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UNI88 wrote:Trump Just Got Some Bad News Before the G7 Conference
The New York Times reports that traditional allies like Japan, Britain, Canada, France, and others are working more closely together as they look to build an alliance system without the United States. These new alliances are already yielding results. Canada, Britain, and the EU just made a $170 billion defense deal. Britain, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and Norway just placed significant sanctions on two far-right Israeli Cabinet members. The deals made in recent weeks demonstrate the erosion of U.S. diplomatic legitimacy that Trump’s shirking of traditional Western order has caused—a troubling message, as the G7 summit is just days away.

“These are countries that share the broad policy goal of predictable, rules-based international affairs—obviously a goal that is no longer shared by the Trump administration,” Peterson Institute for International Economics senior fellow Jacob Funk Kirkegaard, told the Times. “America first means America first,” he added, “even if it means America more alone.”
MAQA yahoos told us that trump was going to increase the world's respect for America. What happened? Why has he trashed it instead?
Why is having the rest of the western world being fully dependent on the US for global defense a priority for neo-liberals?

Other European countries building up their own defensive infrastructure and capabilities somehow helps Russia, Iran, North Korea and China? Make it make sense.

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DSUrocks07 wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:56 pm
UNI88 wrote:Trump Just Got Some Bad News Before the G7 Conference

MAQA yahoos told us that trump was going to increase the world's respect for America. What happened? Why has he trashed it instead?
Why is having the rest of the western world being fully dependent on the US for global defense a priority for neo-liberals?

Other European countries building up their own defensive infrastructure and capabilities somehow helps Russia, Iran, North Korea and China? Make it make sense.

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It doesn't, it might help russia with Ukraine in the short-term but long-term it hurts them, iran, north korea and china.

It would be great if all they were doing was "building up their own defensive infrastructure and capabilities" while continuing to work with the USA as a critical ally. Unfortunately, they're turning away from the USA and our influence and global stature is suffering.

MAQA yahoos posters on this board talked about the damage biden was doing to the US's international reputation and how we'd be respected again when trump won the election. Unfortunately, the results are pretty much the opposite.

trump is making America worse.
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 2:48 pm
GannonFan wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 12:29 pm

Why the crazy obsession to make sure the bases named after Confederates stay named that way, even if now after other folks? For generic names, sure, finding someone else to name it after should be easy and largely unobjectionable. But to keep AP Hill, they're using 3 different guys - a guy named Hill, and two guys with and A and P as their names. And the irony of that is that those three guys won the Medal of Honor fighting AGAINST the Confederate general their names are going to be used to recreate. Heck, one of them fought directly against Hill at Cold Harbor. Imagine what that guy would think now and how some folks with zero knowledge of history are using his name? Using any Civil War vets to recreate the name of a Confederate so that that fort can keep the same name it had during the past 100+ years of Lost Cause bastardizing of history is just absolute lunacy.
Why the crazy obsession in 2020 to rename them?
Well, they were named after people who wanted to destroy the nation in order to preserve the right to keep people in bondage simply because of the color of their skin. And we named them after those people because we are just now coming out of 150+ years of distorted and bastardized "Lost Cause" history that distorted those facts to make these people seemed to be better and more noble than they were. Not terribly crazy to move away from that.

And please, defend to me how pulling three guys who fought in the Civil War, including a guy who fought directly opposite him at Cold Harbor, in order to mash up their names to recreate that of a somewhat mediocre Confederate general is a good thing. I'll be waiting over here. :coffee:
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DSUrocks07 wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 8:56 pm
UNI88 wrote:Trump Just Got Some Bad News Before the G7 Conference



MAQA yahoos told us that trump was going to increase the world's respect for America. What happened? Why has he trashed it instead?
Why is having the rest of the western world being fully dependent on the US for global defense a priority for neo-liberals?

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GannonFan wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 6:17 am
BDKJMU wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 2:48 pm
Why the crazy obsession in 2020 to rename them?
Well, they were named after people who wanted to destroy the nation in order to preserve the right to keep people in bondage simply because of the color of their skin. And we named them after those people because we are just now coming out of 150+ years of distorted and bastardized "Lost Cause" history that distorted those facts to make these people seemed to be better and more noble than they were. Not terribly crazy to move away from that.

And please, defend to me how pulling three guys who fought in the Civil War, including a guy who fought directly opposite him at Cold Harbor, in order to mash up their names to recreate that of a somewhat mediocre Confederate general is a good thing. I'll be waiting over here. :coffee:
But again why the all of a sudden knee jerk reaction mad rushed reaction in 2020 to rename them? There was very little talk about renaming them 1990s, 2000s, 2010s to this 2020/21 ‘We have to rename them NOW!”

Because if it was simply renamed after Gen AP Hill the left would lose their collective shit. I don’t like the mismatch. I say rename them after the original generals they were named after, tough shit to those who don’t like it. But I’m not in charge. As far as AP Hill, he wasn’t a mediocre general. He was certainly one of the South’s better generals (not the best), although he had more success at the division than Corps level.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 10:13 am
GannonFan wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 6:17 am
Well, they were named after people who wanted to destroy the nation in order to preserve the right to keep people in bondage simply because of the color of their skin. And we named them after those people because we are just now coming out of 150+ years of distorted and bastardized "Lost Cause" history that distorted those facts to make these people seemed to be better and more noble than they were. Not terribly crazy to move away from that.

And please, defend to me how pulling three guys who fought in the Civil War, including a guy who fought directly opposite him at Cold Harbor, in order to mash up their names to recreate that of a somewhat mediocre Confederate general is a good thing. I'll be waiting over here. :coffee:
But again why the all of a sudden knee jerk reaction mad rushed reaction in 2020 to rename them? There was very little talk about renaming them 1990s, 2000s, 2010s to this 2020/21 ‘We have to rename them NOW!”

Because if it was simply renamed after Gen AP Hill the left would lose their collective shit. I don’t like the mismatch. I say rename them after the original generals they were named after, tough shit to those who don’t like it. But I’m not in charge. As far as AP Hill, he wasn’t a mediocre general. He was certainly one of the South’s better generals (not the best), although he had more success at the division than Corps level.
Why "the all of a sudden knee jerk reaction mad rushed reaction in 2025 to rename" US Navy ships like the USNA Harvey Milk?

Why do MAQA yahoos do things that they complained about Obama/biden doing?
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 10:28 am
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 10:13 am
But again why the all of a sudden knee jerk reaction mad rushed reaction in 2020 to rename them? There was very little talk about renaming them 1990s, 2000s, 2010s to this 2020/21 ‘We have to rename them NOW!”

Because if it was simply renamed after Gen AP Hill the left would lose their collective shit. I don’t like the mismatch. I say rename them after the original generals they were named after, tough shit to those who don’t like it. But I’m not in charge. As far as AP Hill, he wasn’t a mediocre general. He was certainly one of the South’s better generals (not the best), although he had more success at the division than Corps level.
Why "the all of a sudden knee jerk reaction mad rushed reaction in 2025 to rename" US Navy ships like the USNA Harvey Milk?

Why do MAQA yahoos do things that they complained about Obama/biden doing?
Knee jerk in response to the lefts BLM knee jerk kneeling.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 10:13 am
GannonFan wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 6:17 am

Well, they were named after people who wanted to destroy the nation in order to preserve the right to keep people in bondage simply because of the color of their skin. And we named them after those people because we are just now coming out of 150+ years of distorted and bastardized "Lost Cause" history that distorted those facts to make these people seemed to be better and more noble than they were. Not terribly crazy to move away from that.

And please, defend to me how pulling three guys who fought in the Civil War, including a guy who fought directly opposite him at Cold Harbor, in order to mash up their names to recreate that of a somewhat mediocre Confederate general is a good thing. I'll be waiting over here. :coffee:
But again why the all of a sudden knee jerk reaction mad rushed reaction in 2020 to rename them? There was very little talk about renaming them 1990s, 2000s, 2010s to this 2020/21 ‘We have to rename them NOW!”

Because if it was simply renamed after Gen AP Hill the left would lose their collective shit. I don’t like the mismatch. I say rename them after the original generals they were named after, tough shit to those who don’t like it. But I’m not in charge. As far as AP Hill, he wasn’t a mediocre general. He was certainly one of the South’s better generals (not the best), although he had more success at the division than Corps level.
There had always been concern about naming them after Confederate generals/officers, and it was ongoing since at least the 1980's. It didn't come up much before the 60's since racism was pretty widespread in the areas where most of these camps were and the Lost Cause movement was very complimentary of treating these names as heroes. Obviously these things take time to correct. At the end of the day, though, why demand they stay named after Confederates anyway, when there were plenty of Union folks to name them after? The majority of these guys took an oath to defend the United States, and then they walked away from that oath to fight the United States. I more than understand the idea as to why they did this and I don't condemn them for doing so given that day and age, but there's a big jump between not condemning them and then honoring them. I'm fine with naming them after people with the same last names, that's a compromise I can live with. The acrobatics to name something AP Hill, though, is too much. Just use the guy named Hill and call it Camp Hill. And maybe I went too far calling him a mediocre general - I still don't think he was anything better than average. He certainly performed better when Jackson or Longstreet were around to cover for him, and neither of them thought very highly of Hill.
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GannonFan wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:05 am
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 10:13 am
But again why the all of a sudden knee jerk reaction mad rushed reaction in 2020 to rename them? There was very little talk about renaming them 1990s, 2000s, 2010s to this 2020/21 ‘We have to rename them NOW!”

Because if it was simply renamed after Gen AP Hill the left would lose their collective shit. I don’t like the mismatch. I say rename them after the original generals they were named after, tough shit to those who don’t like it. But I’m not in charge. As far as AP Hill, he wasn’t a mediocre general. He was certainly one of the South’s better generals (not the best), although he had more success at the division than Corps level.
There had always been concern about naming them after Confederate generals/officers, and it was ongoing since at least the 1980's. It didn't come up much before the 60's since racism was pretty widespread in the areas where most of these camps were and the Lost Cause movement was very complimentary of treating these names as heroes. Obviously these things take time to correct. At the end of the day, though, why demand they stay named after Confederates anyway, when there were plenty of Union folks to name them after? The majority of these guys took an oath to defend the United States, and then they walked away from that oath to fight the United States. I more than understand the idea as to why they did this and I don't condemn them for doing so given that day and age, but there's a big jump between not condemning them and then honoring them. I'm fine with naming them after people with the same last names, that's a compromise I can live with. The acrobatics to name something AP Hill, though, is too much. Just use the guy named Hill and call it Camp Hill. And maybe I went too far calling him a mediocre general - I still don't think he was anything better than average. He certainly performed better when Jackson or Longstreet were around to cover for him, and neither of them thought very highly of Hill.
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Memory chip maker Micron (MU) announced on Thursday that it will invest an additional $30 billion in the US as it looks to build out its manufacturing and research and development facilities in Idaho and New York.

The move brings Micron's total US manufacturing and R&D investments up to roughly $200 billion, which would create some 90,000 direct and indirect jobs, the company said. Micron is receiving about $6.5 billion in funding from the US CHIPS and Science Act.

The plans call for Micron to build a second memory manufacturing plant at its Boise, Idaho, facility and a massive chip fabrication complex in New York. The company is also updating and expanding its Virginia plant.

Micron said it expects the second Idaho plant to help the company bring its advanced high-bandwidth memory (HBM) manufacturing to the US. HBM is a key component in AI data centers….
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Imagine someone being denied care from a specialist because they’re wearing a MAGA hat.
Doctors at Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) hospitals nationwide could refuse to treat unmarried veterans and Democrats under new hospital guidelines imposed following an executive order by Donald Trump.

The new rules, obtained by the Guardian, also apply to psychologists, dentists and a host of other occupations. They have already gone into effect in at least some VA medical centers.

Medical staff are still required to treat veterans regardless of race, color, religion and sex, and all veterans remain entitled to treatment. But individual workers are now free to decline to care for patients based on personal characteristics not explicitly prohibited by federal law.

Language requiring healthcare professionals to care for veterans regardless of their politics and marital status has been explicitly eliminated.
In an emailed response to questions, the VA press secretary, Peter Kasperowicz, did not dispute that the new rules allowed doctors to refuse to treat veteran patients based on their beliefs or that physicians could be dismissed based on their marital status or political affiliation, but said “all eligible veterans will always be welcome at VA and will always receive the benefits and services they’ve earned under the law”.

He said the rule changes were nothing more than “a formality”, but confirmed that they were made to comply with Trump’s executive order. Kasperowicz also said the revisions were necessary to “ensure VA policy comports with federal law”. He did not say which federal law or laws required these changes.
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kalm wrote: Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:08 am Imagine someone being denied care from a specialist because they’re wearing a MAGA hat.
Doctors at Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) hospitals nationwide could refuse to treat unmarried veterans and Democrats under new hospital guidelines imposed following an executive order by Donald Trump.

The new rules, obtained by the Guardian, also apply to psychologists, dentists and a host of other occupations. They have already gone into effect in at least some VA medical centers.

Medical staff are still required to treat veterans regardless of race, color, religion and sex, and all veterans remain entitled to treatment. But individual workers are now free to decline to care for patients based on personal characteristics not explicitly prohibited by federal law.

Language requiring healthcare professionals to care for veterans regardless of their politics and marital status has been explicitly eliminated.
In an emailed response to questions, the VA press secretary, Peter Kasperowicz, did not dispute that the new rules allowed doctors to refuse to treat veteran patients based on their beliefs or that physicians could be dismissed based on their marital status or political affiliation, but said “all eligible veterans will always be welcome at VA and will always receive the benefits and services they’ve earned under the law”.

He said the rule changes were nothing more than “a formality”, but confirmed that they were made to comply with Trump’s executive order. Kasperowicz also said the revisions were necessary to “ensure VA policy comports with federal law”. He did not say which federal law or laws required these changes.
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Quick do a bankruptcy joke now its so edgy and fresh!!!
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:38 am
That's a pretty compelling argument against the increased funding in trump's BBB (i.e. new legislation). Thank you for sharing! :D
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:45 am
BDKJMU wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:38 am
That's a pretty compelling argument against the increased funding in trump's BBB (i.e. new legislation). Thank you for sharing! :D
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Majority of Americans disapprove of Trump's second term, but he leads on immigration: new poll
45% of Americans approve of the way Trump is handling his job as president, while 55% disapprove.
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Fifty-one percent of Democrats agreed that they feel "furious" about the Trump administration, compared to 23 percent of Republicans who agreed.

GOP survey respondents also shifted seven percentage points away from feeling "thrilled" about Trump from earlier surveys: 25% of Republicans said they felt thrilled over Trump’s actions in the latest poll, compared to 32% who said the same in April.
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Now, Trump is leading on the issue. According to the survey, 51% of Americans approve Trump’s handling of border security and immigration, while 49% disapprove.
MAQA yahoos want to keep the focus on immigration because it's one of the few areas where trump 0.2 hasn't been a Charlie Foxtrot of waffling.

Too be fair, trump's polling at this point in his 2nd term is similar to Obama's.
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Cool poll


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