened your eyes.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:59 am
Bobskat wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:48 am The lefties wont care.

Just like the Trump Russia stuff was made up bullshit they still parrot that as fact. They interfered with an election and they dont care. That who they are.
The trump russia stuff was not made up bullshit.
- russia regularly interferes in US and other elections.
- There were connections between donald's campaign and russia.

A lack of convictions doesn't mean nothing happened. It could mean that there just wasn't enough evidence or what happened wasn't serious enough to merit a conviction.

It's very similar to many of the allegations against hunter biden. There is enough stink there to believe something happened but not enough evidence to convict.
Care to spell out exactly how Trump colluded with Russia to win the election? This is another one of your stupid but Trump statements that you can't back up.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 10:38 am
UNI88 wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:59 am
The trump russia stuff was not made up bullshit.
- russia regularly interferes in US and other elections.
- There were connections between donald's campaign and russia.

A lack of convictions doesn't mean nothing happened. It could mean that there just wasn't enough evidence or what happened wasn't serious enough to merit a conviction.

It's very similar to many of the allegations against hunter biden. There is enough stink there to believe something happened but not enough evidence to convict.
Care to spell out exactly how Trump colluded with Russia to win the election? This is another one of your stupid but Trump statements that you can't back up.
After you point out where I said doneOLD colluded with russia to win the election.

There is plenty of proof that russia regularly interferes in US and other elections. You can start with RT. Were Tim Pool, Dave Rubin and Benny Johnson, etc. victims or willing accomplices knowingly accepting rubles?

Are you going to argue that doneOLD's campaign had no ties to russia or putin?

I'm on record as saying the first impeachment shouldn't have happened.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 10:36 am Amazing how many Palestinian supporters here don't realize why Telegram was targeted. It's because of the Israeli atrocities are shown. Can't put that stuff on Facebook or YouTube. Plenty of US platform peddle child porn and you don't see anything happening to them.

It's also why you keep hearing about Tik Tok and the Chinese. Same thing. Tik Tok can't be controlled by the West and they can't stand it.

COVID censorship and the threat of loss of employment should have opened your eyes.
I don't think it's just about the West not being able to control Tik Tok. It's a Chinese company which makes it and it's executives vulnerable to CCP demands. The possibility of the CCP being able to access user data and/or influence algorithms are legitimate concerns.

The West's control over Facebook, YouTube or other social media is a nothing compared to what the CCP can exert over Tik Tok.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 10:48 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 10:38 am

Care to spell out exactly how Trump colluded with Russia to win the election? This is another one of your stupid but Trump statements that you can't back up.
After you point out where I said doneOLD colluded with russia to win the election.

There is plenty of proof that russia regularly interferes in US and other elections. You can start with RT. Were Tim Pool, Dave Rubin and Benny Johnson, etc. victims or willing accomplices knowingly accepting rubles?

Are you going to argue that doneOLD's campaign had no ties to russia or putin?

I'm on record as saying the first impeachment shouldn't have happened.
The fact that you said Russia interferes and Trump has relations, or is that the summation of your impactful assessment?
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