BREAKING: Rep Gabrielle Giffords; Several Others Shot

[CID1990]

All BS aside, the more I see about this guy, the more I am thinking schizophrenia.

I have seen a LOT of them over the years, and we had a lot of training in dealing with them since law enforcement is usualy the first to encounter them when they go off their meds or 'come out' as it were. This guy has been displaying some of the classic signs. I take this mainly from the statements from his college classmates and staffers who were talking about his behavior which led up to the school making a mental evaluation a requisite for him to return to classes.

I've seen these people kill before, and I've seen a couple cops have to kill them, too. It is sad, but if this guy is truly schizophrenic, then there is no amount of talk, political persuasion, talk radio, or coercion that would have caused him to do (or prevented him from doing) the things that the voices in his head were telling him to do.

[Skjellyfetti]

All BS aside, the more I see about this guy, the more I am thinking schizophrenia.

I have seen a LOT of them over the years, and we had a lot of training in dealing with them since law enforcement is usualy the first to encounter them when they go off their meds or 'come out' as it were. This guy has been displaying some of the classic signs. I take this mainly from the statements from his college classmates and staffers who were talking about his behavior which led up to the school making a mental evaluation a requisite for him to return to classes.

I've seen these people kill before, and I've seen a couple cops have to kill them, too. It is sad, but if this guy is truly schizophrenic, then there is no amount of talk, political persuasion, talk radio, or coercion that would have caused him to do (or prevented him from doing) the things that the voices in his head were telling him to do.

I agree about the schizophrenia. That seems very likely.

But, I disagree that if he was schizophrenic there was nothing that could have prevented him from doing it. There are millions of schizophrenics in the US. They're not all cold blooded killers. But, they all NEED a great amount of counseling and medication to function properly in society. It certainly would raise some civil liberty issues... but, there needs to be better communication between schools and law enforcement. Virginia Tech and Pima Community College both saw dangerous warning signs in the shooters. Pima Community College expelled Loughner and wouldn't allow him to return to school without counseling. I think that kind of thing has to be reported to the authorities.... and those type of people who refuse counseling or any sort of help have to be barred from purchasing guns.

[Baldy]

This was a politically motivated assassination attempt of a U.S. Congresswoman. Deal with it CONKS!

By a left-wing lunatic. Deal with it jeffy.





Note to the sane people on this forum. I have already stated at least twice that this wasn't a political assassination, but watching jeff become unhinged is funny.

[BDKJMU]

I have a simple question. Fort Hood Massacre last year, a muslim extremist murdered 13 people and wounded 30, a far larger toll that what happened in AZ, yet Obama did call for a national moment of silence. Yesterday he did in regards to the AZ shooting.

So how come 13 people killed in a terrorist attack on one of our military bases didn't warrant a nationwide moment of silence, but 6 people killed outside of a grocery store does? What kind of f'ed up logic is that?

[Baldy]

I have a simple question. Fort Hood Massacre last year, a muslim extremist murdered 13 people and wounded 30, a far larger toll that what happened in AZ, yet Obama did call for a national moment of silence. Yesterday he did in regards to the AZ shooting.

So how come 13 people killed in a terrorist attack on one of our military bases didn't warrant a nationwide moment of silence, but 6 people killed outside of a grocery store does? What kind of f'ed up logic is that?

Logic?

Very good question...

Remember, Donk officials and the media were the first to throw instantaneous blame towards the right on Saturday, but were the first who "urged caution" and begged for us not to "jump to conclusions" after the Muslim terrorist shot those 30 people at Fort Hood.

Never forget, those people are the media wing of the Democrat party and it is their job to shape the narrative after incidents like this.

[houndawg]

It all make sense if you don't forget that Obama is a muslim.

[kalm]

It all make sense if you don't forget that Obama is a muslim.

And that he has a vicious history of left wing hate speech. He's mean.

[Wedgebuster]

Teabaggers and Palin coming,
Retaking the country they ran down,
Reloading and targeting Demos,
20 down in Tuscon town!

Gotta get down to it Limbaugh and Beck are cutting us down,
Should have been done long ago..
What if your daughter was there dead on the ground,
How can you run when you know..

[89Hen]

[Baldy]

It all make sense if you don't forget that Obama is a muslim.

It would make more sense if Obama kept his mouth shut after the Ft. Hood terrorist attack. Since he's kept relatively quiet this time, maybe he's learned a lesson.

[Baldy]

It all make sense if you don't forget that Obama is a muslim.

And that he has a vicious history of left wing hate speech. He's mean.

Hopefully Obama won't be making any more "we bring a gun" to the fight analogies anytime soon.

[kalm]

And that he has a vicious history of left wing hate speech. He's mean.

Hopefully Obama won't be making any more "we bring a gun" to the fight analogies anytime soon.

I know, he is so mean for that. He owes Mr. Connerry an apology.

[native]

All BS aside, the more I see about this guy, the more I am thinking schizophrenia.

I have seen a LOT of them over the years, and we had a lot of training in dealing with them since law enforcement is usualy the first to encounter them when they go off their meds or 'come out' as it were. This guy has been displaying some of the classic signs. I take this mainly from the statements from his college classmates and staffers who were talking about his behavior which led up to the school making a mental evaluation a requisite for him to return to classes.

I've seen these people kill before, and I've seen a couple cops have to kill them, too. It is sad, but if this guy is truly schizophrenic, then there is no amount of talk, political persuasion, talk radio, or coercion that would have caused him to do (or prevented him from doing) the things that the voices in his head were telling him to do.

I agree about the schizophrenia. That seems very likely.

But, I disagree that if he was schizophrenic there was nothing that could have prevented him from doing it. There are millions of schizophrenics in the US. They're not all cold blooded killers. But, they all NEED a great amount of counseling and medication to function properly in society. It certainly would raise some civil liberty issues... but, there needs to be better communication between schools and law enforcement. Virginia Tech and Pima Community College both saw dangerous warning signs in the shooters. Pima Community College expelled Loughner and wouldn't allow him to return to school without counseling. I think that kind of thing has to be reported to the authorities.... and those type of people who refuse counseling or any sort of help have to be barred from purchasing guns.

We have a recognized problem and have some unpleasant solutions to choose from. The devil is in the details.

[blueballs]

Any media member or politician who attempts to use this tragedy to score political points or advance a political agenda during this time of national mourning is lower than whale shit and deserves the scorn of all reasonable people regardless of party affiliation or ideology. Period.

[Baldy]

Hopefully Obama won't be making any more "we bring a gun" to the fight analogies anytime soon.

I know, he is so mean for that. He owes Mr. Connerry an apology.

Here's an idea...in order to bring the country together Obama and Palin can issue a joint apology.

[kalm]

I know, he is so mean for that. He owes Mr. Connerry an apology.

Here's an idea...in order to bring the country together Obama and Palin can issue a joint apology.

I like it.

Or perhaps they could have a knife fight.

[YoUDeeMan]

I blame RobsPics. His purposely selected a violent picture for his avatar knowing that it would eventually be a tipping point for someone to go apeshit with a gun.

I also blame N.W.A. - those Democrats who supported Obama - and whose violent lyrics still reverberate through the impressionable, young white community.

I further blame all left-leaning media outlets and school teachers who constantly tell people they are not strong enough to make it on their own and that they need someone, including the government, to hold their hands. Repeated enough, that message turns individuals into mindless zombies who blame others for their situation.

I'll find others to blame...they're out there, for sure.

Just don't go giving me a reason to blame you or you'll have no one to blame but yourself.

[houndawg]

It all make sense if you don't forget that Obama is a muslim.

And that he has a vicious history of left wing hate speech. He's mean.

He's a baaad man!

[kalm]

I blame RobsPics. His purposely selected a violent picture for his avatar knowing that it would eventually be a tipping point for someone to go apeshit with a gun.

I also blame N.W.A. - those Democrats who supported Obama - and whose violent lyrics still reverberate through the impressionable, young white community.

I further blame all left-leaning media outlets and school teachers who constantly tell people they are not strong enough to make it on their own and that they need someone, including the government, to hold their hands. Repeated enough, that message turns individuals into mindless zombies who blame others for their situation.

I'll find others to blame...they're out there, for sure.

Just don't go giving me a reason to blame you or you'll have no one to blame but yourself.

You left out Looney Tunes.

[YoUDeeMan]

I blame RobsPics. His purposely selected a violent picture for his avatar knowing that it would eventually be a tipping point for someone to go apeshit with a gun.

I also blame N.W.A. - those Democrats who supported Obama - and whose violent lyrics still reverberate through the impressionable, young white community.

I further blame all left-leaning media outlets and school teachers who constantly tell people they are not strong enough to make it on their own and that they need someone, including the government, to hold their hands. Repeated enough, that message turns individuals into mindless zombies who blame others for their situation.

I'll find others to blame...they're out there, for sure.

Just don't go giving me a reason to blame you or you'll have no one to blame but yourself.

You left out Looney Tunes.

Looney Tunes is just an extension of the left wing media types. Movie/media folks are famous for their glamorization of violence. Yosemite Sam, John Wayne, Buck Rogers, The Pink Panther, The Flintstones (what kind of parent would name their son Bamm-Bamm )…and don't forget the damage to society from the portrayal of the violence on the Three Stooges.

Forget Palin…the New York Times needs to go after Hollywood.

[BDKJMU]

1. where in anything that i said did you get that i want to restrict speech?? what i said was very clear - free speech comes with great responsibility, and i think that has gotten lost... i'm not saying we should restrict what people say at all - i'm saying, especially those with influence - should bear in mind that there hyperbole can be misinterpreted - and reconsider how they choose to make their point.

2. i have said, over and over again in the last two days that wringing some kind of political capital out of this is wrong - and i mean it. and i think if you look back over my posts on this matter, it should be much clearer...

nowhere in my posts have i said the blame lies with the Republicans or the Tea Party or their respective pundit class - in fact, i said the very opposite - i said that the ramped up political rhetoric of the last two years may have helped create an environment where someone who couldn't understand the difference between hyperbole and instructions might be incited. I didn't cast about blame wildly - I didn't go for a cheap political point - I pointed out, factually - that the degrading political climate of the last two years was something that those of us in the industry had noticed, and that what happened on Saturday seemed sadly inevitable to those of us who deal with this every day.

I'm not saying these things because I think it'll hurt the Republicans, or damage the Tea Party - I don't care about either of them frankly. I am saying what I am because it is what I've observed. What I am shocked by in the last 48 hours, as much as anything - has been the sad and reflexive backlash by many conservatives - who seem more worried about avoiding any appearance of blame for this than they are about what happened and why. Rather than take the opportunity to have an honest conversation about the vitriol and bellicose nature of our politics, especially over the last decade - it seems that the reaction has been to cast about for blame and cry foul that someone might suggest that the politics of fear and anger and hate might have had something to do with this tragedy.

More than anything though - I am just generally disappointed that 6 people lay dead - that friends and colleagues of mine had to witness this (and are lucky to be alive and unhurt) - and that, yet again, a moment that could have served to unite us - has become another cheap political football.

Bulls***. "Ramped up political rhetoric of the last two years?" The rhetoric was ramped up long before your boy Obama came into office. Try the prior 8 years with all of the libs & donks who had frothing at the mouth BDS, calling Bush every name in the book, comparing him to Hitler, calling for his impreachment, and in some cases, assassination (there's plenty of documented signs at left wing rallies of this). Heck there was even a movie made by some left wing filmmaker about the assassination of Bush.

Ramped up rhetoric of the last 2 years my a**.

[Skjellyfetti]

There is nothing to be proud of in the way people on the far left acted during Bush's term.

But, I don't see how you can argue that it hasn't been ramped up since Obama's been elected. Death threats against the President were up 400% in the first 6 months he was in office. Not to mention all these whackjobs:

Officials said they were evaluating an antigovernment manifesto posted on the Internet earlier Thursday, signed "Joe Stack," which suggested he planned the crash. "Violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer," the author wrote toward the end of a tirade against the IRS posted at 9:12 a.m. on a Web site registered to Mr. Stack.

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The man who allegedly shot at least one person Wednesday at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington is believed have connections with white supremacist organizations and anti-government groups, according to reports.

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Early reports on Roeder, who was taken into custody shortly after the shooting and is expected to be charged Tuesday, show a history of antiabortion, antigovernment philosophy and protest.

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The man accused of driving into the entrance of the Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Paul on Thursday told police that Jesus instructed him to do it, according to charges filed Friday.

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A city cab driver is in the hospital after being stabbed by a passenger who allegedly asked if he was Muslim, police tell NY1.
Investigators with the New York City Police Department say it all began Monday night when a 21-year-old man hailed a cab at 24th Street and Second Avenue in Manhattan.

Police say the passenger asked the driver, "Are you Muslim?" When the driver said yes the passenger pulled a knife and slashed him in the throat, arm and lip.

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Raymond Franklin Peake III told investigators that "he would kill to defend his country and he was stealing weapons to defend his country," court documents read.
The Hampden Township man is in Cumberland County Prison without bail after being charged with homicide Saturday. Police said one of the weapons Peake, 64, stole resulted in the July 21 shooting death of lawyer Todd Getgen, 42, of Enola.

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A 45-year-old parolee, described by his mother as angry at left-wing politicians, opened fire on California Highway Patrol officers on an Oakland freeway early Sunday and was hit by return fire while wearing body armor, authorities said.

She said her son, who had been a carpenter and a cabinetmaker before his imprisonment, was angry about his unemployment and about "what's happening to our country."

Williams watched the news on television and was upset by "the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items," his mother said.

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Investigators say the Kanes shot and killed West Memphis Police Officers Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans during a traffic stop along I-40 on Thursday, May 20, 2010. Crittenden County Sheriff Richard Busby and his Chief Deputy W.A. Wren were also injured in a shootout that followed in the West Memphis Walmart parking lot, ending with both suspects shot to death.

Kane and his son, by all accounts, didn't trust the U.S. Government. They didn't respect it, didn't think the laws that apply to the citizens in this country applied to them.

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Law enforcement authorities are investigating the discovery of a cut propane gas line at the Virginia home of Rep. Thomas Perriello’s (D-Va.) brother, whose address was targeted by tea party activists angry at the congressman’s vote for the health care bill.

An aide to the congressman confirmed to POLITICO that a line to a propane tank behind his brother's home near Charlottesville had been sliced.

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Authorities say Stone was one of two sons of David Brian Stone, 45, the alleged ringleader of the Christian militia group called Hutaree.

The anti-government militia allegedly plotted to kill law enforcement officers with improvised explosive devices and projectiles before being foiled by FBI raids that started Sunday in three states that netted nine members of an extremist group, federal authorities said today.

Four members of David Stone's family including his wife, Tina Stone, 44, and his two adult sons allegedly conspired with five other members of the fringe Christian militia group to kill a Michigan law enforcement officer and then ambush the officer's colleagues who would have gathered for the funeral, according to court documents.

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[BDKJMU]

Any media member or politician who attempts to use this tragedy to score political points or advance a political agenda during this time of national mourning is lower than whale **** and deserves the scorn of all reasonable people regardless of party affiliation or ideology. Period.

Exactly. The libs, donks, including the Democrat Sheriff Dipstick of Pima County, and their allies in the media began shamelessly politicizing this before we even knew the killers name, blaming Palin, Limbaugh, Beck, talk radio, the Tea Party, etc.

This shooting had NOTHING to do with Palin, anyone in talk radio, the Tea Party, rhetoric coming ot of DC, etc, and none of those entities should have ever been mentioned in the media in regards to this shooting, and they wouldn't have been if it wasn't for this shameless attempt at political exploitation by liberal donks.

The ONLY thing people should have been talking about since last Fri are the known FACTS about the shooter and the victims.

[Wedgebuster]

[Baldy]

There is nothing to be proud of in the way people on the far left acted during Bush's term.

But, I don't see how you can argue that it hasn't been ramped up since Obama's been elected. Death threats against the President were up 400% in the first 6 months he was in office. Not to mention all these whackjobs

What are you trying to insinuate about "all these whackjobs"?