All Things California

[HI54UNI]

If they tax texts only the poor and ignorant will still text. Everybody else will do something else to avoid the tax. So how long before they start taxing DMs, snaps, etc?

[LeadBolt]

This sums it up nicely. Well done.

As I've said before, California is the cereal state - it's filled with fruits, flakes and nuts. Residents aside it is also filled with beautiful places. There are states with better beaches, better mountains, better whatever but I don't think there is a state with the variety and number of beautiful places and it has great weather to boot.

"In those days at the appropriate time, God decided to pick up the USA by the Eastern Seabord and all of the nuts rolled down hill to California." Thus endth the reading.

[∞∞∞]

Texting has been on the decline for years

I agree with everything else about your post but that. It's simply not true. Even the article you linked said that SMS texting at the time of the article was 17.6 billion per day and was projected to be 21 billion at a later time. That's a 20% increase.

Texting is growing. Just not as much as chat apps are growing.

As GF said, texting is simple and to the point. There's no "I gotta be doing the latest thing because I'm a millennial who (thinks he) knows everything" aspect to it. And a lot of people who didn't even have smartphones just five years ago, like my parents who got their first ones last month, are just discovering and loving the convenience of texting.

I mean simple SMS texting is going to be dead, especially when both Android and Apple have announced they're done with the technology...which is essentially every phone platform on the market. The future is simply in chat-type platforms instead of text messaging, and I'm sure they have the numbers to justify the move.

Google already announced that Hangouts/Allo are being discontinued and that Google Messages will move to RCS in order to integrate the features of Hangouts/Allo into one platform on Android. It's just that the infrastructure needs to catch up, but all the carriers are on board at this point.

I guess you could think of these chat apps as a super form of texting, but they're really not. Your parents are going to have to learn how to use them though because SMS messaging will literally be unsupported by all the major developers. The carriers will still have the infrastructure, but they don't program the phones.

[93henfan]

I agree with everything else about your post but that. It's simply not true. Even the article you linked said that SMS texting at the time of the article was 17.6 billion per day and was projected to be 21 billion at a later time. That's a 20% increase.

Texting is growing. Just not as much as chat apps are growing.

As GF said, texting is simple and to the point. There's no "I gotta be doing the latest thing because I'm a millennial who (thinks he) knows everything" aspect to it. And a lot of people who didn't even have smartphones just five years ago, like my parents who got their first ones last month, are just discovering and loving the convenience of texting.

I mean simple SMS texting is going to be dead, especially when both Android and Apple have announced they're done with the technology...which is essentially every phone platform on the market. The future is simply in chat-type platforms instead of text messaging...and the numbers reflect it.

Google already announced that Hangouts/Allo are being discontinued and that Google Messages will move to RCS in order to integrate the features of Hangouts/Allo into one platform on Android. It's just that the infrastructure needs to catch up, but all the carriers are on board at this point.

I guess you could think of these chat apps as a super form of texting, but they're really not. Your parents are going to have to learn how to use them though because SMS messaging will literally be unsupported by all the major developers. The carriers will still have the infrastructure, but they don't program the phones.

Techno babble on your part.

Nobody cares what it's called underneath. They want to text on their phone and they're going to do it.

If you want to say "ah HA, it's not called SMS in 2018", then fine, go ahead. But whatever the underlying program is called, people are still going to look for the TEXT program on their phones and use it.

I just switched from iPhone to Pixel. I don't give a flying FUCK what runs the text function. I just know that Google put five icons that they think I'll use most on my phone on the home page. One is text, and I use the hell out of it. Now, if you want to say that's a "chat" or whatever, knock yourself out. The other 90% of the world calls it texting. If California isn't taxing whatever it's called now, oh they'll find a way. That's what Democrats do when they get a majority.

[∞∞∞]

I totally get what you're saying, but it's not going to be just phone-to-phone.

That "texting" will be way more powerful. And most of the world calls it "messaging."

[93henfan]

I totally get what you're saying, but it's not going to be just phone-to-phone.

That "texting" will be way more powerful. And most of the world calls it "messaging."

No, they really don't. They call it texting.

[CID1990]

Is it just me or did Treep just out-semantic Jelly?

[css75]

I can’t wait till Gavin Newsom takes over there, he will make Gov. Jerry Moonbeam Brown look more conservative than Rush Limbaugh. Get your popcorn ready


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[houndawg]

How's the "sustaining" of the industrial Midwest going? Wisconsin sold itself to the Chinese just to create a few thousand jobs. It's gonna take a lot of government tax dollars to keep those states afloat!

Jeff,
You'll notice the California HATE is fully active on this forum...

An epidemic of CDS...


You fellas should be watching CA very carefully because what are their problems now will become our problems later.

When I graduated high school in '73 there were about 15 million people residing in CA and 3.5 billion on the planet. Today there are about 38 million in CA and 7 billion on the planet - a doubling in 45 years. The next doubling to 14 billion on the planet won't take 45 years. Buy land in a place where there is enough rainfall to make irrigation unnecessary, your descendants will thank you for your foresight.

[houndawg]

Zero credibility if NJ and IL aren’t top 5..

I don’t buy that list at all, I used to live in Sac and if they are not 1 they have to be top 5 if that list has any validity at all.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I grew up near Sac out in Rocklin when it was a town of 2,000. I live in IL now and trust me, IL may seem kind of bland after CA and while NJ knows how to corruption with the best of them, and Louisiana gets 100% of available style points and is never boring the simple fact is that when it comes to graft and corruption on an industrial scale it's very hard to top IL. We have enough governors and Congressmen in jail to have their own poker table. In fact I sent Mike Madigan a proposal to help generate revenue for our desperate State that involves very wealthy persons paying large fees to join the Governor's Big House Poker Tournament. A complimentary striped shirt and a free night's stay at the Big House are included along with a continental breakfast.

[houndawg]

Is it just me or did Treep just out-semantic Jelly?

He tried to for sure but the jury is still out...the kid aims high, I'm impressed...

[houndawg]

California used to be great, I have lived there so I can proudly speak about it. It is too congested, some areas very crime ridden (Jeff, go for a ride in Compton it will be more thrilling than Disneyland), too expensive, too prone to natural disasters and the state is run by a very corrupt Democratic system supported by state unions.

And yet
It's where I make almost all of my money

You'll also notice it's enormous
So you're speaking of the major cities - because - huge swaths of California are almost uninhabited
and when I say huge swaths I mean like you can drive hours and see only tiny little towns if you do it right

you haven't seen almost uninhabited until you've driven up the Lost Coast - next time you're in the Mendocino/Humboldt area have somebody take you to Usal Beach. Pay for the extra insurance coverage if you take a rental vehicle.

[Ibanez]

Is texting even a thing anymore besides the occasional use?

I read an article a few weeks ago that, daily, over 60% of millennial's text over talk on the phone. They ~100 texts a day. Gen Xers use text close to 50% of the time. Nielson states SMS is the most often used data service. Pew states 81% of Americans text. 97% of adults text every day.

[Ibanez]

Texting has been on the decline for years

I agree with everything else about your post but that. It's simply not true. Even the article you linked said that SMS texting at the time of the article was 17.6 billion per day and was projected to be 21 billion at a later time. That's a 20% increase.

Texting is growing. Just not as much as chat apps are growing.

As GF said, texting is simple and to the point. There's no "I gotta be doing the latest thing because I'm a millennial who (thinks he) knows everything" aspect to it. And a lot of people who didn't even have smartphones just five years ago, like my parents who got their first ones last month, are just discovering and loving the convenience of texting.

You stupid, fucking Gen Xer.

[93henfan]

I agree with everything else about your post but that. It's simply not true. Even the article you linked said that SMS texting at the time of the article was 17.6 billion per day and was projected to be 21 billion at a later time. That's a 20% increase.

Texting is growing. Just not as much as chat apps are growing.

As GF said, texting is simple and to the point. There's no "I gotta be doing the latest thing because I'm a millennial who (thinks he) knows everything" aspect to it. And a lot of people who didn't even have smartphones just five years ago, like my parents who got their first ones last month, are just discovering and loving the convenience of texting.

You stupid, fucking Gen Xer.

[Ibanez]

You stupid, fucking Gen Xer.

My post was in jest. I should've used an emoji.

You know what, i'll text you later.

[93henfan]

My post was in jest. I should've used an emoji.

You know what, i'll text you later.

Don't call me, because I will Pixel call-screen the FUCK out of you. Ask Flaggy.

[CAA Flagship]

My post was in jest. I should've used an emoji.

You know what, i'll text you later.

Don't call me, because I will Pixel call-screen the FUCK out of you. Ask Flaggy.

[93henfan]

Don't call me, because I will Pixel call-screen the FUCK out of you. Ask Flaggy.

PS. Didn't realize that was Larry David.

[CAA Flagship]

PS. Didn't realize that was Larry David.

2 4

[Ibanez]

I agree with everything else about your post but that. It's simply not true. Even the article you linked said that SMS texting at the time of the article was 17.6 billion per day and was projected to be 21 billion at a later time. That's a 20% increase.

Texting is growing. Just not as much as chat apps are growing.

As GF said, texting is simple and to the point. There's no "I gotta be doing the latest thing because I'm a millennial who (thinks he) knows everything" aspect to it. And a lot of people who didn't even have smartphones just five years ago, like my parents who got their first ones last month, are just discovering and loving the convenience of texting.

I mean simple SMS texting is going to be dead, especially when both Android and Apple have announced they're done with the technology...which is essentially every phone platform on the market. The future is simply in chat-type platforms instead of text messaging, and I'm sure they have the numbers to justify the move.

Google already announced that Hangouts/Allo are being discontinued and that Google Messages will move to RCS in order to integrate the features of Hangouts/Allo into one platform on Android. It's just that the infrastructure needs to catch up, but all the carriers are on board at this point.

I guess you could think of these chat apps as a super form of texting, but they're really not. Your parents are going to have to learn how to use them though because SMS messaging will literally be unsupported by all the major developers. The carriers will still have the infrastructure, but they don't program the phones.

I don't think you understand the mobile platforms.

RCS is a client which is only changing the way you message people. It's more about moving away from SMS than the decline and end of text messages. AS I understand it, it's a way to have an ecosystem similar to Apple.

Unless I searched incorrectly, nothing really recent shows up in Google when you search for "decline of SMS" or anything similar.

Text messages are P2P messages. Plain and simple. The new chat apps, which to me is still texting, are just part of the evolution of the ability to quickly message someone. It's the same concept, different UI. There are carrier-based, economic reasons on top of privacy and subpar capability reasons why WhatsUp or SnapChat are used instead of the local, standard application. SMS is being replaced with something being branded as "chat". It's semantics. But it still a messaging service. This RCS is meant to rival iMessage as a texting application. SMS has limited capabilities that iMessage does not. Google going away from SMS to RCS isn't really showing a decline in text messages but an evolution and potential competitive advantage of having something better. But, the roll out of RCS is going to be difficult, slow and very painful. Even if you have it, your recipient has to have RCS, which very few people have.

I'll grant you that messaging apps have expanded capabilities but to think P2P messaging is going away isn't accurate. What you're seeing is the evolution of communication on the Android platform, primarily. Even then, I can video chat, group chat, video group chat and pay someone all from within iMessage. Can you do that on Allo?

Remember, Google had 3 products to do what one Apple product (iMessage) was capable of.
Also, Google Hangouts and Allo were duds, neither lasting more than 2.5-3 yrs.

Seems to me that Google is having trouble competing.

You are seeing an evolution of a capability, not it's decline.

Btw, I am in no way an expert but I have spent the last 1.5 yrs on a variety of projects around mobile security and we've had many..many conversations with Google, Apple and Blackberry on subjects like threat defense, how they transmit, store, retain data and that includes voice, mail and text messages. And these projects aren't completed.

[Ibanez]

Found this article

Let’s face it, text messages are an anachronistic pain in the rear. They don’t support read receipts, group messaging features, or the animated stickers your pals share on apps like Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, and WeChat.

Unless you have an Apple product. Then you've been able to do all of those things with iMessage.

So what features should we expect to see on Chat? Well, it’s going to look a lot like iMessage and other messaging apps.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/wh ... messaging/

[Col Hogan]

Interesting, informative discussion...

Bottom line is California is going to try and tax it...

The question is, if I send a text, or an iMessage, or a chat...what ever its called...to someone in Cali, do I have to pay the tax...

If I’m visiting Cali, and I send a text, or iMessage, or chat...what ever it’s called, do I have to pay the tax...

Inquiring minds want to know...

[GannonFan]

Interesting, informative discussion...

Bottom line is California is going to try and tax it...

The question is, if I send a text, or an iMessage, or a chat...what ever its called...to someone in Cali, do I have to pay the tax...

If I’m visiting Cali, and I send a text, or iMessage, or chat...what ever it’s called, do I have to pay the tax...

Inquiring minds want to know...

Nah, the article was clear it would just be a catchall term the government would use, and I'm sure they would base it on something (average # of texts by the total population in a year) and then it would just be one of many fees that get added at the bottom of your cell phone bill. They would say it's a text tax but just some round number added to the other hosts of numbers there.

[Grizalltheway]

Interesting, informative discussion...

Bottom line is California is going to try and tax it...

The question is, if I send a text, or an iMessage, or a chat...what ever its called...to someone in Cali, do I have to pay the tax...

If I’m visiting Cali, and I send a text, or iMessage, or chat...what ever it’s called, do I have to pay the tax...

Inquiring minds want to know...

Why would you be there if you hate it so much?