April is Confederate History Month

[citdog]

Genl Hood, by the time he was appointed to replace Genl Johnston, had lost the use of his right arm and had his leg amputated due to wounds received leading the famous Texas Brigade. They had to strap him into the saddle so he could ride. He was personally brave to a fault and earned his nom de guerre "The Gallant Hood". Appa I have read in Mary Chestnut's diary that there was a young woman that Hood courted while he was recuperating in Richmond from his Gettysburg wound but it is difficult to say that's why he ordered the attack at Franklin. I think the Spring Hill affair is what lead to Franklin.

Conventional wisdom (and when I saw conventional wisdom, I mean people like Shelby Foote and Bruce Catton) relates that Hood was upset over Spring Hill and Franklin was his attempt to 'put the iron' to the army for the earlier reticence. It was a brave moment but it was also a petulant one. Hood was a fighter, and his bravery has never been in question, but at Franklin he was channeling Grant at Cold Harbor.

Even that thinking is undergoing a bit of a change. I have walked what is left of the field at least 20 times in the last 5 years. I have read all of the memoirs. Franklin has always intrigued me because of all of the men from South Carolina, including my kinsman General States Rights Gist, who were killed there. This is my take. Hood really had no choice but to do exactly what he did. As happened so often in that war to both sides (Burnside before Fredricksburg) his pontoon bridge was not where it was supposed to be when it was supposed to be at the beginning of the campaign. This delay was fatal and gave the yankees time to concentrate against him. At this point in the war it's amazing that any logistical system functioned at all for us. Hood could have either attacked or retreated. He could not stay where he was because the country had been picked clean by the yankees who retreated from in front of him. If he had retreated and gave up his campaign without bringing the yankees into battle he would have been forced to resign his command and probably seen his Army begin to come apart. He had to attack. He had to take the works and drive the yankees into two groups that could not support one another and then crush them in detail. Genl Cleburne did drive those people from their works we just didn't have the manpower to exploit the breach and destroy them against the river. Those men almost did it and it was an impossible thing at that point in the war. If the same event had taken place in 1862 and the Army of Tennessee was 43,000 strong instead of November of 1864 when the Army had 20,000 starving, barefoot, and ill clad infantry I think the object would have been accomplished and Genl Schofield and his entire force either prisoners or casualties.

Genl Cleburne at Franklin




General States Rights Gist

[GannonFan]

Didn't really die like men - it was a slaughter. You'd had thought that that late in the war, after seeing numerous examples of why you don't frontally assault fortified positions (Fredricksburg, Gettysburg, Cold Harbor, etc) that they would've come up with another idea. I know the war was lost well before Franklin, but that assault, coupled with the ridiculous attempt to siege Nashville right afterwards (the equivalent of a wobbly boxer stumbling forward to walk into the knockout blow from the opponent) did much to tar Hood's war record. Certainly had plenty of initiative, but bravely ordering men to their certain death with no hopes of victory isn't terribly honorable.

It was a desperate time and Genl Hood was put in command by President Davis to fight. The morale of the Army of Tennessee had been weakened by the tactics of Genl Johnston and his retreat from Chattanooga to Atlanta. While Johnston defeated Sherman when they fought, Ringgold Gap, Kennesaw Mtn, Resaca , Tunnel Hill etc, Sherman always flanked Johnston out of the strong defensive positions that he took. Hood was given command when it no longer was possible to save Atlanta even though it took Sherman more than 40 days to finally cut the Decatur road and force Hood out of Atlanta. Any retrograde movement by the Army of Tennessee from Atlanta would have probably have destroyed it. The men were in good spirits as many of them were marching to defend their own homes in Tennessee. The assault at Franklin was Hood at his most aggressive. He should have bagged the whole lot of the yankee invader at Spring Hill and Hood and everyone else knew it. The Confederate Soldier at Franklin, Tennessee was MAGNIFICENT. He performed like he always performed. He took his orders and said to the devil with the odds and he fought for what God gave him the ability to see as right and he drove the yankees from the field. That is HEROIC and no matter how hard those like you, who hate him because man for man he was BETTER than you, try and tear him down his fame and good name are secure for US to pass down to our Sons. It is no wonder you yankees have chosen to forget. If members of my family committed the vile outrages upon decency and humanity that yours did.....I'd want to forget too.

Genl John Bell Hood at Gaines's Mill


Genl Hood's coat and sword


Life and wounds of Genl Hood
http://longstreet.org/Hood.htm

See, your problem is that you can't take any criticism, valid or not, of Southern forces without getting emotional about it. Just like CID said, Hood was channeling his inner-Grant at Cold Harbor at Franklin. In one breath you mock the Union and Grant's expertise by saying he sent men to their death at Cold Harbor, and then in the other you deify Hood for doing the same at Franklin. At that point in the war, it was basically over. Nothing Hood was going to do was going to turn the course of the war and all he did at Franklin was to make sure his own men died. And then he compounded that decision by throwing them to their deaths at Nashville. Obviously Hood was a man of immense bravery and force of personality and pride, but those same qualities worked against him when he destroyed his army in these two engagements. Lee was a man who had the same exact qualities, but he realized at Appomattox that it was practically immoral to order the deaths of his men when the cause was lost - Hood was incapable of making the same decision.

As for Sherman and Johnston, that was just a great example of two excellent generals conducting a great strategic campaign. The end result was basically inevitable, and Hood replacing Johnston just sped up the inevitable as Hood, as he was apt to do, wasted his men. Face it, by 1864 it was just a question of how patient the Union was going to be to end the war - the South could only prolong it and hope for the North to tire of it, and generals like Hood just sped up the end.

[Appaholic]

It is no wonder you yankees have chosen to forget. If members of my family committed the vile outrages upon decency and humanity that yours did.....I'd want to forget too.

Nothing like getting a moral reprimand from a Suthren' whose ancestors were the most godless, vile scum ever known in this country....

Union soldier in Andersonville....



...and slave from Louisiana.



How sad some people would celebrate this heritage. Even the Germans had the decency to admit they were wrong in their atrocities.... That the Southern politicians would start a war to protect the institution of slavery and then frame it as a necessary war to protect their land from the invading hordes of Union soldiers...that they would sacrifice their children to protect the enslavement and mistreatment of fellow human beings is despicable...there's a special place in hell for the leaders of the south circa 1850-1860...

[CitadelGrad]

The emaciated norther prisoner received the same rations as his captors. Confederate prisoners were not so fortunate. Their Yankee captors often deliberately starved them.

As for the Louisiana slave, he must have been a very uppity negro to get that kind of treatment.

[Appaholic]

The emaciated norther prisoner received the same rations as his captors. Confederate prisoners were not so fortunate. Their Yankee captors often deliberately starved them.

The ungrateful, cowardly traitors weren't worth the food or the bullet to put them out of their misery...

[GannonFan]

The emaciated norther prisoner received the same rations as his captors. Confederate prisoners were not so fortunate. Their Yankee captors often deliberately starved them.

As for the Louisiana slave, he must have been a very uppity negro to get that kind of treatment.

What is it with you Citadel folks - you can't admit to any wrong doing by the South or any mistakes. Yankee captors "often" deliberately starved prisoners? Easy to say, hard to prove as "often". POW camps on both sides of the war were awful and thousands of prisoners died. But defining all Northern prisons by using Camp Douglas or Point Lookout as the examples is just as invalid as using Andersonville and Libby as the standard bearers in the South. All were scenes of great atrocities and all were stains on both sides of the war.

[CitadelGrad]

The emaciated norther prisoner received the same rations as his captors. Confederate prisoners were not so fortunate. Their Yankee captors often deliberately starved them.

As for the Louisiana slave, he must have been a very uppity negro to get that kind of treatment.

What is it with you Citadel folks - you can't admit to any wrong doing by the South or any mistakes. Yankee captors "often" deliberately starved prisoners? Easy to say, hard to prove as "often". POW camps on both sides of the war were awful and thousands of prisoners died. But defining all Northern prisons by using Camp Douglas or Point Lookout as the examples is just as invalid as using Andersonville and Libby as the standard bearers in the South. All were scenes of great atrocities and all were stains on both sides of the war.

Any mistakes the Confederacy made wouldn't have happened had Mr. Lincoln stayed on his side of the Mason-Dixon Line. There is a price to be paid for initiating a war of aggression.

[GannonFan]

What is it with you Citadel folks - you can't admit to any wrong doing by the South or any mistakes. Yankee captors "often" deliberately starved prisoners? Easy to say, hard to prove as "often". POW camps on both sides of the war were awful and thousands of prisoners died. But defining all Northern prisons by using Camp Douglas or Point Lookout as the examples is just as invalid as using Andersonville and Libby as the standard bearers in the South. All were scenes of great atrocities and all were stains on both sides of the war.

Any mistakes the Confederacy made wouldn't have happened had Mr. Lincoln stayed on his side of the Mason-Dixon Line. There is a price to be paid for initiating a war of aggression.

Pretty sure you guys fired the first shot, no? Oh, and does this mean your prior contention that the South treated their prisoners as well as themselves is to be ignored as made up?

[CID1990]

The emaciated norther prisoner received the same rations as his captors. Confederate prisoners were not so fortunate. Their Yankee captors often deliberately starved them.

As for the Louisiana slave, he must have been a very uppity negro to get that kind of treatment.

What is it with you Citadel folks - you can't admit to any wrong doing by the South or any mistakes. Yankee captors "often" deliberately starved prisoners? Easy to say, hard to prove as "often". POW camps on both sides of the war were awful and thousands of prisoners died. But defining all Northern prisons by using Camp Douglas or Point Lookout as the examples is just as invalid as using Andersonville and Libby as the standard bearers in the South. All were scenes of great atrocities and all were stains on both sides of the war.

Go back and search all my posts, and then come back here and say that again. You'll need to rephrase the "you Citadel folks" thing.

Again, you're lumping.

The CSA was a veritable avalanche of mistakes, and nobody denies that.

[mrklean]

The emaciated norther prisoner received the same rations as his captors. Confederate prisoners were not so fortunate. Their Yankee captors often deliberately starved them.

As for the Louisiana slave, he must have been a very uppity negro to get that kind of treatment.

Too bad they cant whip negros like that today....................lol Young brothers would kill them were you stand. NEVER AGAIN!!!! BEOCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GannonFan]

What is it with you Citadel folks - you can't admit to any wrong doing by the South or any mistakes. Yankee captors "often" deliberately starved prisoners? Easy to say, hard to prove as "often". POW camps on both sides of the war were awful and thousands of prisoners died. But defining all Northern prisons by using Camp Douglas or Point Lookout as the examples is just as invalid as using Andersonville and Libby as the standard bearers in the South. All were scenes of great atrocities and all were stains on both sides of the war.

Go back and search all my posts, and then come back here and say that again. You'll need to rephrase the "you Citadel folks" thing.

Again, you're lumping.

The CSA was a veritable avalanche of mistakes, and nobody denies that.

Never said "all Citadel folks" - I was just referencing the two that posted right before me. And I'm not sure "nobody denies it" is all that accurate - citdog needs to weigh in on that.

[citdog]

I am so glad that gannonjocksniffer and appa brought up the issue of prisoners.

the shame of chicago. highest death rate of any prison during the war. http://yankeewarcrimes.blogspot.com/201 ... uglas.html

yankee crimes against prisoners.
here http://www.plpow.com/Atrocities_OutrageAtPL.htm

The Lane Resolution of the 38th United States Congress. Mistreatment of Confederate POW's becomes US Policy.
http://www.plpow.com/Atrocities_SenateResolution97.htm

Point Lookout, Md
http://www.plpow.com/Atrocities_PointLookoutPOW.htm

Camp Chase
http://www.plpow.com/Atrocities_CampChasePOW.htm

It should be noted that a HIGHER PERCENTAGE of Confederate prisoners died in yankee camps, in the land of plenty, than Union prisoners died in southern camps.

as far as the whipping of servants goes. I challenge ANY of you to produce another picture of a servant with whip marks. If it was as wide spread as is alleged those type of pictures should be crushing by the sheer weight of numbers of them avaliable. So post away. ALL you can find. I await your pictures. When you can't post anymore, because there are aren't any JUST the one, I'll let you draw your own conclusion as to why that is.

[CitadelGrad]

The emaciated norther prisoner received the same rations as his captors. Confederate prisoners were not so fortunate. Their Yankee captors often deliberately starved them.

As for the Louisiana slave, he must have been a very uppity negro to get that kind of treatment.

Too bad they cant whip negros like that today....................lol Young brothers would kill them were you stand. NEVER AGAIN!!!! BEOCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Young bros don't really need an excuse to kill. They do it all the time.

[citdog]

It was a desperate time and Genl Hood was put in command by President Davis to fight. The morale of the Army of Tennessee had been weakened by the tactics of Genl Johnston and his retreat from Chattanooga to Atlanta. While Johnston defeated Sherman when they fought, Ringgold Gap, Kennesaw Mtn, Resaca , Tunnel Hill etc, Sherman always flanked Johnston out of the strong defensive positions that he took. Hood was given command when it no longer was possible to save Atlanta even though it took Sherman more than 40 days to finally cut the Decatur road and force Hood out of Atlanta. Any retrograde movement by the Army of Tennessee from Atlanta would have probably have destroyed it. The men were in good spirits as many of them were marching to defend their own homes in Tennessee. The assault at Franklin was Hood at his most aggressive. He should have bagged the whole lot of the yankee invader at Spring Hill and Hood and everyone else knew it. The Confederate Soldier at Franklin, Tennessee was MAGNIFICENT. He performed like he always performed. He took his orders and said to the devil with the odds and he fought for what God gave him the ability to see as right and he drove the yankees from the field. That is HEROIC and no matter how hard those like you, who hate him because man for man he was BETTER than you, try and tear him down his fame and good name are secure for US to pass down to our Sons. It is no wonder you yankees have chosen to forget. If members of my family committed the vile outrages upon decency and humanity that yours did.....I'd want to forget too.

Genl John Bell Hood at Gaines's Mill


Genl Hood's coat and sword


Life and wounds of Genl Hood
http://longstreet.org/Hood.htm

See, your problem is that you can't take any criticism, valid or not, of Southern forces without getting emotional about it. Just like CID said, Hood was channeling his inner-Grant at Cold Harbor at Franklin. In one breath you mock the Union and Grant's expertise by saying he sent men to their death at Cold Harbor, and then in the other you deify Hood for doing the same at Franklin. At that point in the war, it was basically over. Nothing Hood was going to do was going to turn the course of the war and all he did at Franklin was to make sure his own men died. And then he compounded that decision by throwing them to their deaths at Nashville. Obviously Hood was a man of immense bravery and force of personality and pride, but those same qualities worked against him when he destroyed his army in these two engagements. Lee was a man who had the same exact qualities, but he realized at Appomattox that it was practically immoral to order the deaths of his men when the cause was lost - Hood was incapable of making the same decision.

As for Sherman and Johnston, that was just a great example of two excellent generals conducting a great strategic campaign. The end result was basically inevitable, and Hood replacing Johnston just sped up the inevitable as Hood, as he was apt to do, wasted his men. Face it, by 1864 it was just a question of how patient the Union was going to be to end the war - the South could only prolong it and hope for the North to tire of it, and generals like Hood just sped up the end.

To say that our men who died at Franklin, Tennessee and Nashville "didn't die like men" is not criticism it is SLANDER and if spoken in my presence, or any true Southron, would cause you to part with several of your teeth. gannonjocksniffer you hate the South and it BURNS the hell out of you that we were right and that it took your invading, coercing, murdering, scum of an ancestor almost half of a decade to defeat us. It BURNS you up that ONE of our Confederate soldiers was worth SEVERAL of yours as was PROVEN on so many fields. I admit that I hate the yankee and that he can do no good in my eyes because he fought against EVERY founding principle of this Nation. I have never denied this hatred and yet even I acknowledge that the conduct of the federal troops on the battlefield was extraordinary. Fredricksburg comes to mind as an example. You will find NONE of us that have ever denied you that fact. Why you choose to attempt to do that to us can only be explained by your hatred of Johnny Reb because of his prowess as a soldier. Your attempt to "Rick Reilly", read hatchet job, Genl Hood is something that is not limited to just someone of your poor intellect. Historian Wiley Sword has been attempting to do so for 25 years. You can read about it here http://swordexposed.com/

[citdog]

The emaciated norther prisoner received the same rations as his captors. Confederate prisoners were not so fortunate. Their Yankee captors often deliberately starved them.

As for the Louisiana slave, he must have been a very uppity negro to get that kind of treatment.

What is it with you Citadel folks - you can't admit to any wrong doing by the South or any mistakes. Yankee captors "often" deliberately starved prisoners? Easy to say, hard to prove as "often". POW camps on both sides of the war were awful and thousands of prisoners died. But defining all Northern prisons by using Camp Douglas or Point Lookout as the examples is just as invalid as using Andersonville and Libby as the standard bearers in the South. All were scenes of great atrocities and all were stains on both sides of the war.

How do you explain the fact that we held 50,000 more of you wicked scum in our prisons and yet a HIGHER PERCENTAGE of our men died in yours? Which side classified medicine as "contraband of war"? Which side maintained an illegal blockade? How do you explain the Lane Resolution? How do you explain men starving to death while held captive in your major cities where citizens were living without an iota of difference from their antebellum days? Our men died while around them was plenty. I await your explanation.

[citdog]

A few ironclads of the Confederate States Navy


C.S.S. Chicora


C.S.S. Atlanta (pictured after her capture by federal forces)


C.S.S. Tennessee (pictured after the war)


C.S.S. Stonewall


C.S.S. Louisiana


C.S.S. Palmetto State

[Appaholic]

I am so glad that gannonjocksniffer and appa brought up the issue of prisoners.

the shame of chicago. highest death rate of any prison during the war. http://yankeewarcrimes.blogspot.com/201 ... uglas.html

yankee crimes against prisoners.
here http://www.plpow.com/Atrocities_OutrageAtPL.htm

The Lane Resolution of the 38th United States Congress. Mistreatment of Confederate POW's becomes US Policy.
http://www.plpow.com/Atrocities_SenateResolution97.htm

Point Lookout, Md
http://www.plpow.com/Atrocities_PointLookoutPOW.htm

Camp Chase
http://www.plpow.com/Atrocities_CampChasePOW.htm

It should be noted that a HIGHER PERCENTAGE of Confederate prisoners died in yankee camps, in the land of plenty, than Union prisoners died in southern camps.

as far as the whipping of servants goes. I challenge ANY of you to produce another picture of a servant with whip marks. If it was as wide spread as is alleged those type of pictures should be crushing by the sheer weight of numbers of them avaliable. So post away. ALL you can find. I await your pictures. When you can't post anymore, because there are aren't any JUST the one, I'll let you draw your own conclusion as to why that is.

So, the fact that a higher percentage of Confederate POW's may have died in Federal camps than Union POW's in CSA camps means the South didn't make any mistakes and absolves all Southerners from this era of any blame for their self-inflicted misfortunes? That alone proves the Union POW camps were more brutal than the CSA camps? Why couldn't it mean the confederate soldiers were weak little pussies who couldn't handle adversity? I mean, it's obvious they didn't like hard work or to sweat in their labors, hence their policy of owning slaves.....just sayin'....

[Appaholic]

as far as the whipping of servants goes. I challenge ANY of you to produce another picture of a servant with whip marks. If it was as wide spread as is alleged those type of pictures should be crushing by the sheer weight of numbers of them avaliable. So post away. ALL you can find. I await your pictures. When you can't post anymore, because there are aren't any JUST the one, I'll let you draw your own conclusion as to why that is.

I guess it didn't exist then.....the biggest scam this side of the so-called "holocaust"....

[citdog]

I am so glad that gannonjocksniffer and appa brought up the issue of prisoners.

the shame of chicago. highest death rate of any prison during the war. http://yankeewarcrimes.blogspot.com/201 ... uglas.html

yankee crimes against prisoners.
here http://www.plpow.com/Atrocities_OutrageAtPL.htm

The Lane Resolution of the 38th United States Congress. Mistreatment of Confederate POW's becomes US Policy.
http://www.plpow.com/Atrocities_SenateResolution97.htm

Point Lookout, Md
http://www.plpow.com/Atrocities_PointLookoutPOW.htm

Camp Chase
http://www.plpow.com/Atrocities_CampChasePOW.htm

It should be noted that a HIGHER PERCENTAGE of Confederate prisoners died in yankee camps, in the land of plenty, than Union prisoners died in southern camps.

as far as the whipping of servants goes. I challenge ANY of you to produce another picture of a servant with whip marks. If it was as wide spread as is alleged those type of pictures should be crushing by the sheer weight of numbers of them avaliable. So post away. ALL you can find. I await your pictures. When you can't post anymore, because there are aren't any JUST the one, I'll let you draw your own conclusion as to why that is.

So, the fact that a higher percentage of Confederate POW's may have died in Federal camps than Union POW's in CSA camps means the South didn't make any mistakes and absolves all Southerners from this era of any blame for their self-inflicted misfortunes? That alone proves the Union POW camps were more brutal than the CSA camps? Why couldn't it mean the confederate soldiers were weak little pussies who couldn't handle adversity? I mean, it's obvious they didn't like hard work or to sweat in their labors, hence their policy of owning slaves.....just sayin'....

We chose to exit a voluntary contract in the same manner that we entered it. Our misfortunes were not self inflicted. All we asked is to be left alone to live out our national destiny. The wounds were received at the hands of those whom were once our brethren. Brothers no more. While the prisons in which we housed our enemy were no Baptist Church Summer Camps we did the best we could to care for them. Those yankees suffered and they died by the thousands but it was not out of sheer petulance nor was it deliberately enhanced by those in charge. On the other hand we see, through the Lane Resolution, that it was the POLICY of the government of the 'late united states' to mistreat our men they held. How SHAMEFUL is it that EVEN ONE Confederate Soldier died of starvation at Camp Douglas? It was located in THE GODDAMN CITY OF CHICAGO! ONE TRIP TO THE CITY MARKET COULD HAVE CURED THE SCURVY AND DYSENTARY THAT WAS SO RAMPANT AND SUCH A KILLER THERE. AT ELMIRA THE YANKEES CANNOT DENY THEIR CRIMES BECAUSE THEY BUILT A PLATFORM AND CHARGED .10 A HEAD TO "SEE THE JOHNNY REBS" LIKE A FUCKING ZOO. Read these links I am posting and tell me if this isn't disgraceful. It was WANTON. It was CRIMINAL. It was DELIBERATE. It was MURDER on a scale that shocks the senses. Read the truth that is posted below and tell me that I am wrong.
http://yankeewarcrimes.blogspot.com/201 ... chive.html
http://www.plpow.com/Atrocities_PointLookoutPOW.htm

http://www.plpow.com/Atrocities_CampChasePOW.htm

[GannonFan]

See, your problem is that you can't take any criticism, valid or not, of Southern forces without getting emotional about it. Just like CID said, Hood was channeling his inner-Grant at Cold Harbor at Franklin. In one breath you mock the Union and Grant's expertise by saying he sent men to their death at Cold Harbor, and then in the other you deify Hood for doing the same at Franklin. At that point in the war, it was basically over. Nothing Hood was going to do was going to turn the course of the war and all he did at Franklin was to make sure his own men died. And then he compounded that decision by throwing them to their deaths at Nashville. Obviously Hood was a man of immense bravery and force of personality and pride, but those same qualities worked against him when he destroyed his army in these two engagements. Lee was a man who had the same exact qualities, but he realized at Appomattox that it was practically immoral to order the deaths of his men when the cause was lost - Hood was incapable of making the same decision.

As for Sherman and Johnston, that was just a great example of two excellent generals conducting a great strategic campaign. The end result was basically inevitable, and Hood replacing Johnston just sped up the inevitable as Hood, as he was apt to do, wasted his men. Face it, by 1864 it was just a question of how patient the Union was going to be to end the war - the South could only prolong it and hope for the North to tire of it, and generals like Hood just sped up the end.

To say that our men who died at Franklin, Tennessee and Nashville "didn't die like men" is not criticism it is SLANDER and if spoken in my presence, or any true Southron, would cause you to part with several of your teeth. gannonjocksniffer you hate the South and it BURNS the hell out of you that we were right and that it took your invading, coercing, murdering, scum of an ancestor almost half of a decade to defeat us. It BURNS you up that ONE of our Confederate soldiers was worth SEVERAL of yours as was PROVEN on so many fields. I admit that I hate the yankee and that he can do no good in my eyes because he fought against EVERY founding principle of this Nation. I have never denied this hatred and yet even I acknowledge that the conduct of the federal troops on the battlefield was extraordinary. Fredricksburg comes to mind as an example. You will find NONE of us that have ever denied you that fact. Why you choose to attempt to do that to us can only be explained by your hatred of Johnny Reb because of his prowess as a soldier. Your attempt to "Rick Reilly", read hatchet job, Genl Hood is something that is not limited to just someone of your poor intellect. Historian Wiley Sword has been attempting to do so for 25 years. You can read about it here http://swordexposed.com/

You're an absolute hypocrite and liar, citdog. You joke about guys like Shaw and the colored troops he led as having anal sex in hell for their "bravery" in the field. You're comtempt for those who fought for the Union completely blinds you and leads to the many distortions and fallacies that you cling to today. Even you're inability to recognize that slavery was deplorable and an atrocity to all mankind is just further proof. I'll stay here and belittle you and your thread over and over since apparently you just don't get it - your whitewashing of history and only seeing the South in a good light while not only turning a blind eye but in fact refusing to believe that anything the South did was bad or dishonorable besmirches any honor you may have had. You're a charlatan and a hack and I intend to point that out every time. Next?

[citdog]

To say that our men who died at Franklin, Tennessee and Nashville "didn't die like men" is not criticism it is SLANDER and if spoken in my presence, or any true Southron, would cause you to part with several of your teeth. gannonjocksniffer you hate the South and it BURNS the hell out of you that we were right and that it took your invading, coercing, murdering, scum of an ancestor almost half of a decade to defeat us. It BURNS you up that ONE of our Confederate soldiers was worth SEVERAL of yours as was PROVEN on so many fields. I admit that I hate the yankee and that he can do no good in my eyes because he fought against EVERY founding principle of this Nation. I have never denied this hatred and yet even I acknowledge that the conduct of the federal troops on the battlefield was extraordinary. Fredricksburg comes to mind as an example. You will find NONE of us that have ever denied you that fact. Why you choose to attempt to do that to us can only be explained by your hatred of Johnny Reb because of his prowess as a soldier. Your attempt to "Rick Reilly", read hatchet job, Genl Hood is something that is not limited to just someone of your poor intellect. Historian Wiley Sword has been attempting to do so for 25 years. You can read about it here http://swordexposed.com/

You're an absolute hypocrite and liar, citdog. You joke about guys like Shaw and the colored troops he led as having anal sex in hell for their "bravery" in the field. You're comtempt for those who fought for the Union completely blinds you and leads to the many distortions and fallacies that you cling to today. Even you're inability to recognize that slavery was deplorable and an atrocity to all mankind is just further proof. I'll stay here and belittle you and your thread over and over since apparently you just don't get it - your whitewashing of history and only seeing the South in a good light while not only turning a blind eye but in fact refusing to believe that anything the South did was bad or dishonorable besmirches any honor you may have had. You're a charlatan and a hack and I intend to point that out every time. Next?

Your lack of a sense of humor is disturbing. Do you know the meaning of hyperbole? Do you think I really believe that sherman, shaw, john brown, and denmark vessey are enjoying the pleasure of each others "gannonfan" in hell? I have contempt for the yankees because BY THEIR OWN ACTIONS IN THE CONDUCT OF THE WAR IT IS ALL THEY DESERVE FROM US. I have never said a word in defense of the peculiar institution. It was a stain upon the South but while it was practiced it was as legal as breathing. Morally indefensible as it was. I believe this thread and this month are called "Confederate History Month" and the purpose is to have OUR side of the story be told. I understand that hearing the truth is painful and it hurts but it doesn't change the facts. You yankees have all 11 other months so be content with that. I see the South and her GLORIOUS CAUSE only in a good light because that is the only way it is possible to see it. We lost everything.......SAVE HONOR. You won everything and LOST your honor. If I ever see you in person I will demand satisfaction for your slandering above. It is my right.

[citdog]

as far as the whipping of servants goes. I challenge ANY of you to produce another picture of a servant with whip marks. If it was as wide spread as is alleged those type of pictures should be crushing by the sheer weight of numbers of them avaliable. So post away. ALL you can find. I await your pictures. When you can't post anymore, because there are aren't any JUST the one, I'll let you draw your own conclusion as to why that is.

I guess it didn't exist then.....the biggest scam this side of the so-called "holocaust"....

Of course it existed but not nearly as wide spread as is commonly thought. I do wonder why there is not more of a photographic record. It seems that after the war the fanatic abolitionists would have been falling all over themselves to get the photographic proof of HOW RIGHT THEY WERE but no you really only ever see that ONE picture.....OVER AND OVER AGAIN and I wonder why that is.

[Appaholic]

We chose to exit a voluntary contract in the same manner that we entered it. Our misfortunes were not self inflicted. All we asked is to be left alone to live out our national destiny. The wounds were received at the hands of those whom were once our brethren. Brothers no more. While the prisons in which we housed our enemy were no Baptist Church Summer Camps we did the best we could to care for them.

Really....Andersonville is the best you could do? No wonder you lost...

Those yankees suffered and they died by the thousands but it was not out of sheer petulance nor was it deliberately enhanced by those in charge. On the other hand we see, through the Lane Resolution, that it was the POLICY of the government of the 'late united states' to mistreat our men they held. How SHAMEFUL is it that EVEN ONE Confederate Soldier died of starvation at Camp Douglas? It was located in THE GODDAMN CITY OF CHICAGO! ONE TRIP TO THE CITY MARKET COULD HAVE CURED THE SCURVY AND DYSENTARY THAT WAS SO RAMPANT AND SUCH A KILLER THERE. AT ELMIRA THE YANKEES CANNOT DENY THEIR CRIMES BECAUSE THEY BUILT A PLATFORM AND CHARGED .10 A HEAD TO "SEE THE JOHNNY REBS" LIKE A FUCKING ZOO.

Sounds like Johnny Reb got what he wanted....

Read these links I am posting and tell me if this isn't disgraceful. It was WANTON. It was CRIMINAL. It was DELIBERATE. It was MURDER on a scale that shocks the senses. Read the truth that is posted below and tell me that I am wrong.

What it was was WAR. A war started when you fired on Fort Sumter. A war celebrated in the streets of the Confederacy when announced. And it was more than they could handle. Be careful what you wish for or you may get it...

But you don't deny the Confederate soldiers were weak little pussyboys who lacked the intestinal fortitude to adapt, improvise & overcome their adversity....reminds me of the schoolyard bully who keeps picking for a fight, gets it, gets ass handed to him on a platter, then complains because he had 'his good shirt (or, more accurately, his good blouse) on and didn't want to mess it up'....what fokking cowards...

[Appaholic]

I guess it didn't exist then.....the biggest scam this side of the so-called "holocaust"....

Of course it existed but not nearly as wide spread as is commonly thought. I do wonder why there is not more of a photographic record. It seems that after the war the fanatic abolitionists would have been falling all over themselves to get the photographic proof of HOW RIGHT THEY WERE but no you really only ever see that ONE picture.....OVER AND OVER AGAIN and I wonder why that is.

Whew...that's a relief to know....I absolve the South and their wonderful economy based upon forced labor...like the Jews working in German munition factories and volunteering to assist in medical research....

[citdog]

We chose to exit a voluntary contract in the same manner that we entered it. Our misfortunes were not self inflicted. All we asked is to be left alone to live out our national destiny. The wounds were received at the hands of those whom were once our brethren. Brothers no more. While the prisons in which we housed our enemy were no Baptist Church Summer Camps we did the best we could to care for them.

Really....Andersonville is the best you could do? No wonder you lost...

Those yankees suffered and they died by the thousands but it was not out of sheer petulance nor was it deliberately enhanced by those in charge. On the other hand we see, through the Lane Resolution, that it was the POLICY of the government of the 'late united states' to mistreat our men they held. How SHAMEFUL is it that EVEN ONE Confederate Soldier died of starvation at Camp Douglas? It was located in THE GODDAMN CITY OF CHICAGO! ONE TRIP TO THE CITY MARKET COULD HAVE CURED THE SCURVY AND DYSENTARY THAT WAS SO RAMPANT AND SUCH A KILLER THERE. AT ELMIRA THE YANKEES CANNOT DENY THEIR CRIMES BECAUSE THEY BUILT A PLATFORM AND CHARGED .10 A HEAD TO "SEE THE JOHNNY REBS" LIKE A FUCKING ZOO.

Sounds like Johnny Reb got what he wanted....

Read these links I am posting and tell me if this isn't disgraceful. It was WANTON. It was CRIMINAL. It was DELIBERATE. It was MURDER on a scale that shocks the senses. Read the truth that is posted below and tell me that I am wrong.

What it was was WAR. A war started when you fired on Fort Sumter. A war celebrated in the streets of the Confederacy when announced. And it was more than they could handle. Be careful what you wish for or you may get it...

But you don't deny the Confederate soldiers were weak little pussyboys who lacked the intestinal fortitude to adapt, improvise & overcome their adversity....reminds me of the schoolyard bully who keeps picking for a fight, gets it, gets ass handed to him on a platter, then complains because he had 'his good shirt (or, more accurately, his good blouse) on and didn't want to mess it up'....what fokking cowards...

The war started with the invasion of the sacred soil of the Confederacy and did not end until the CSS Shenandoah surrendered on 6 November 1865. Fort Sumter was simply the expelling of a foreign power from a fort that commanded the channel to a SOVEREIGN NATION'S PRINCIPAL HARBOR.

I came across this story in one of the yankee officers memoirs but I forget which. During a flag of truce this yankee went into our lines upon some errand and commented to the Confederate Major who escorted him to headquarters something to the effect of "you rebels are dressed like ragamuffins and are in rags. our men are SPLENDIDLY attired." The Confederate Major replied "Sir Southern Men generally have only two sets of clothing and it doesn't behoove a gentleman to wear his best suit to butcher hogs". I always liked that one!