2020 General Election

[AZGrizFan]

BTW, once again I expect that people will say the polls were way off and, once again, objective assessment will indicate that perception is exaggerated. If you look at the Real Clear Politics election even projections at https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll ... e_map.html you will see that they had 18 jurisdictions in the Biden column and 20 in the Trump column along with 14 in the "Toss Up" column.

All 18 they had in the Biden column were won by Biden. All 20 they had in the Trump column were won by Trump. Among the "Toss Up" states, Biden won 7, Trump won 4, and 3 are currently listed as too close to call (looks like Biden will win 2 and Trump 1).

The popular vote Real Clear Politics average of polling on election even had it at Biden by 7.2 percent and right now the margin is only 2.9. However, 11% of California's votes have not been counted yet and 26% of New York's votes have not been counted yet. So the final actual popular vote margin will get somewhat higher. Probably won't be 7.2 percent. But 7.2 percent probably won't be that far off when all the counting is done.

My impression is there was probably some bias in Biden's direction. Looking at a few things I think it likely Republican turnout was greater than anticipated. But it's not going to be that much. For the most part, if there was high confidence that one candidate or the other was going to win a State that candidate won the State.

There were lots of polls that were way off. OH being just one small example. This was supposed to be a huge blue wave, and outside fo the presidency it turned out to be literally the exact opposite. Pollsters should go to work stocking shelves because they suck at polling.

[JohnStOnge]

BTW, it goes way beyond Pennsylvania. The Will of the People was expressed and it is clearly that The People want Joe Biden to be President. That will is reflected both in the popular vote and, thankfully, the geographically distributed vote made necessary by the absurd Electoral College system. Trump and his people spouted a lot of bullshit about Democrats trying to steal the election. But trying to steal the election is exactly what Trump and his people are trying to do now.

If you are a decent person you are not going to continue to support this guy and you are not going to continue to support the Republican Party that enables him.

I place very little emphasis on popular vote. How many conservative people in CA/OR/WA/NY do you think don’t vote because they know their vote doesn’t matter? And before you spout off, i realize you could use that argument for ANY state, theoretically, but most definitely single party voter apathy is way more likely in states where there is a clear majority opinion.

And honestly (and yes, KYJelly, I realize you don’t like this argument), if you take out just CA, Trump wins the popular vote. And if there’s one thing I’m certain of, it’s that I do NOT want CA determining the political landscape of this country.

It's kind of ridiculous to say "if you take out..." the most populous State and act like that means something. We are talking about a divided country in which the popular vote margin is usually within a few percentage points. You act like taking out a State that is more than 10% of the nation's population gives you something meaningful.

The citizens of California are every bit as much citizens as the people of any other State are. If the majority of the people in the United States vote for one candidate over the other the majority of the people of the United States voted for one candidate over the other. It's not diminished by noting that it wouldn't be that way if ONLY people in the State that contains more than 10 percent of the nation's people were left out of the count.

[AZGrizFan]

I place very little emphasis on popular vote. How many conservative people in CA/OR/WA/NY do you think don’t vote because they know their vote doesn’t matter? And before you spout off, i realize you could use that argument for ANY state, theoretically, but most definitely single party voter apathy is way more likely in states where there is a clear majority opinion.

And honestly (and yes, KYJelly, I realize you don’t like this argument), if you take out just CA, Trump wins the popular vote. And if there’s one thing I’m certain of, it’s that I do NOT want CA determining the political landscape of this country.

It's kind of ridiculous to say "if you take out..." the most populous State and act like that means something. We are talking about a divided country in which the popular vote margin is usually within a few percentage points. You act like taking out a State that is more than 10% of the nation's population gives you something meaningful.

The citizens of California are every bit as much citizens as the people of any other State are. If the majority of the people in the United States vote for one candidate over the other the majority of the people of the United States voted for one candidate over the other. It's not diminished by noting that it wouldn't be that way if ONLY people in the State that contains more than 10 percent of the nation's people were left out of the count.

Nice non-answer.

[Gil Dobie]

BTW, it goes way beyond Pennsylvania. The Will of the People was expressed and it is clearly that The People want Joe Biden to be President. That will is reflected both in the popular vote and, thankfully, the geographically distributed vote made necessary by the absurd Electoral College system. Trump and his people spouted a lot of bullshit about Democrats trying to steal the election. But trying to steal the election is exactly what Trump and his people are trying to do now.

If you are a decent person you are not going to continue to support this guy and you are not going to continue to support the Republican Party that enables him.

Trump lost, get over it.

[Ibanez]

The beauty of America - we can disagree and the Brown Shirts aren't going to be knocking on our doors.

Yet.

Well, AOC may want to...but I have a feeling the Proud Boys are standing by.


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[SDHornet]

One guy was announced the winner, then it changed to the other candidate based on the "software glitch".

Announced in the typical election night news media projections, or the certified results?
The wrong person will be serving in the office?

None of the results are certified yet, so no. And no, the "software glitch" was found and fixed after the ballots were hand counted. How many other results are impacted by "software glitches"? It's something worth looking into imo. Shouldn't be hard to determine one way or the other after some spot checking/audits via hand counting.

[SDHornet]

So JSO, no fancy graph or excel spreadsheet to refute the Bedford or any other statistical anomalies associated to the voting data? Just going to stick with the "Orange Man Bad" TDS take?

[UNI88]

Yep. Trump's a Nazi. AOC's a Nazi. We're all Nazis now.

You have more faith in AOC's long-term intentions than I do.

How about we agree that we don't want either Trump or AOC leading the country...

I'm good with that. I also don't want any of AOC's pseudo-progressive support group (Bernie, the Squat, etc.) leading this country. Kamala's twitter video makes me worry about her as well

[Ibanez]

I don't know how you people who support Trump do so in good conscience. There are plenty of examples over many years of why one would wonder how any decent person can support the guy. But here is another one:

https://www.wtae.com/article/lawsuits-t ... n/34620870

That's not about voter fraud. That is about trying to nix the votes of hundreds of thousands are even millions of people who cast their ballots in good faith.

Then there is this:



So, again, they are trying to eliminate votes by people making an honest effort to express their intent. These people are awful. The majority of the people who voted in Pennsylvania clearly wants Biden. And these people are tying to nix that through getting votes nixed for technicalities. Thwart the Will of the People.

It's absolutely disgusting. And you people who support the Republican Party right now need to do something about your moral compasses.

I hope that isn't another false affidavit. But it should be investigated. We should know if and who tried to undermine the integrity of our elections.

Ben Ginsburg was on Fox yesterday afternoon saying, based on what we typically see in election fraud instances, you can uncover all the fraudulent ballots and it still won't change the outcome. Fraudulent ballots typically aren't in the 10s of 1000s. A few hundred could flip or be thrown out in a recount. But not 1000s.

[Skjellyfetti]

Shouldn't be hard to determine one way or the other after some spot checking/audits via hand counting.

That happens after every election. It's called a canvass.

[houndawg]

I believe it was from the CS people at Stanford - the anomaly was in the difference between how machines with a paper trail agreed with exit polls vs. machines without a paper trail. Those with a paper trail agreed perfectly with exit polling while those withou differed significantly, and it occured in both the D primary and in the general election. Thats why I said that the biggest irony of the '16 election was how HRC got fucked in the general in exactly the same fashion as Bernie got fucked in the primary. (The school might have been Carneige-Mellon, should be easy to find.)

I don't remember hearing any of that. So what's a machine without a paper trail? Computer entry? I've never seen one so not sure. But now that I think about it, I do remember talk about times where the vote automatically switched on the computer. But I don't remember it going from HRC to Trump. I thought it was going from Bernie to HRC.

Don't know other than apparently some of the machines give you a "receipt". Paper ballots are used at my voting location so I have no experience with the voting machines. One of the geeks said that a very close race is easy because you just flip the final result

[houndawg]

Is this still a thing?

It is until the lawsuits are thrown out/ruled on and the EC electors casts their votes.

Goes this mean the correponding House and Senate races are also suspect?

[houndawg]

Announced in the typical election night news media projections, or the certified results?
The wrong person will be serving in the office?

None of the results are certified yet, so no. And no, the "software glitch" was found and fixed after the ballots were hand counted. How many other results are impacted by "software glitches"? It's something worth looking into imo. Shouldn't be hard to determine one way or the other after some spot checking/audits via hand counting.

Your newfound concern with election security is an inspiration to us all!

[kalm]

So we’re all Nazis now on! Yay!

I know that’s what people are driving at. Banning list keeping would be more along the Nazi angle.

Yep. Trump's a Nazi. AOC's a Nazi. We're all Nazis now.

You have more faith in AOC's long-term intentions than I do.

Yeah...I’m just not all that scared. We need a shift to the left. I view her more as another body helping to push the car out of the right side ditch than a true agent of change to Venezuela.

[89Hen]

We need a shift to the left.

Haven't we been over this?

[Ibanez]

We need a shift to the left.

Haven't we been over this?

One of the upsides from the election is the turmoil within the Democratic Party around their socialists members. AOC threatening to leave. People not sure what's going on with them.

How great would it be if either AOC left OR the Squad left the Democrats and joined the Socialist Party. I think you could run against them easier with that moniker.

[kalm]

We need a shift to the left.

Haven't we been over this?

Maybe...just few times.

The last year hasn’t helped your side much.

[kalm]

Haven't we been over this?

One of the upsides from the election is the turmoil within the Democratic Party around their socialists members. AOC threatening to leave. People not sure what's going on with them.

How great would it be if either AOC left OR the Squad left the Democrats and joined the Socialist Party. I think you could run against them easier with that moniker.

Not that great. One Republican Party is enough.

[89Hen]

Haven't we been over this?

Maybe...just few times.

The last year hasn’t helped your side much.

Helped "my side" what? I assumed you were talking about a policy shift to the left is needed.

[Winterborn]

Haven't we been over this?

One of the upsides from the election is the turmoil within the Democratic Party around their socialists members. AOC threatening to leave. People not sure what's going on with them.

How great would it be if either AOC left OR the Squad left the Democrats and joined the Socialist Party. I think you could run against them easier with that moniker.

Going to be a fun couple of years coming up. And I mean that in the most chaotic way possible.

Both the Republicans and Democrats have some introspecting to do. I think the R's survive relatively intact, the D's I only give a 50/50 shot. All depends on the narrative coming from the upper management.

[SeattleGriz]

One of the upsides from the election is the turmoil within the Democratic Party around their socialists members. AOC threatening to leave. People not sure what's going on with them.

How great would it be if either AOC left OR the Squad left the Democrats and joined the Socialist Party. I think you could run against them easier with that moniker.

Going to be a fun couple of years coming up. And I mean that in the most chaotic way possible.

Both the Republicans and Democrats have some introspecting to do. I think the R's survive relatively intact, the D's I only give a 50/50 shot. All depends on the narrative coming from the upper management.

Hey! Saw you were "killing" it in the 2020 death pool.

Congrats.

[Winterborn]

Going to be a fun couple of years coming up. And I mean that in the most chaotic way possible.

Both the Republicans and Democrats have some introspecting to do. I think the R's survive relatively intact, the D's I only give a 50/50 shot. All depends on the narrative coming from the upper management.

Hey! Saw you were "killing" it in the 2020 death pool.

Congrats.

Just luck.

[Baldy]

Going to be a fun couple of years coming up. And I mean that in the most chaotic way possible.

Both the Republicans and Democrats have some introspecting to do. I think the R's survive relatively intact, the D's I only give a 50/50 shot. All depends on the narrative coming from the upper management.

Hey! Saw you were "killing" it in the 2020 death pool.

Congrats.

He's also slaying the memes and posters thread too.

[Baldy]

One of the greatest Twatter threads of all time.

[SeattleGriz]

One of the greatest Twatter threads of all time.

Documented homophobe to boot.