Ebola in the USA: Are You Concerned?

[YoUDeeMan]

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Easily one of your best posts.

[houndawg]

What is this "Golden Corral" you speak of..?

The culinary version of People of WalMart.

[houndawg]

So the people that lived with Duncan are out of their 21 day quarantine. How could those people not get ebola but the two nurses did?

I don't know the details of the health care workers' interactions with Duncan. But the fact that none of the people who lived with him became ill lends credibility to the CDC statement that it is not a highly contagious disease in the context of the United States. It lends credibility to the idea that it's not a threat to become an explosive outbreak in the United States.

Don't let that hold you back.

[houndawg]

Local news report tonight that two locals were under quarantine monitoring after returning from West Africa to visit relatives.

Really.

I'm not sure how to discuss this.

5,000 people dead, 10,000 infected over the past year.

50% +/- fatality rate.

And some people feel the need to travel to the heart of the infectious region to visit relatives...

...then fly around the world.

Really?

Wasn't this once a script for a Bruce Willis terrorist-mad scientist-apocalypse horror thriller movie?

And somehow...

...in some political strategy meeting...

...some shitheads thought it was a good idea...

...to make this PANDEMIC a political litmus issue.

Really!

This could be the much-anticipated die-off. The Rapture can't be too far now....

[CAA Flagship]

You could substitute "ebola" with a lot of things and get the same result.

Would you still say that if you knew that I did pay attention during math and science classes?

Well, except for Comparative Anatomy. But that guy was boring.

Regardless, it's true that I"m not concerned about Ebola and think the hysteria going on over it is ridiculous. Influenza is much more of a threat to us; especially if a nasty variant comes on the scene. I can pretty much guarantee you that the number of people who die of influenza in the United States every year dwarfs the number of people that die worldwide from Ebola. And if you were to compare worldwide mortality it'd REALLy dwarf Ebola in terms of mortality.

That's because, even though the probability of death is not nearly as great once you get it, the probability of getting it is much, much, MUCH higher because it is FAR more contagious and prevalent.

Who are you talking to?

[kalm]

Texas has more cases of Ebola than voter fraud.

[CAA Flagship]

What is this "Golden Corral" you speak of..?

The culinary version of People of WalMart.

Both are a donk's campaigning gold mine.

[kalm]

The culinary version of People of WalMart.

Both are a donk's campaigning gold mine.

[JohnStOnge]

I don't know the details of the health care workers' interactions with Duncan. But the fact that none of the people who lived with him became ill lends credibility to the CDC statement that it is not a highly contagious disease in the context of the United States. It lends credibility to the idea that it's not a threat to become an explosive outbreak in the United States.

Don't let that hold you back.

The important part, the part that I DO know, is that none of the people who lived with him or came into casual contact with him contracted the disease. Within the past couple of days I heard that health authorities were tracking 40+ people who came into casual contact with him. NONE of them contracted the disease.

That is consistent with the contention that it is NOT a highly contagious disease.

[houndawg]

Texas has more cases of Ebola than voter fraud.

[travelinman67]

Nobel Award Doctor...Ebola carriers not detectable through body temperature. Gov. Christie policy doesn't ggo far enough...

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/20 ... cart_river

TRENTON — After days of blistering criticism from the ACLU, the CDC and even the United Nations secretary general over Gov. Chris Christie’s new, 21-day mandatory quarantine policyfor all healthcare workers exposed to Ebola, the New Jersey governor has gotten a much-needed vote of support from a heavyweight name in the medical community: Nobel Prize-winning doctor and medical researcher, Dr. Bruce Beutler.Dr. Beutler, an American medical doctor and researcher, won the Nobel Prize for Medicine and Physiology in 2011 for his work researching the cellular subsystem of the body’s overall immune system — the part of it that defends the body from infection by other organisms, like Ebola.He is currently the Director of the Center for the Genetics of Host Defense at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas — the first U.S. city to treat an Ebola patient and also the first to watch one die from the virus. In an exclusive interview with NJ Advance Media, Beutler reviewed Christie’s new policy of mandatory quarantine for all health care workers exposed to Ebola, and declared: “I favor it.”Unfortunately, while the doctor’s support might provide much-needed credibility for Christie as he threatens to quarantine ever more healthcare workers returning from the Ebola fight in West Africa, it also comes with some chilling words.“I favor it, because it’s not entirely clear that they can’t transmit the disease,” Beutler said, referring to asymptomatic healthcare workers like Kaci Hickox, a Doctors Without Borders nurse returning from treating Ebola patients in Sierra Leone who was quarantined in New Jersey for 65 hours before being transported to her home state of Maine on Monday afternoon. “It may not be absolutely true that those without symptoms can’t transmit the disease, because we don’t have the numbers to back that up,” said Beutler, “It could be people develop significant viremia [where viruses enter the bloodstream and gain access to the rest of the body], and become able to transmit the disease before they have a fever, even. People may have said that without symptoms you can’t transmit Ebola. I’m not sure about that being 100 percent true. There’s a lot of variation with viruses.”In fact, in a study published online in late September by the New England Journal of Medicine and backed by the World Health Organization, 3,343 confirmed and 667 probable cases of Ebola were analyzed, and nearly 13 percent of the time, those infected with Ebola exhibited no fever at all.Why, then, does he think the CDC would so emphasize Ebola is not communicable in patients without symptoms?“There’s some imperative to prevent panic among the public,” says Dr. Beutler, “But to be honest, people have not examined that with transmissibility in mind. I don’t completely trust people who’d say that as dogma.”As such, allowing home confinement for medical workers exposed to Ebola but currently without symptoms was, as Beutler put it, “a move away from goodness,’ as an engineer might say.”The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Monday changed direction and called for voluntary home quarantine for workers with the highest risk for Ebola infection. However, it also specified that most medical personnel returning from Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea would not need to be kept in isolation, as Hickox had been ever since she arrived at Newark International Airport on Friday up until her release and transfer to home quarantine in Maine early Monday afternoon.“Even if someone is asymptomatic you cannot rely on people to report themselves if they get a fever,” said Dr. Beutler, adding, “You can’t just depend on the goodwill of people to confine the disease like that – even healthcare workers. They behave very irresponsibly.”Christie has repeatedly pointed to the fact that NBC’s chief medical editor, Dr. Nancy Snyderman, after returning from Ebola besieged West Africa, wasspotted violating her voluntary quarantine to get takeout from a Princeton eatery last week.Despite her forced detainment by the New Jersey health department, Hickox insisted hat she was “feeling physically healthy” and except for a single, non-contact thermometer reading that registered her as having a 101 Fahrenheit fever, has had normal 98.6 F temperatures ever since her quarantine began.“These are no arguments at all,” said Beutler. “Anyone could say that about any disease. It doesn’t matter that she was afebrile – she should be quarantined for 21 days.”Hickox has complained that “her basic human rights were violated” and has since retained a civil rights attorney, but Beutner says he is puzzled by the argument.“These people act like they are returning as conquering heroes — and they should be treated as conquering heroes, but part of being a conquering hero means making sure no one gets infected by you. Just look at the the foolish quarantine where astronauts came back from the moon [where there were no germs] and in this case, we know there is an infection.”From a global perspective, it’s unlikely that the virus will take hold as an epidemic in the U.S., but in Africa, Beutler says it already “has gone ballistic – way, way beyond the past epidemics. One could project that maybe millions could be infected. It may be that it won’t spread like wildfire in the United States but even if one or two more people die, it will be too many.”So, does Gov. Chris Christie have it right?“I’d be a little bit more strict than he is being,” said Beutner, “I realize this would be inconvenient, but I don’t think it would prevent treating the disease.”Christie has not been willing to publicly explain how home quarantine would work in cases like, for example, where a healthcare worker also had children at home.“You’re in your home,” Christie deadpanned to the question when asked it was asked of him in Groton, Connecticut Monday night, “and you’re quarantined.”“I know at times that you all would like to make things a heck of a lot more complicated than they are,” said Christie, “In home quarantine means: In-home. Quarantine. If they are asymptomatic, they can be quarantined in their home.”Beutler disagrees with this, saying “the ideal scenario is where a patient is isolated from all family members,” preferably in an specialized hospital ward, not in a home.The thought of an afebrile parent passing Ebola on to a child – as ostensibly can happen 13 percent of the time, “would disturb me. The point of quarantine of is to make sure they [Ebola viruses] are not carried elsewhere. It’s a little bit frustrating. Some of the things that are being done are not completely motivated by safety. For some reason, there’s an imperative to maintain open borders no matter what – to err on the side of total individual freedom rather than on the side of public health,” he said, adding, “If you really want to isolate a disease, then you have to isolate the people who carry it.”

[BDKJMU]

She was in Sierra Leone treating Ebola patients, shows up at EWR with a fever, and now doesn't want to observe a quarantine. The NYC doc probably thought he was fine too until he showed symptoms.
http://bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-29/nu ... ntine.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BDKJMU]

So the troops, who weren't even in direct contact, have a mandatory 21 quarantine, but that selfish bitch in Maine doesn't?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /18185445/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Ibanez]

So the troops, who weren't even in direct contact, have a mandatory 21 quarantine, but that selfish bitch in Maine doesn't?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /18185445/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Military personnel aren't equal to a private citizen. Sorry. If the Army says " Stay here for 21 days" you do it.

And this Nurse, should be ashamed of herself. It's an inconvenience that protects her and others.

[CAA Flagship]

And this Nurse, should be ashamed of herself. It's an inconvenience that protects others from her.

FIFY

[93henfan]

So the CDC has admitted that the disease that can't be transmitted via the air can be transmitted by sneezing.

[Ibanez]

So the CDC has admitted that the disease that can't be transmitted via the air can be transmitted by sneezing.

That makes sense. We know it's transmitted via fluids.

[93henfan]

So the CDC has admitted that the disease that can't be transmitted via the air can be transmitted by sneezing.

That makes sense. We know it's transmitted via fluids.

Splitting hairs here.

People were under the impression you couldn't get this disease by, say, sitting in a subway car with an infected individual and not touching them.

In fact, you can.

[Ibanez]

That makes sense. We know it's transmitted via fluids.

Splitting hairs here.

People were under the impression you couldn't get this disease by, say, sitting in a subway car with an infected individual and not touching them.

In fact, you can.

Yeah, I get that. Seems that there's a caveat. If fluids are airborne, you're in danger.

[CID1990]

It is not transmitted in aerosol form, but it can be transmitted through spittle, mucus, etc. There is a difference. We'd all be fvcked if it was transmitted in aerosol form.

That said, a lot of sources which include the CDC have tried to make it seem as though Ebola is like HIV in terms of the ease of transmission, and I think that is highly irresponsible. Ebola is MUCH more contagious than HIV

[93henfan]

It is not transmitted in aerosol form, but it can be transmitted through spittle, mucus, etc. There is a difference. We'd all be fvcked if it was transmitted in aerosol form.

That said, a lot of sources which include the CDC have tried to make it seem as though Ebola is like HIV in terms of the ease of transmission, and I think that is highly irresponsible. Ebola is MUCH more contagious than HIV

Bingo

[Ibanez]

It is not transmitted in aerosol form, but it can be transmitted through spittle, mucus, etc. There is a difference. We'd all be fvcked if it was transmitted in aerosol form.

That said, a lot of sources which include the CDC have tried to make it seem as though Ebola is like HIV in terms of the ease of transmission, and I think that is highly irresponsible. Ebola is MUCH more contagious than HIV

Bingo

So my comment is splitting hairs but this is "bingo?" It's the same thing

[JohnStOnge]

She was in Sierra Leone treating Ebola patients, shows up at EWR with a fever, and now doesn't want to observe a quarantine. The NYC doc probably thought he was fine too until he showed symptoms.
http://bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-29/nu ... ntine.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

She tested negative. I read a quote from a Maine Health Official saying she may have been tested too early. But if she was tested after she was observed to have a fever I have to wonder about that. If the fever was caused by Ebola infection I would think a test would have been positive. I would think Ebola antibodies would be present in the bloodstream if the body had responded already as indicated by the fact that there was a fever. Also I assume the reason she was tested is because fever was noted and that would mean she was tested after starting to display fever.

The presence of a fever is usually related to stimulation of the body's immune response. Fever can support the immune system's attempt to gain advantage over infectious agents, such as viruses and bacteria, and it makes the body less favorable as a host for replicating viruses and bacteria, which are temperature sensitive.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... s-a-fever/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Skjellyfetti]

Have you emerged from your bunker yet, BDK? Still hysterical about ebola ravaging the US?

[89Hen]

He hasn't gotten over Y2K yet.