Confederate Battle Flag Poll

[Ibanez]

Seal of Texas.

It's the reverse.

[Ibanez]

[Skjellyfetti]

So, you are ok with official flags of state of a country that wished to enslave people, but heaven forbid someone flies the CSA Naval Jack? That's a bit hypocritical, is it not?

Again, I'm not against flying the Confederate flag because of its history in the 1860s - more so its history in the 1950s and 1960s.

Like you:

It was hijacked and used to intimidate and spread fear. It should be retired.

[dbackjon]

No Stars and Bars either, since it is the flag of traitors, and the United States never granted them independence. So from 1861-1865, the US Flag was STILL the Flag of Texas, Georgia and the rest of the traitorous states.



If you want to put a white flag in there, go ahead. That can represent your traitordom.

[Skjellyfetti]

I don't have much of a problem with the "Coat of Arms" of Alabama. I grew up there and don's recall ever seeing that. When is it used? If it was in a prominent place (and, flying on the grounds of a capitol building is a prominent place, for example) then I'd have a problem with it. But, as it is - I don't really give a shit about the "Coat of Arms" of Alabama.

The Texas "reverse" side seal I have no problem with - again, it seems to be a version of the Stars and Bars. I've never seen one with a star in the center of the circle of stars - I guess it is supposed to represent Texas. Even more reason not to have a problem with it. That flag is pretty fucking rare.

It does not have the same history as the Naval Jack.

[dbackjon]

I don't have much of a problem with the "Coat of Arms" of Alabama. I grew up there and don's recall ever seeing that. When is it used? If it was in a prominent place (and, flying on the grounds of a capitol building is a prominent place, for example) then I'd have a problem with it. But, as it is - I don't really give a shit about the "Coat of Arms" of Alabama.

The Texas "reverse" side seal I have no problem with - again, it seems to be a version of the Stars and Bars. I've never seen one with a star in the center of the circle of stars - I guess it is supposed to represent Texas. Even more reason not to have a problem with it. That flag is pretty fucking rare.

It does not have the same history as the Naval Jack.

On Highway Patrol cars



THAT has to be comforting to blacks pulled over in Alabama.

It should be removed from there as well. And the US Shield should cover most of everything else. Damn traitors.

[ASUG8]

People around the country who didn't give two shits about this a month ago are suddenly developing a media-driven conscience. I have no love for the battle flag and have thought it was pretty redneck to display it, but I'm Southern so I'm assumed to be some violent Klucker even though I have ancestors who fought for the Union.

In the meantime, the media is pulling out all the stops to make sure that any and every injustice inflicted by a white person on a black person (real or otherwise) makes front page news. If any gains were made since the Johnson administration with regard to race relations, they've been solidly reversed in the last several years.

The flag is down, and next we'll take down any reference to any street name, statue, memorial that even remotely refers to the confederacy. We'll rename Washington State and DC, demolish the Jefferson Memorial, and take down the obelisk on the National Mall.

[dbackjon]

People around the country who didn't give two shits about this a month ago are suddenly developing a media-driven conscience. I have no love for the battle flag and have thought it was pretty redneck to display it, but I'm Southern so I'm assumed to be some violent Klucker even though I have ancestors who fought for the Union.

In the meantime, the media is pulling out all the stops to make sure that any and every injustice inflicted by a white person on a black person (real or otherwise) makes front page news. If any gains were made since the Johnson administration with regard to race relations, they've been solidly reversed in the last several years.

The flag is down, and next we'll take down any reference to any street name, statue, memorial that even remotely refers to the confederacy. We'll rename Washington State and DC, demolish the Jefferson Memorial, and take down the obelisk on the National Mall.

I didn't realize Washington and Jefferson were alive during the Rebellion of Traitors

What you are seeing is two-fold - the election of Barack Obama has brought the racist crazies out from the woodwork, and secondly, America is hopefully waking up to the fact that despite the gains, we still have a long way to go in regards to race, and that blacks still face a great deal of discrimination, and they are tired of it.

[ASUG8]

People around the country who didn't give two shits about this a month ago are suddenly developing a media-driven conscience. I have no love for the battle flag and have thought it was pretty redneck to display it, but I'm Southern so I'm assumed to be some violent Klucker even though I have ancestors who fought for the Union.

In the meantime, the media is pulling out all the stops to make sure that any and every injustice inflicted by a white person on a black person (real or otherwise) makes front page news. If any gains were made since the Johnson administration with regard to race relations, they've been solidly reversed in the last several years.

The flag is down, and next we'll take down any reference to any street name, statue, memorial that even remotely refers to the confederacy. We'll rename Washington State and DC, demolish the Jefferson Memorial, and take down the obelisk on the National Mall.

I didn't realize Washington and Jefferson were alive during the Rebellion of Traitors

What you are seeing is two-fold - the election of Barack Obama has brought the racist crazies out from the woodwork, and secondly, America is hopefully waking up to the fact that despite the gains, we still have a long way to go in regards to race, and that blacks still face a great deal of discrimination, and they are tired of it.

They held slaves jon. Anyone pro-slavery can't be let off the hook, and the buildup of the historical holding of slaves by anyone and everyone leading up to the war are what eventually caused the North and South to face off, right? I'm certain blacks were pretty unhappy about it in the 1700's just like they were as the 1860's approached, from generations of being bought and sold.

I don't doubt that blacks are discriminated against, but I also think that in many cases they have better options than white males these days. No question that the PC drive for diversity in colleges, workplaces, etc. discriminates against not only whites, but Asians, Hispanics, etc. Political correctness has run amok. Deserving people regardless of race or ethnicity should be the ones accepted or hired, but that sword cuts both ways.

[OL FU]

I wonder if dback is so adamant about the traitor thing because he really gives a shit or if he knows it just gets under some people's skin

[Skjellyfetti]

The difference is that no one held up Washington, Jefferson, or other slaveowners as symbols of a segregated South in the 1960s.

The Confederate flag was directly used to taunt blacks - and remind blacks fighting for desegregation where their place in society was.

Again, the problem with the Confederate flag isn't its history in the 1860s - its the history in the 1960s.

[Baldy]

I wonder if dback is so adamant about the traitor thing because he really gives a shit or if he knows it just gets under some people's skin

dback is a good troll. He deserves props for trying even though nobody is biting.

[kalm]

I wonder if dback is so adamant about the traitor thing because he really gives a shit or if he knows it just gets under some people's skin

dback is a good troll. He deserves props for trying even though nobody is biting.

[ASUG8]

I wonder if dback is so adamant about the traitor thing because he really gives a shit or if he knows it just gets under some people's skin

He complained on here until gay marriage became law, now he's trolling about this.

[ASUG8]

The difference is that no one held up Washington, Jefferson, or other slaveowners as symbols of a segregated South in the 1960s.

The Confederate flag was directly used to taunt blacks - and remind blacks fighting for desegregation where their place in society was.

Again, the problem with the Confederate flag isn't its history in the 1860s - its the history in the 1960s.

Most of the complaints I've heard don't really address injustices of the 1960's, but rather that someone's white ancestors owned someone else's ancestors 200 years ago and they need to get paid for that somehow today.

[Ibanez]

People around the country who didn't give two shits about this a month ago are suddenly developing a media-driven conscience. I have no love for the battle flag and have thought it was pretty redneck to display it, but I'm Southern so I'm assumed to be some violent Klucker even though I have ancestors who fought for the Union.

In the meantime, the media is pulling out all the stops to make sure that any and every injustice inflicted by a white person on a black person (real or otherwise) makes front page news. If any gains were made since the Johnson administration with regard to race relations, they've been solidly reversed in the last several years.

The flag is down, and next we'll take down any reference to any street name, statue, memorial that even remotely refers to the confederacy. We'll rename Washington State and DC, demolish the Jefferson Memorial, and take down the obelisk on the National Mall.

I didn't realize Washington and Jefferson were alive during the Rebellion of Traitors

What you are seeing is two-fold - the election of Barack Obama has brought the racist crazies out from the woodwork, and secondly, America is hopefully waking up to the fact that despite the gains, we still have a long way to go in regards to race, and that blacks still face a great deal of discrimination, and they are tired of it.

.

God, sometimes you really show your ass.

1) Washington and Jefferson we're slave owning traitors. The only reason you give them a pass Is because they won. And that's a direct quote from you.

[Ibanez]

No Stars and Bars either, since it is the flag of traitors, and the United States never granted them independence. So from 1861-1865, the US Flag was STILL the Flag of Texas, Georgia and the rest of the traitorous states.



If you want to put a white flag in there, go ahead. That can represent your traitordom.

The Stars and Stripes represent a nation built on treason. You seem to ignore that fact. The flag also continues to dehumanize people long after the 4 yr existence of the CSA.


But, they won in 1783 so it's all good. A bunch of white guys didn't want to pay their taxes, fought and won. But hey, they won.

[dbackjon]

I didn't realize Washington and Jefferson were alive during the Rebellion of Traitors

What you are seeing is two-fold - the election of Barack Obama has brought the racist crazies out from the woodwork, and secondly, America is hopefully waking up to the fact that despite the gains, we still have a long way to go in regards to race, and that blacks still face a great deal of discrimination, and they are tired of it.

They held slaves jon. Anyone pro-slavery can't be let off the hook, and the buildup of the historical holding of slaves by anyone and everyone leading up to the war are what eventually caused the North and South to face off, right? I'm certain blacks were pretty unhappy about it in the 1700's just like they were as the 1860's approached, from generations of being bought and sold.

I don't doubt that blacks are discriminated against, but I also think that in many cases they have better options than white males these days. No question that the PC drive for diversity in colleges, workplaces, etc. discriminates against not only whites, but Asians, Hispanics, etc. Political correctness has run amok. Deserving people regardless of race or ethnicity should be the ones accepted or hired, but that sword cuts both ways.

If you think blacks have it better overall than whites, you really need to get out more. Yes, there are opportunities available for blacks than are not as easy for whites, but overall, they fare much worse.

[dbackjon]

I wonder if dback is so adamant about the traitor thing because he really gives a shit or if he knows it just gets under some people's skin

I post, you decide


I don't understand the glorification of a lost cause, a cause that existed solely to enslave other humans. The confederacy is nothing to be proud of. Southerners can be proud of other unique things to the South, but the confederacy is something that should be scorned, not romanticized.

[dbackjon]

I wonder if dback is so adamant about the traitor thing because he really gives a shit or if he knows it just gets under some people's skin

dback is a good troll. He deserves props for trying even though nobody is biting.

No one is biting?

[dbackjon]

I wonder if dback is so adamant about the traitor thing because he really gives a shit or if he knows it just gets under some people's skin

He complained on here until gay marriage became law, now he's trolling about this.

and 89 said I was a one issue voter

[dbackjon]

I didn't realize Washington and Jefferson were alive during the Rebellion of Traitors

What you are seeing is two-fold - the election of Barack Obama has brought the racist crazies out from the woodwork, and secondly, America is hopefully waking up to the fact that despite the gains, we still have a long way to go in regards to race, and that blacks still face a great deal of discrimination, and they are tired of it.

.

God, sometimes you really show your ass.

1) Washington and Jefferson we're slave owning traitors. The only reason you give them a pass Is because they won. And that's a direct quote from you.

Yes they owned slaves. But no one is celebrating them for that. Yes, they won. That alone sets them apart from the southern losers.

I have no problem honoring someone like Robert E. Lee for his contributions to the United States.

[dbackjon]

No Stars and Bars either, since it is the flag of traitors, and the United States never granted them independence. So from 1861-1865, the US Flag was STILL the Flag of Texas, Georgia and the rest of the traitorous states.



If you want to put a white flag in there, go ahead. That can represent your traitordom.

The Stars and Stripes represent a nation built on treason. You seem to ignore that fact. The flag also continues to dehumanize people long after the 4 yr existence of the CSA.


But, they won in 1783 so it's all good. A bunch of white guys didn't want to pay their taxes, fought and won. But hey, they won.

[ASUG8]

They held slaves jon. Anyone pro-slavery can't be let off the hook, and the buildup of the historical holding of slaves by anyone and everyone leading up to the war are what eventually caused the North and South to face off, right? I'm certain blacks were pretty unhappy about it in the 1700's just like they were as the 1860's approached, from generations of being bought and sold.

I don't doubt that blacks are discriminated against, but I also think that in many cases they have better options than white males these days. No question that the PC drive for diversity in colleges, workplaces, etc. discriminates against not only whites, but Asians, Hispanics, etc. Political correctness has run amok. Deserving people regardless of race or ethnicity should be the ones accepted or hired, but that sword cuts both ways.

If you think blacks have it better overall than whites, you really need to get out more. Yes, there are opportunities available for blacks than are not as easy for whites, but overall, they fare much worse.

You just repeated me.

[Grizalltheway]

There's an important difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome.

*hands over liberal card*