Trump's Secret Documents. The World awaits.

[houndawg]

No idea. But he is a proven pathological liar and plagiarist, so why would you just simply believe him when he claims he did NOT order the raid? What else, honestly, would you EXPECT him to say? He’s going to claim plausible deniability even when he DID order the raid.

I thought he had remained fairly silent on the topic.

All politicians are liars.

I’ve seen nothing to suggest that he ordered the raid. BDK sounded confident that he knew it as fact.

Carry on.

One of the voices told him.

[SDHornet]

Can you list out those "interests at risk" for me, because I thought the list of items taken was redacted?

The only one who can know those interests is trump's special master.

SG and SD, the Bobbsey Twins of the trump/putin message board defense team.

I don't get that reference. That's a new one for me.

[SDHornet]

She doesn’t think anything “demarcates” them? is she being obtuse? Or is she just retarded?

She's retarded. The unredacted list was released a couple hours ago. Trump's office and storage were the two locations the documents were found. Heaven forbid a person not put a file back in the folder, because when you don't do that, it transmits secret data to our enemies.

The worst part is there are people that will believe Trump's files were just laying on the floor.

You mean those sensitive files that were not sensitive enough for a photo op?

BTW, saw some "leaks" to the NYT again. It's like the Russia Collusion hoax all over again....hey jelly, get on this already.

[SDHornet]

You full of shit as a christmas turkey. Clinton was up by 6 the day Comey got involved 11 days before the election

So the FBI shouldn't have been investigating Clinton because she was a presidential candidate and their investigation could impact the election? If that's how it works then trump should announce his candidacy and the investigation should stop.

Or maybe, as AZ has argued, Hillary was responsible for the investigation and its impact because she's the one who had the email server set up. Think that over and maybe we can get your brainstem functioning.

Facts aren't houndie's friend.

[SDHornet]

The justice dept hasn’t said or presented any evidence about ‘nuclear documents’ but please continue to with the leftist twitter conspiracy theories..

It comes from unnamed sources who spoke to WaPo. We probably wouldn’t be discussing much of this right now if Trump hadn’t gone public about the 2nd search. I don’t recall him saying anything regarding the June search. I’m not sure the DOJ needs to be going public with it.

You seriously learned nothing from the Russian Collusion hoax?

[BDKJMU]

The justice dept hasn’t said or presented any evidence about ‘nuclear documents’ but please continue to with the leftist twitter conspiracy theories..

It comes from unnamed sources who spoke to WaPo. We probably wouldn’t be discussing much of this right now if Trump hadn’t gone public about the 2nd search. I don’t recall him saying anything regarding the June search. I’m not sure the DOJ needs to be going public with it.

Just like in the Russia collusion hoax..

[kalm]

Shave and a haircut.

[UNI88]

It comes from unnamed sources who spoke to WaPo. We probably wouldn’t be discussing much of this right now if Trump hadn’t gone public about the 2nd search. I don’t recall him saying anything regarding the June search. I’m not sure the DOJ needs to be going public with it.

You seriously learned nothing from the Russian Collusion hoax?

Just like in the Russia collusion hoax..

Was Russia collusion a hoax? Or was there communication but not enough to rise to the level of collusion?

And how does it differ from the Election was Stolen hoax that gullible idiots continue to push and believe? It looks like there was more fraud committed trying to find voting fraud than there was actual voting fraud.

[houndawg]

You seriously learned nothing from the Russian Collusion hoax?

Just like in the Russia collusion hoax..

Was Russia collusion a hoax? Or was there communication but not enough to rise to the level of collusion?

And how does it differ from the Election was Stolen hoax that gullible idiots continue to push and believe? It looks like there was more fraud committed trying to find voting fraud than there was actual voting fraud.

Funny how the voter little fraud found is most often by Republicans.

[UNI88]

Was Russia collusion a hoax? Or was there communication but not enough to rise to the level of collusion?

And how does it differ from the Election was Stolen hoax that gullible idiots continue to push and believe? It looks like there was more fraud committed trying to find voting fraud than there was actual voting fraud.

Funny how the voter little fraud found is most often by Republicans.

I think it's pretty safe to say that voter fraud is committed by supporters of both sides.

I don't think there was enough to sway either the 2016 or 2020 election. We can and should tighten up our election security more.

[houndawg]

Funny how the voter little fraud found is most often by Republicans.

I think it's pretty safe to say that voter fraud is committed by supporters of both sides.

I don't think there was enough to sway either the 2016 or 2020 election. We can and should tighten up our election security more.

Not arguing that, just saying that every time I see it mentioned in the media, which is rare, its a Republican.

The rate of voter fraud is vanishingly small - voter suppression is where the action is.

[houndawg]

married to a lifelong journalist. Using unnamed sources in her day was a big no-no. If you couldn't get them to go on the record, you didn't print what they had to say. Things have definitely changed in that industry. And not for the better.

Ever hear of watergate?

He was still shitting yellow then.

[kalm]

Funny how the voter little fraud found is most often by Republicans.

I think it's pretty safe to say that voter fraud is committed by supporters of both sides.

I don't think there was enough to sway either the 2016 or 2020 election. We can and should tighten up our election security more.

[GannonFan]

I think it's pretty safe to say that voter fraud is committed by supporters of both sides.

I don't think there was enough to sway either the 2016 or 2020 election. We can and should tighten up our election security more.

Agreed. It doesn't do us any good to know there are gaps in the system, and then do nothing to address those gaps. I know I said it before, but even up to and including the 2016 election, in PA I voted on a voting machine where I pressed a button and the light lit up next to my vote, and then at the end I would press a button that said "vote" and all of my selections would be added to the tally of who I voted for. Or at least I hoped it did. There was literally no way to verify that my vote went to where I intended it to go, there was no paper copy of anything, so there was no way to even do a health check on the machine to make sure it worked. You couldn't even do a recount because there wasn't anything to count. And this was 2016, so just 6 years ago. We now use paper ballots that get scanned in, so at least the paper ballots are a source of recount. The best way to squash conspiracy theories is to make everything as simple and transparent as possible and eliminate any way for people to do something in voting that they shouldn't do.

[BDKJMU]

I think it's pretty safe to say that voter fraud is committed by supporters of both sides.

I don't think there was enough to sway either the 2016 or 2020 election. We can and should tighten up our election security more.

Not arguing that, just saying that every time I see it mentioned in the media, which is rare, its a Republican.

The rate of voter fraud is vanishingly small - voter suppression is where the action is.

[UNI88]

Not arguing that, just saying that every time I see it mentioned in the media, which is rare, its a Republican.

The rate of voter fraud is vanishingly small - voter suppression is where the action is.

Video shows fake Trump elector aided copying of Georgia election data

[kalm]

Since Russian collusion was proven to be a hoax, I guess the investigations into it are now proven legit?

[∞∞∞]

Video shows fake Trump elector aided copying of Georgia election data

I don't think widespread voter fraud is prevalent considering the safeguards in place, but if it exists, I'm inclined to believe it happens in smaller/rural counties because corruption is easier to pull off when there's less eyes looking (and our elections are done at the local level).

[UNI88]

Video shows fake Trump elector aided copying of Georgia election data

I don't think widespread voter fraud is prevalent considering the safeguards in place, but if it exists, I'm inclined to believe it happens in smaller/rural counties because corruption is easier to pull off when there's less eyes looking (and our elections are done at the local level).

I'd agree that it happens at a local level. I would disagree that it happens more in smaller/rural counties, I think it could happen anywhere regardless of size or density. In places where it isn't legal vote harvesting would probably be one of the bigger violations.

[∞∞∞]

I don't think widespread voter fraud is prevalent considering the safeguards in place, but if it exists, I'm inclined to believe it happens in smaller/rural counties because corruption is easier to pull off when there's less eyes looking (and our elections are done at the local level).

I'd agree that it happens at a local level. I would disagree that it happens more in smaller/rural counties, I think it could happen anywhere regardless of size or density. In places where it isn't legal vote harvesting would probably be one of the bigger violations.

This isn't an American thing, but historically, smaller groups (especially monolith groups) have an easier time with undetected corruption and lawlessness. In an American sense, rural lynchings are a great example of this...some only discovered decades later.

When corruption happens in larger areas or in large numbers, it's typically detected, How quickly - if ever - the corruption is dealt with is a different issue, but alarms are often raised nonetheless. It's incredibly difficult to hide secrets after a certain number of people get involved.

Again I'm not saying voter fraud in concerning numbers is happening anywhere, but it's easier for many ideologically different strangers to "check" themselves compared to a small community where everyone knows and is protective of each other.

[GannonFan]

I'd agree that it happens at a local level. I would disagree that it happens more in smaller/rural counties, I think it could happen anywhere regardless of size or density. In places where it isn't legal vote harvesting would probably be one of the bigger violations.

This isn't an American thing, but historically, smaller groups (especially monolith groups) have an easier time with undetected corruption and lawlessness. In an American sense, rural lynchings are a great example of this...some only discovered decades later.

When corruption happens in larger areas or in large numbers, it's typically detected, How quickly - if ever - the corruption is dealt with is a different issue, but alarms are often raised nonetheless. It's incredibly difficult to hide secrets after a certain number of people get involved.

Again I'm not saying voter fraud in concerning numbers is happening anywhere, but it's easier for many ideologically different strangers to "check" themselves compared to a small community where everyone knows and is protective of each other.

Eh, plenty of parts of cities are fairly monolithic once you get down to the neighborhood level. I agree with your premise that it needs to be at the smaller level like that to allow shenanigans to take place, I just don't think having homes closer together and less open space means you can't have the tight-knit, closed off conditions that could lead to covering up bad actors. In the heyday of real election corruption (basically any time before 1965) cities were often the epicenters for the corruption. It's just a matter of volume, sometimes you need more votes to play with to make a difference.

[SeattleGriz]

You seriously learned nothing from the Russian Collusion hoax?

Just like in the Russia collusion hoax..

Was Russia collusion a hoax? Or was there communication but not enough to rise to the level of collusion?

And how does it differ from the Election was Stolen hoax that gullible idiots continue to push and believe? It looks like there was more fraud committed trying to find voting fraud than there was actual voting fraud.

What communication would that be? Please don't say Alfa Bank.

[SeattleGriz]

Funny how the voter little fraud found is most often by Republicans.

I think it's pretty safe to say that voter fraud is committed by supporters of both sides.

I don't think there was enough to sway either the 2016 or 2020 election. We can and should tighten up our election security more.

It's pretty obvious how the election was swayed. Groups like Zuckerberg gave millions, 400 by Zuck, to help get out the vote. That money was used to canvass votes in large metro Dem swing state areas. In addition, rules were changed due to Covid that allowed easier vote shenanigans like ballot harvesting, multiple ballots sent to same location, lack of signature verification, etc. Not to mention vote counting being shut down in multiple locations and restarted without proper supervision.

Put all of it together and that's why you get the statistical anomalies where Trump won 17 of 18 bellwether stats, but still lost.

In the words of Don Surber, if the Reps wanted to compete, they should have learned how to play the game.

[UNI88]

Was Russia collusion a hoax? Or was there communication but not enough to rise to the level of collusion?

And how does it differ from the Election was Stolen hoax that gullible idiots continue to push and believe? It looks like there was more fraud committed trying to find voting fraud than there was actual voting fraud.

What communication would that be? Please don't say Alfa Bank.

Ummmm, communication between people with ties to the trump campaign and people with ties to the Russian government.

[UNI88]

I think it's pretty safe to say that voter fraud is committed by supporters of both sides.

I don't think there was enough to sway either the 2016 or 2020 election. We can and should tighten up our election security more.

It's pretty obvious how the election was swayed. Groups like Zuckerberg gave millions, 400 by Zuck, to help get out the vote. That money was used to canvass votes in large metro Dem swing state areas. In addition, rules were changed due to Covid that allowed easier vote shenanigans like ballot harvesting, multiple ballots sent to same location, lack of signature verification, etc. Not to mention vote counting being shut down in multiple locations and restarted without proper supervision.

Put all of it together and that's why you get the statistical anomalies where Trump won 17 of 18 bellwether stats, but still lost.

In the words of Don Surber, if the Reps wanted to compete, they should have learned how to play the game.

Contributing money isn't fraud. Rules changes by themselves aren't fraud. trump's lawyers were asked repeatedly to provide proof of fraud and were unable to. The election was stolen is a bigger hoax than Russia collusion.