The Ukraine Crisis

[SeattleGriz]

How many years did you serve in the military? Which branch?

What part of my post was incorrect? Why the sudden change in argument? A nerve touched?

No nerve is touched. Just trying to see if you have been out under these same questions. It's one who've been under the pressure ask

You serve?

[GannonFan]

What part of my post was incorrect? Why the sudden change in argument? A nerve touched?

No nerve is touched. Just trying to see if you have been out under these same questions. It's one who've been under the pressure ask

You serve?

Again, what does that matter? If I served, or if I did not serve, I'm not Russian and I didn't serve in any Russian or Ukrainian armed forces. Does that have any material impact on what I said?

[kalm]

No nerve is touched. Just trying to see if you have been out under these same questions. It's one who've been under the pressure ask

You serve?

Again, what does that matter? If I served, or if I did not serve, I'm not Russian and I didn't serve in any Russian or Ukrainian armed forces. Does that have any material impact on what I said?

It doesn’t. Russia invaded. They won’t leave unless forced. The sooner that happens the more lives will be saved.

[Skjellyfetti]

[BDKJMU]

Yeah Houndie, things are going swimmingly for Ukraine right now...

30,000 dead Russians.

You expect people defending their homes to quit?

That’s good, but they’re up to about 0.3% of what they lost vs the Krauts in WWII (approx 10 million military). 30k Russians lost to the Russians is nothing.

[SeattleGriz]

No nerve is touched. Just trying to see if you have been out under these same questions. It's one who've been under the pressure ask

You serve?

Again, what does that matter? If I served, or if I did not serve, I'm not Russian and I didn't serve in any Russian or Ukrainian armed forces. Does that have any material impact on what I said?

Because you pretty much said 5g was the determinant factor in this war. If you hadn't picked sides, you were an uninformed rube.

When in the military, you don't get this choice.

You and Klam are gleeful for young Russian deaths and it's ghoulish. You fuckers need to get your head on straight.

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah Houndie, things are going swimmingly for Ukraine right now...

30,000 dead Russians.

You expect people defending their homes to quit?

JSO is convinced 100,000,000 Americans armed with 500,000,000 guns and billions of rounds of ammo would quit against the US Army that couldn’t defeat the fucking Taliban using 80’s era soviet rifles.

[kalm]

Again, what does that matter? If I served, or if I did not serve, I'm not Russian and I didn't serve in any Russian or Ukrainian armed forces. Does that have any material impact on what I said?

Because you pretty much said 5g was the determinant factor in this war. If you hadn't picked sides, you were an uninformed rube.

When in the military, you don't get this choice.

You and Klam are gleeful for young Russian deaths and it's ghoulish. You fuckers need to get your head on straight.

That nerve became a root canal.

[SDHornet]

[SDHornet]

[kalm]

Solid thread. Off ramping for Putin is meaningless.

[houndawg]

We're like the Spartans of old. No need to send in an army, just allow them access to our military expertise and they can blunt the advance of a much larger opponent. Not sure how this doesn't end in a stalemate, but certainly better than if we didn't help at all.

Are you okay that we provide information that will be used to kill Russians? Russians that had no choice or idea what they were getting into. Are you okay with us pushing this war via proxy?

Putin's been an irritant to us for a number of years now and is long overdue for smackdown he is receiving. He can stop this thing whenever he wants to, until then why shouldn't we bleed him every chance we get? China, if you're listening...

[kalm]

Are you okay that we provide information that will be used to kill Russians? Russians that had no choice or idea what they were getting into. Are you okay with us pushing this war via proxy?

Putin's been an irritant to us for a number of years now and is long overdue for smackdown he is receiving. He can stop this thing whenever he wants to, until then why shouldn't we bleed him every chance we get? China, if you're listening...

Lost his 14th general this week and the UKR circled back to retake Severadonetsk.

Smart guys are saying he will not “off ramp” until he starts seriously losing ground.

He remains a master strategist.

[SDHornet]

Putin's been an irritant to us for a number of years now and is long overdue for smackdown he is receiving. He can stop this thing whenever he wants to, until then why shouldn't we bleed him every chance we get? China, if you're listening...

Lost his 14th general this week and the UKR circled back to retake Severadonetsk.

Smart guys are saying he will not “off ramp” until he starts seriously losing ground.

He remains a master strategist.

From what I've read that was all just talking points. Ukraine didn't retake much of anything, and if they did, they didn't hold it for long. Also sounds like Russia is inching more and more into the Donbas and Kharkiv.

Then there is this:

White House communications director Kate Bedingfield said Tuesday that Ukraine will decide for itself whether to give up territory to end Russia’s invasion — declining to embrace a British stance that all Russian troops must leave.

Bedingfield was asked at the daily White House briefing about a statement earlier in the day from the office of UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

A CNN reporter noted that Johnson’s office “said today that they won’t accept anything less than a full withdrawal of all Russian forces from Ukrainian territory” and asked, “Does President Biden share that view that reduced military activity is not enough?”

“We are going to allow the Ukrainians to to execute on these negotiations. It’s not our role to begin the negotiation,” Bedingfield said.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/29/wh-open-t ... ithdrawal/

[houndawg]

30,000 dead Russians.

You expect people defending their homes to quit?

That’s good, but they’re up to about 0.3% of what they lost vs the Krauts in WWII (approx 10 million military). 30k Russians lost to the Russians is nothing.

...and they lost those people for the same reason they're losing them now - piss poor leadership, third-rate equipment.... about the only thing they have for their supporters like your traitor-ass self to cling to is they're white

[houndawg]

Lost his 14th general this week and the UKR circled back to retake Severadonetsk.

Smart guys are saying he will not “off ramp” until he starts seriously losing ground.

He remains a master strategist.

From what I've read that was all just talking points. Ukraine didn't retake much of anything, and if they did, they didn't hold it for long. Also sounds like Russia is inching more and more into the Donbas and Kharkiv.

Then there is this:

White House communications director Kate Bedingfield said Tuesday that Ukraine will decide for itself whether to give up territory to end Russia’s invasion — declining to embrace a British stance that all Russian troops must leave.

Bedingfield was asked at the daily White House briefing about a statement earlier in the day from the office of UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

A CNN reporter noted that Johnson’s office “said today that they won’t accept anything less than a full withdrawal of all Russian forces from Ukrainian territory” and asked, “Does President Biden share that view that reduced military activity is not enough?”

“We are going to allow the Ukrainians to to execute on these negotiations. It’s not our role to begin the negotiation,” Bedingfield said.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/29/wh-open-t ... ithdrawal/

Russia getting their ass kicked by the kid they tried to bully really seems bother you rather deeply. Putin has been a major irritant with his return-to-the-Soviet Union's-glory-days foreign policy but now he's fucked up badly and he's going to pay for the rest of his life - and having someone else kill our enemies for us...you just aren't giving Joe Biden enough credit for his brilliant statecraft.

[kalm]

Lost his 14th general this week and the UKR circled back to retake Severadonetsk.

Smart guys are saying he will not “off ramp” until he starts seriously losing ground.

He remains a master strategist.

From what I've read that was all just talking points. Ukraine didn't retake much of anything, and if they did, they didn't hold it for long. Also sounds like Russia is inching more and more into the Donbas and Kharkiv.

Then there is this:

White House communications director Kate Bedingfield said Tuesday that Ukraine will decide for itself whether to give up territory to end Russia’s invasion — declining to embrace a British stance that all Russian troops must leave.

Bedingfield was asked at the daily White House briefing about a statement earlier in the day from the office of UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

A CNN reporter noted that Johnson’s office “said today that they won’t accept anything less than a full withdrawal of all Russian forces from Ukrainian territory” and asked, “Does President Biden share that view that reduced military activity is not enough?”

“We are going to allow the Ukrainians to to execute on these negotiations. It’s not our role to begin the negotiation,” Bedingfield said.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/29/wh-open-t ... ithdrawal/

Offensives and counter offensives. Cities gained and lost. The attrition of a 3 day conflict.

It should be UKR’s decision. But Johnson is right if long term European stability, Ukrainian autonomy, and democracy are the goals.

[GannonFan]

I don't see anyway this war ends up anything other than a stalemate, and Russians holding on to the areas that they had before the war started and maybe a little bit more. Both countries are worse off than before - Ukraine will be further partitioned, just like they were when they lost Crimea back in 2014, and Russia, while having survived the sanctions, is more exposed as an inept military force and will have to spend a great deal of time and money and people to hold on to their gains from this war. I don't necessarily see this as a great outcome - Russia is going to hold on to another sliver of Ukraine's territory and Ukraine will be a weaker nation than they were before this started. And you wonder what this means for Ukraine in the next couple of years when Russia launches another attack for their next piece of Ukraine.

[SeattleGriz]

Not sure I buy Russia placing the mines, nor sinking the ships. Has an invading force ever placed mines preventing their entry?

I'm sure Bellingcat can clear this up for us.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... gency-says

Russia’s Sea Mines Tee Up Months of Work to Clear Ukraine Ports

[BDKJMU]

That’s good, but they’re up to about 0.3% of what they lost vs the Krauts in WWII (approx 10 million military). 30k Russians lost to the Russians is nothing.

...and they lost those people for the same reason they're losing them now - piss poor leadership, third-rate equipment.... about the only thing they have for their supporters like your traitor-ass self to cling to is they're white

Except they’re not losing sqaut now. 30k, 50k, even 100k troops is nothing to them. WW II they had around 25 million military casulties, 10 million military dead. Wake me up if they lose even 5% of what they lost to the Krauts

Densedawg school of logic: if you arent a Ukraine flag weaving cheerleader, you’re a traitor.

[SDHornet]

...and they lost those people for the same reason they're losing them now - piss poor leadership, third-rate equipment.... about the only thing they have for their supporters like your traitor-ass self to cling to is they're white

Except they’re not losing sqaut now. 30k, 50k, even 100k troops is nothing to them. WW II they had around 25 million military casulties, 10 million military dead. Wake me up if they lose even 5% of what they lost to the Krauts

Densedawg school of logic: if you arent a Ukraine flag weaving cheerleader, you’re a traitor.

The "UkRaInE iS wInNiNg" brigade that bought into that psyop are in full meltdown mode. I think the realization that twitter memes don't win wars is finally setting in. We are in the cope and seethe phase of this for the flag waivers.



Oh and jelly, might want to check up on that pincer move on the Donbas.

[SDHornet]

'Member when people got mad at me (looking at you Cid, wish you were here) for doubting the intel agencies? Yeah, I 'member.

WASHINGTON — President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine has provided near-daily updates of Russia’s invasion on social media; viral video posts have shown the effectiveness of Western weapons in the hands of Ukrainian forces; and the Pentagon has regularly held briefings on developments in the war.

But despite the flow of all this news to the public, American intelligence agencies have less information than they would like about Ukraine’s operations and possess a far better picture of Russia’s military, its planned operations and its successes and failures, according to current and former officials.

Governments often withhold information from the public for operational security. But these information gaps within the U.S. government could make it more difficult for the Biden administration to decide how to target military aid as it sends billions of dollars in weapons to Ukraine.

U.S. officials said the Ukrainian government gave them few classified briefings or details about their operational plans, and Ukrainian officials acknowledged that they did not tell the Americans everything.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/08/us/p ... gence.html

[Skjellyfetti]

Lol. Cid left because you and Seattle could not accept that Russia committed atrocities in Bucha.

Does US intelligence have "have less information than they would like"? Sure.

But, this isn't the slam dunk about US intelligence failure in Ukraine you think it is.

[SDHornet]

Lol. Cid left because you and Seattle could not accept that Russia committed atrocities in Bucha.

Does US intelligence have "have less information than they would like"? Sure.

But, this isn't the slam dunk about US intelligence failure in Ukraine you think it is.

I still at him storming off about that. Off all the absurdities posted in your Russia Collusion thread, that is the thing that sets him off.

[SDHornet]