The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

[kalm]

On the GDP thing:

The maximum quarterly real GDP growth during the Obama Administration was 5.2%. There were three other quarters during which real GDP growth was 4% or more. When you are saying that GDP growth for a quarter will be near 4% you are not talking about something that didn't happen during the Obama Administration.

Now, if the 2018 annual real GDP growth does reach 2.93 percent that WOULD exceed annual real GDP growth during any year during the Obama Administration as the maximum during that Administration was 2.77 percent.

Again, Obama had the wind at his back for much of his time in office. With QE(s) and low interest rates, an anteater could have guided the economy higher. But the Donks deployed an anchor on that ship known as the ACA and over-regulation (the problem being the refusal to de-regulate when it was safe to do so). Many people suffered from the recession much longer than they should have had to. The fact that the economy is doing as well as it is in an environment of rising interest rates, Fed Reserve balance unwinding, and now, Trade Wars, is remarkable.

Regulation sucks, hot economies are great! Get the fuck out of my way, there's money to be made. Let the unshackled power of pure capitalism and perpetual growth lead us to the promised land!

[houndawg]

Who to believe... I just don't know
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/13/this-is ... lainternal

Peter Schiff was just on Rogan basically predicting the same thing. A massive recession on par with if not greater than the last probably happening before the end of Trump's 1st term or shortly thereafter.

Of course guys like Schiff and Paul will see bubbles continuously until government is completely eliminated.

Did they see that shoulder all the conks were sniveling about? The one that is always a harbinger of the collapse of western civilization?

[CAA Flagship]

Again, Obama had the wind at his back for much of his time in office. With QE(s) and low interest rates, an anteater could have guided the economy higher. But the Donks deployed an anchor on that ship known as the ACA and over-regulation (the problem being the refusal to de-regulate when it was safe to do so). Many people suffered from the recession much longer than they should have had to. The fact that the economy is doing as well as it is in an environment of rising interest rates, Fed Reserve balance unwinding, and now, Trade Wars, is remarkable.

Regulation sucks, hot economies are great! Get the fuck out of my way, there's money to be made. Let the unshackled power of pure capitalism and perpetual growth lead us to the promised land!

Don't be a geodick. I said OVER-regulation. And in this case, the "over" means "too long". What may have been warranted in 2009-2012, it wasn't thereafter. Why do you hate a strong economy?

[kalm]

Regulation sucks, hot economies are great! Get the fuck out of my way, there's money to be made. Let the unshackled power of pure capitalism and perpetual growth lead us to the promised land!

Don't be a geodick. I said OVER-regulation. And in this case, the "over" means "too long". What may have been warranted in 2009-2012, it wasn't thereafter. Why do you hate a strong economy?

Yes, and then you implied the generic "de-regulate". Believe me, as a business owner, I'm well aware of onerous regulations but simply waving the magical 'just de-regulate, Baby' wand isn't without it's problems.

(Hint: the Great Recession had quite a bit to do with de-regulation and much of that suffering wouldn't have occurred without it).

Why do you hate history?

[CAA Flagship]

Don't be a geodick. I said OVER-regulation. And in this case, the "over" means "too long". What may have been warranted in 2009-2012, it wasn't thereafter. Why do you hate a strong economy?

Yes, and then you implied the generic "de-regulate". Believe me, as a business owner, I'm well aware of onerous regulations but simply waving the magical 'just de-regulate, Baby' wand isn't without it's problems.

(Hint: the Great Recession had quite a bit to do with de-regulation and much of that suffering wouldn't have occurred without it).

Why do you hate history?

Pay attention. I'm talking about de-regulation of over-regulation.

[kalm]

Yes, and then you implied the generic "de-regulate". Believe me, as a business owner, I'm well aware of onerous regulations but simply waving the magical 'just de-regulate, Baby' wand isn't without it's problems.

(Hint: the Great Recession had quite a bit to do with de-regulation and much of that suffering wouldn't have occurred without it).

Why do you hate history?

Pay attention. I'm talking about de-regulation of over-regulation.

I’m with ya on that, so give us some examples. Who determines what’s over-regulation? How much has Trump de-regulated? Start with financial and environmental deregulation that reduces the suffering of the working class.

[CAA Flagship]

Pay attention. I'm talking about de-regulation of over-regulation.

I’m with ya on that, so give us some examples. Who determines what’s over-regulation? How much has Trump de-regulated? Start with financial and environmental deregulation that reduces the suffering of the working class.

Yes

[CID1990]

This NR article is masterful in its trolly-trollishness

a work of art, really

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/ ... ald-trump/

[kalm]

This NR article is masterful in its trolly-trollishness

a work of art, really

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/ ... ald-trump/

Interesting read. Peter Schiff was on Rogan last week trying to convince of a similar notion that progressivism and fascism go hand in hand both historically and in the modern context.

While there are some populist similarities I'm not sure I'm willing to buy the Trump as FDR idea just yet. Of course Trump isn't (at least for now) dealing with things like the Great Depression and WWII which tend to explain a more nationalistic sentiment.

[Ivytalk]

And FDR didn’t have Twitter, either. There’s that.

True story: Kevin Williamson and I had an interesting discussion on a pool deck during a National Review Cruise right after the 2016 election. We knocked back a couple of Heinekens and discussed the effects of Trumpism on the conservative movement. He wore his trademark black t-shirt and black jeans. I got the worst sunburn I ever had because I forgot to apply sunscreen during the talk. Fascinating, very bright guy.

[Chizzang]

And FDR didn’t have Twitter, either. There’s that.

True story: Kevin Williamson and I had an interesting discussion on a pool deck during a National Review Cruise right after the 2016 election. We knocked back a couple of Heinekens and discussed the effects of Trumpism on the conservative movement. He wore his trademark black t-shirt and black jeans. I got the worst sunburn I ever had because I forgot to apply sunscreen during the talk. Fascinating, very bright guy.

Williamson's description of Trumps idiotic economic adviser Peter Navarro
is among the funniest political stabs I've read in years

[BDKJMU]

This NR article is masterful in its trolly-trollishness

a work of art, really

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/ ... ald-trump/

So FDR was kind of a nationalist socialist..

[CID1990]

This NR article is masterful in its trolly-trollishness

a work of art, really

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/ ... ald-trump/

Interesting read. Peter Schiff was on Rogan last week trying to convince of a similar notion that progressivism and fascism go hand in hand both historically and in the modern context.

While there are some populist similarities I'm not sure I'm willing to buy the Trump as FDR idea just yet. Of course Trump isn't (at least for now) dealing with things like the Great Depression and WWII which tend to explain a more nationalistic sentiment.

hah hah

Guess who I had down as the first to reply with caveats


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[kalm]

Interesting read. Peter Schiff was on Rogan last week trying to convince of a similar notion that progressivism and fascism go hand in hand both historically and in the modern context.

While there are some populist similarities I'm not sure I'm willing to buy the Trump as FDR idea just yet. Of course Trump isn't (at least for now) dealing with things like the Great Depression and WWII which tend to explain a more nationalistic sentiment.

hah hah

Guess who I had down as the first to reply with caveats


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So you think Trump and FDR, socialism and fascism are one in the same?

[AZGrizFan]

This NR article is masterful in its trolly-trollishness

a work of art, really

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/ ... ald-trump/

Interesting read. Peter Schiff was on Rogan last week trying to convince of a similar notion that progressivism and fascism go hand in hand both historically and in the modern context.

While there are some populist similarities I'm not sure I'm willing to buy the Trump as FDR idea just yet. Of course Trump isn't (at least for now) dealing with things like the Great Depression and WWII which tend to explain a more nationalistic sentiment.

He’s working on both. Just ask JSO.

[Pwns]

Putin's puppet threatening Iran on Twitter.

[Skjellyfetti]

I'm sure Putin was pacing the halls of the Kremlin Palace fuming about Trump's tweet.

[SDHornet]

Washington (CNN)New images published Monday by the prominent monitoring group 38 North indicate North Korea has begun dismantling key facilities at the Sohae Satellite Launching Station -- a move analysts say represents "an important first step towards fulfilling a commitment" made by Kim Jong Un during his summit with President Donald Trump in Singapore.

An analysis of the commercial satellite imagery captured between July 20 and July 22 shows that North Korea has started disassembling parts of its main satellite launch station -- a site that is believed to have played an important role in the development of Pyongyang's intercontinental ballistic missile program.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/politics ... index.html

Does this mean leftists aren't going to get their nuclear war with the Norks...but that was one of the things a Trump presidency was going to bring about.

[CID1990]

hah hah

Guess who I had down as the first to reply with caveats


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So you think Trump and FDR, socialism and fascism are one in the same?

I hadn't given it much thought -

but now that you ask, I do see similarities... both must by design devolve into authoritarianism - both have government in control of industry, which inevitably leads to one or two people in complete control

but I was actually reveling in thinking, "I bet klam will be the first to pounce on this" and boy did you deliver


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[Ivytalk]

hah hah

Guess who I had down as the first to reply with caveats


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So you think Trump and FDR, socialism and fascism are one in the same?

*one and the same

[Pwns]

I'm sure Putin was pacing the halls of the Kremlin Palace fuming about Trump's tweet.

My bad. I'll have to get a good progressive to explain to me when Trump's twitter bellicosity means nothing and when it's serious bidness that can lead to World War III.

[kalm]

So you think Trump and FDR, socialism and fascism are one in the same?

*one and the same

Directional school....

[kalm]

So you think Trump and FDR, socialism and fascism are one in the same?

I hadn't given it much thought -

but now that you ask, I do see similarities... both must by design devolve into authoritarianism - both have government in control of industry, which inevitably leads to one or two people in complete control

but I was actually reveling in thinking, "I bet klam will be the first to pounce on this" and boy did you deliver


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Of course i replied to it. I find it interesting (as I mentioned)

And I also acknowledged similarities too. Without the right checks and balances (co-equal branches, representative democracy, etc) both CAN devolve into authoritarianism. I’m not sure that they must.

And capitalism can do the same without some regulation. Finish a game of monopoly and see how many winners you have.

[CID1990]

I hadn't given it much thought -

but now that you ask, I do see similarities... both must by design devolve into authoritarianism - both have government in control of industry, which inevitably leads to one or two people in complete control

but I was actually reveling in thinking, "I bet klam will be the first to pounce on this" and boy did you deliver


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Of course i replied to it. I find it interesting (as I mentioned)

And I also acknowledged similarities too. Without the right checks and balances (co-equal branches, representative democracy, etc) both CAN devolve into authoritarianism. I’m not sure that they must.

And capitalism can do the same without some regulation. Finish a game of monopoly and see how many winners you have.

That’s a great analogy

Monopoly

Or, “but capitalism”

This is why you can’t have nice things (from me)

[kalm]

Of course i replied to it. I find it interesting (as I mentioned)

And I also acknowledged similarities too. Without the right checks and balances (co-equal branches, representative democracy, etc) both CAN devolve into authoritarianism. I’m not sure that they must.

And capitalism can do the same without some regulation. Finish a game of monopoly and see how many winners you have.

That’s a great analogy

Monopoly

Or, “but capitalism”

This is why you can’t have nice things (from me)

What does pure capitalism devolve to?

(Since we're talking about the devolution of pure socialism)