2025 Schumer Shutdown

[kalm]

The real BS is while federal workers don‘t get paid while the shutdown is going on (essential will get back and every time in the past non essential has also) Congress will continue to get their paychecks. Complete BS and a pox on both sides (conk and donk).

There is literally no reason to shut down the government other than politics and posturing. Everything they are concerned about and working on (assuming they are really concerned and assuming they are really working on it) could be done with the government open and the million or so people current impacted wouldn't be impacted. It was dumb all the times the GOP did this before and it's dumb now that the Dems are doing it. Politics at its worst.

Neither side works for the people. It’s all performative bullshit.

If you’re the Dems and have lost the Whitehouse, SCOTUS, and Congress, it’s really your only play other than the some of the lower courts.

[Caribbean Hen]

There is literally no reason to shut down the government other than politics and posturing. Everything they are concerned about and working on (assuming they are really concerned and assuming they are really working on it) could be done with the government open and the million or so people current impacted wouldn't be impacted. It was dumb all the times the GOP did this before and it's dumb now that the Dems are doing it. Politics at its worst.

Neither side works for the people. It’s all performative bullshit.

If you’re the Dems and have lost the Whitehouse, SCOTUS, and Congress, it’s really your only play other than the some of the lower courts.

When will they stop playing?

[BDKJMU]

Praise God.

[Caribbean Hen]

Jeffries has a raging case of TDS

That’s really what this whole shutdown is about as Donald Trump has sent the idiotic Democrats reeling with the truth that they can’t bear to hear…. At this point in time, Democrats are completely worthless. No ideas at all.

It’s all about get Trump and that has already proven to be a losing strategy

[GannonFan]

On an interesting note, it seems like all of the service academies are bringing back in their furloughed civilian professors (the full time, federally paid ones. The adjunct civilian professors have been there all along, think they're funded through alumni associations). Seems they've been reclassified as exempted.

[Caribbean Hen]

Two thugs from Brooklyn shut down the United States government only because they have to appear like they want to “get Trump”

If they were smart, and wanted to pull their worthless asses out of the gutter, they would realize they need to work with Donald Trump…. Just imagine how good things would be if the did

[GannonFan]

Given that the GOP has figured out how to do a carve out and pay the military (apparently they got their paychecks this past week and I assume they know how to do that going forward), and given that they're looking to do that with federal officers, once those constituencies are covered for the long term there won't be a lot of pressure on the GOP to make a deal to get the government back open. This thing could drag on well past the 30 some day record for shutdowns. Heck, this thing could go through the holidays. The Dems have been shortsighted with this - this is what Trump basically wants anyway - he gets to run the government without the legislature even being there to do anything. Fortunately, the court system will still function during this time, but the Dems have pretty much sidelined their branch of government.

[UNI88]

Given that the GOP has figured out how to do a carve out and pay the military (apparently they got their paychecks this past week and I assume they know how to do that going forward), and given that they're looking to do that with federal officers, once those constituencies are covered for the long term there won't be a lot of pressure on the GOP to make a deal to get the government back open. This thing could drag on well past the 30 some day record for shutdowns. Heck, this thing could go through the holidays. The Dems have been shortsighted with this - this is what Trump basically wants anyway - he gets to run the government without the legislature even being there to do anything. Fortunately, the court system will still function during this time, but the Dems have pretty much sidelined their branch of government.

Do you think they'll find the money to pay the Capitol Police? Or will they be conveniently overlooked?

[GannonFan]

Given that the GOP has figured out how to do a carve out and pay the military (apparently they got their paychecks this past week and I assume they know how to do that going forward), and given that they're looking to do that with federal officers, once those constituencies are covered for the long term there won't be a lot of pressure on the GOP to make a deal to get the government back open. This thing could drag on well past the 30 some day record for shutdowns. Heck, this thing could go through the holidays. The Dems have been shortsighted with this - this is what Trump basically wants anyway - he gets to run the government without the legislature even being there to do anything. Fortunately, the court system will still function during this time, but the Dems have pretty much sidelined their branch of government.

Do you think they'll find the money to pay the Capitol Police? Or will they be conveniently overlooked?

I'm sure they'll skip them. This is politics, they'll only find money for their constituencies. Apparently they're trying to fund SNAP as well, so if they can do that then government could be shutdown well into the new year.

[BDKJMU]

Do you think they'll find the money to pay the Capitol Police? Or will they be conveniently overlooked?

I'm sure they'll skip them. This is politics, they'll only find money for their constituencies. Apparently they're trying to fund SNAP as well, so if they can do that then government could be shutdown well into the new year.

Even before finding $$$ to pay the military and some essential (fed LEOs at least) something like 83% of Fed spending continued (at least that was the case the last shutdown). So this might get it up close to 90%.

For most folks outside the beltway it’s what govt shutdown?

On 10/1 should have started an over/under thread for when the shutdown would end.

[GannonFan]

I'm sure they'll skip them. This is politics, they'll only find money for their constituencies. Apparently they're trying to fund SNAP as well, so if they can do that then government could be shutdown well into the new year.

Even before finding $$$ to pay the military and some essential (fed LEOs at least) something like 83% of Fed spending continued (at least that was the case the last shutdown). So this might get it up close to 90%.

For most folks outside the beltway it’s what govt shutdown?

On 10/1 should have started an over/under thread for when the shutdown would end.

Agreed, it's weird anymore - basically the shutdown is closing national parks and having non-essential government workers stay home and wait to be paid in full after the shutdown is over (assuming that Trump can't fire them). That's why this shutdown is so strange - we're getting close to winter so national parks generally see much lower traffic in these months anyway, and if non-essential work stops who really notices since it wasn't essential in the first place. And like I said, with Congress pretty much deciding not to work, it's pretty much Trump running the government on his own with the judicial branch stepping in here and there to say "you can't do that". Sounds like something Trump would be fine with for the foreseeable future. Not sure where the Dem leverage is if the GOP can pay the military and federal law enforcement. Maybe when people want to get back to the national parks in the spring.

[UNI88]

CBS News poll finds few feel shutdown is worth it, low marks for Republicans, Democrats and Trump's handling

Neither party is on very solid footing. The top descriptor Americans pick for the Democratic Party overall is "weak;" the party trails the GOP on being described as "effective" and "strong," and their favorables trail the GOP's. The top descriptor for Republicans, though, is "extreme."

All of it looks to the public like another distraction from larger matters of concern. A sizable majority of the country says the Trump administration isn't focused enough on lowering prices, and is focused too much on tariffs, as they have been for months.

[Caribbean Hen]

Eventually, the government shut down will catch up to us, probably not this one but it’s coming

I’m talking about the 37 trillion national debt. The government shut down because Republicans cut 1.5 trillion
via legislation that got passed and Dems can’t accept it. 1.5 trillion Wasn’t nearly enough but all Dems and most Republicans are clueless on managing money

the entitlement mentality, the spoiled rotten Americans weighted heavily to the Democratic side, will ensure no entitlement can be cut. You can cut anything without people stomping their feet kicking, screaming and crying.

This debt problem is continually being kicked down the road by politicians that need to get reelected to have a job

One day it will catch up to us, but don’t try to tell Democrat

[BDKJMU]

One donk who gets it:

[kalm]

One donk who gets it:

[GannonFan]

One donk who gets it:

I don't doubt that without the COVID era subsidies that premium costs on the Obamacare plans will increase. But for accuracy, in the letter you linked, it said Arizonans in the second district would see increases of 109%. But the person he references in that district, Robin, would actually see an at least 200% increase (3x) with the numbers he's using. Why the difference in the same memo?

Of course, all of this goes back to the question of how to finance a national health care system (which is what Obamacare, and then the subsequent efforts to increase access to it, where and are). Given our massive debt and how that doesn't have an answer, I'm not hopeful we have an answer on this. The current system we have is unsustainable. I haven't heard anyone from any side of the aisle talk about what to do about that.

[kalm]

I don't doubt that without the COVID era subsidies that premium costs on the Obamacare plans will increase. But for accuracy, in the letter you linked, it said Arizonans in the second district would see increases of 109%. But the person he references in that district, Robin, would actually see an at least 200% increase (3x) with the numbers he's using. Why the difference in the same memo?

Of course, all of this goes back to the question of how to finance a national health care system (which is what Obamacare, and then the subsequent efforts to increase access to it, where and are). Given our massive debt and how that doesn't have an answer, I'm not hopeful we have an answer on this. The current system we have is unsustainable. I haven't heard anyone from any side of the aisle talk about what to do about that.

Bernie has been talking about it for 50 years. We spend way more on per capita healthcare with lower outcomes than countries with socialized medicine. It’s not even close.

What’s unsustainable is a middle class under end-stage capitalism. We can either be an oligarchy or a thriving democracy.

[GannonFan]

I don't doubt that without the COVID era subsidies that premium costs on the Obamacare plans will increase. But for accuracy, in the letter you linked, it said Arizonans in the second district would see increases of 109%. But the person he references in that district, Robin, would actually see an at least 200% increase (3x) with the numbers he's using. Why the difference in the same memo?

Of course, all of this goes back to the question of how to finance a national health care system (which is what Obamacare, and then the subsequent efforts to increase access to it, where and are). Given our massive debt and how that doesn't have an answer, I'm not hopeful we have an answer on this. The current system we have is unsustainable. I haven't heard anyone from any side of the aisle talk about what to do about that.

Bernie has been talking about it for 50 years. We spend way more on per capita healthcare with lower outcomes than countries with socialized medicine. It’s not even close.

What’s unsustainable is a middle class under end-stage capitalism. We can either be an oligarchy or a thriving democracy.

Wow, 5 sentences and you're literally all over the place. As for healthcare vis a vis other countries, we've gone over this a bunch. Most other countries have heteregenous populations relative to the US, don't have anywhere as much statistical impact from auto accidents and gun related accidents, and don't have the issue of both size and spreading out of population we do. Can it be better, sure, but we're not comparing apples to apples in terms of population or what impacts outcomes. And we're not showing any inclination that we'd be okay with the rationing of healthcare that comes with socialized medicine versus our everything on demand now approach we have.

As for the other part, you cough up end-stage capitalism (what the heck does that even mean? We're close to not making and selling things anymore? On what planet are you talking about?). And then you throw in oligarchies and thriving democracies. What's your definition of a thriving democracy? Sure, we have people with outsized access to government, but at the same time, I vote every election for my township supervisors all the way up to the President of the United States. Seems to be working, even if we don't always like who gets elected. The apocalypse still appears far off.

[UNI88]

I don't doubt that without the COVID era subsidies that premium costs on the Obamacare plans will increase. But for accuracy, in the letter you linked, it said Arizonans in the second district would see increases of 109%. But the person he references in that district, Robin, would actually see an at least 200% increase (3x) with the numbers he's using. Why the difference in the same memo?

Of course, all of this goes back to the question of how to finance a national health care system (which is what Obamacare, and then the subsequent efforts to increase access to it, where and are). Given our massive debt and how that doesn't have an answer, I'm not hopeful we have an answer on this. The current system we have is unsustainable. I haven't heard anyone from any side of the aisle talk about what to do about that.

Bernie has been talking about it for 50 years. We spend way more on per capita healthcare with lower outcomes than countries with socialized medicine. It’s not even close.

What’s unsustainable is a middle class under end-stage capitalism. We can either be an oligarchy or a thriving democracy.

End-stage capitalism? You talk about capitalism like it's a cancer.

While our political and economic systems are related they are not joined at the hip. Regardless, we can weather the trump storm and continue to be a republic and have capitalist economy. That is the combination that lead to the standard of living that we enjoy today and the one that we should strive for moving forward.

The healthcare system we have now is definitely broken and needs to be fixed. I'm not sure what it will take to get the 2 sides to actually work on it but we're approaching a breaking point (in costs and time for appointments).

[Caribbean Hen]

Bernie has been talking about it for 50 years. We spend way more on per capita healthcare with lower outcomes than countries with socialized medicine. It’s not even close.

What’s unsustainable is a middle class under end-stage capitalism. We can either be an oligarchy or a thriving democracy.

End-stage capitalism? You talk about capitalism like it's a cancer.

While our political and economic systems are related they are not joined at the hip. Regardless, we can weather the trump storm and continue to be a republic and have capitalist economy. That is the combination that lead to the standard of living that we enjoy today and the one that we should strive for moving forward.

The healthcare system we have now is definitely broken and needs to be fixed. I'm not sure what it will take to get the 2 sides to actually work on it but we're approaching a breaking point (in costs and time for appointments).

Don’t expect Kalmela to think things through

He is just posting the notes they mail to him

[Caribbean Hen]

The imaging obsession in the medical industry is off the charts

Of course, many of them are necessary, but nobody should deny that many of them aren’t.

Their goal is to get you into the system where they can image you and Ct Scan you to death, often finding things that scare you to death that you will die with and not from

[BDKJMU]

One donk who gets it:

Donks refuse to pass a clean CR.

[BDKJMU]

Senate Dems tank GOP plan to pay troops, fund Pentagon as shutdown hits Day 16

Senate Republicans’ plan to reignite the government funding process was torpedoed by Senate Democrats, who blocked a bill that would pay the troops as the federal government entered Day 16 of the shutdown.

The annual defense appropriations bill was blocked largely along party lines on Friday, with only a handful of Senate Democrats joining Republicans to advance the measure. While President Donald Trump made a temporary move to ensure that military service members were paid, that funding won't last forever.

The only Senate Democrats to cross the aisle were Sens. John Fetterman, D-Pa., Catherine Cortez Masto, D-Nev., and Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H. Lawmakers are now headed home after a short week in Washington, D.C.

"I think the people in our military deserve to get paid," Fetterman said. "That's what my vote is about." …

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate ... its-day-16

[Caribbean Hen]

Senate Dems tank GOP plan to pay troops, fund Pentagon as shutdown hits Day 16

Senate Republicans’ plan to reignite the government funding process was torpedoed by Senate Democrats, who blocked a bill that would pay the troops as the federal government entered Day 16 of the shutdown.

The annual defense appropriations bill was blocked largely along party lines on Friday, with only a handful of Senate Democrats joining Republicans to advance the measure. While President Donald Trump made a temporary move to ensure that military service members were paid, that funding won't last forever.

The only Senate Democrats to cross the aisle were Sens. John Fetterman, D-Pa., Catherine Cortez Masto, D-Nev., and Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H. Lawmakers are now headed home after a short week in Washington, D.C.

"I think the people in our military deserve to get paid," Fetterman said. "That's what my vote is about." …

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate ... its-day-16

Fetterman is the adult in DC

Why is this guy at Democrat?

[UNI88]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate ... its-day-16

Fetterman is the adult in DC

Why is this guy at Democrat?

He should be a Libertarian. He's too good for either major party.