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SDHornet wrote: Yup...and then watching whoever comes out "on top" trying to walk it all back to appeal to the average folk for the general against Trump will be even more fun to watch. :rofl:
What they've got going for them is that most people want Trump out. Like I said there is a strong "anybody but Trump" sentiment in the population.

Also, I think the general population might be farther to the left than some may think. The default majority position is support for "Medicare for all." You can ask questions in different ways to get different results but the big picture is the majority support it. A majority likes the idea of soaking the rich with taxes. I don't like it personally but a majority does. When it comes to the big issue behind the Judiciary battles an overwhelming majority does not want to see Roe vs. Wade overturned. A solid majority wants stricter gun control. So on and so forth.

And, yes, I did check polling results before I said those things but I decided to be merciful and not discuss them this time. The Republicans are swimming upstream when it comes to the big issues of the day. I'm not saying I THINK it should be that way. But it's that way.
But somehow they always win. They are great at rigging the system. Conservative judges are everywhere now. I'm just waiting for a mis-step that is so big.....so in-your-face/anti-democracy/anti-American that it makes the populace gasp. That moment WILL happen because Republicans will push the envelope to the extreme in order to retain power. :nod:

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Booker is in the hunt....
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Ibanez wrote:Booker is in the hunt....
Endless loop of “I am Spartacus”....he has no shot
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JohnStOnge wrote:
SDHornet wrote: Yup...and then watching whoever comes out "on top" trying to walk it all back to appeal to the average folk for the general against Trump will be even more fun to watch. :rofl:
What they've got going for them is that most people want Trump out. Like I said there is a strong "anybody but Trump" sentiment in the population.

Also, I think the general population might be farther to the left than some may think. The default majority position is support for "Medicare for all." You can ask questions in different ways to get different results but the big picture is the majority support it. A majority likes the idea of soaking the rich with taxes. I don't like it personally but a majority does. When it comes to the big issue behind the Judiciary battles an overwhelming majority does not want to see Roe vs. Wade overturned. A solid majority wants stricter gun control. So on and so forth.

And, yes, I did check polling results before I said those things but I decided to be merciful and not discuss them this time. The Republicans are swimming upstream when it comes to the big issues of the day. I'm not saying I THINK it should be that way. But it's that way.
All those things poll great, that is, until you get into the nitty gritty of how to pay for any of those things and how they actually work in practice. Abstractly, all those things sound great - free everything for everybody. Why wouldn't that poll well? The problems come when the promises can't be delivered. :coffee:
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Ibanez wrote:Booker is in the hunt....
Endless loop of “I am Spartacus”....he has no shot
His only accomplishment is being an outrage transmitter
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Steve Bullock is about to declare

He’s a Dem I could vote for

But he doesn’t check the racial/gender purity box so I doubt I’ll get the chance

It is looking more and more like it will be a Colander Head 2020
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Ilhan Omar in an interview yesterday says she thinks we should tax the rich up to 70, 80, 90%. :lol:

How proud you Dems must be of your party and it's new face. :rofl:
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SDHornet wrote: Also, I think the general population might be farther to the left than some may think. The default majority position is support for "Medicare for all." You can ask questions in different ways to get different results but the big picture is the majority support it. A majority likes the idea of soaking the rich with taxes. I don't like it personally but a majority does. When it comes to the big issue behind the Judiciary battles an overwhelming majority does not want to see Roe vs. Wade overturned. A solid majority wants stricter gun control. So on and so forth.

And, yes, I did check polling results before I said those things but I decided to be merciful and not discuss them this time. The Republicans are swimming upstream when it comes to the big issues of the day. I'm not saying I THINK it should be that way. But it's that way.
Another "no shit, Sherlock" post from JSO. The majority don't fucking pay federal taxes, so of course they support free shit provided by the federal government. And of course they support soaking the rich to pay for that "free" shit. As a wise woman once said, the problem with this philosophy is that "eventually you run out of other peoples' money"...
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89Hen wrote:Ilhan Omar in an interview yesterday says she thinks we should tax the rich up to 70, 80, 90%. :lol:

How proud you Dems must be of your party and it's new face. :rofl:
Almost as proud as you are of your party and its (orange) face. :jack:
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Grizalltheway wrote:
89Hen wrote:Ilhan Omar in an interview yesterday says she thinks we should tax the rich up to 70, 80, 90%. :lol:

How proud you Dems must be of your party and it's new face. :rofl:
Almost as proud as you are of your party and its (orange) face. :jack:
I doubt that. You probably love her. And do you really aspire to race to the bottom? :lol:
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89Hen wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote: Almost as proud as you are of your party and its (orange) face. :jack:
I doubt that. You probably love her. And do you really aspire to race to the bottom? :lol:
No, I'm just saying both parties have completely jumped the shark at this point.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
89Hen wrote: I doubt that. You probably love her. And do you really aspire to race to the bottom? :lol:
No, I'm just saying both parties have completely jumped the shark at this point.
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Grizalltheway wrote: No, I'm just saying both parties have completely jumped the shark at this point.
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89Hen wrote:Ilhan Omar in an interview yesterday says she thinks we should tax the rich up to 70, 80, 90%. :lol:

How proud you Dems must be of your party and it's new face. :rofl:
Ah, the Saracen contingent of the Donk party has weighed in. A proud alum of NDSU.
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mainejeff wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
What they've got going for them is that most people want Trump out. Like I said there is a strong "anybody but Trump" sentiment in the population.

Also, I think the general population might be farther to the left than some may think. The default majority position is support for "Medicare for all." You can ask questions in different ways to get different results but the big picture is the majority support it. A majority likes the idea of soaking the rich with taxes. I don't like it personally but a majority does. When it comes to the big issue behind the Judiciary battles an overwhelming majority does not want to see Roe vs. Wade overturned. A solid majority wants stricter gun control. So on and so forth.

And, yes, I did check polling results before I said those things but I decided to be merciful and not discuss them this time. The Republicans are swimming upstream when it comes to the big issues of the day. I'm not saying I THINK it should be that way. But it's that way.
But somehow they always win. They are great at rigging the system. Conservative judges are everywhere now. I'm just waiting for a mis-step that is so big.....so in-your-face/anti-democracy/anti-American that it makes the populace gasp. That moment WILL happen because Republicans will push the envelope to the extreme in order to retain power. :nod:

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They do not always win. We just had an illustration of that in the mid term House elections. And, BTW, even though it was a good Senate election for Republicans because they flipped some seats the Democrats still won 22 of the 33 Senate races. And they had a large edge in the overall popular vote.

We're in a transitional period. If things keep going the way they are going trend wise the Democrats are going to achieve dominance.
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Pwns wrote:So is Schultz going to be the Bloomberg Republican and be strong pro-business, pro Wall Street while being pro gun control, pro immigration, and pro abortion? That's about the worst thing you could possibly be in presidential politics right now. That'll sell about as well as Coexist bumper stickers in no-go areas of London.
So, regarding this:

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:lol:

The sad thing is that if we end up with Trump versus a whackadoodle donk I might have to vote for him. :ohno:
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Pwns wrote:
Pwns wrote:So is Schultz going to be the Bloomberg Republican and be strong pro-business, pro Wall Street while being pro gun control, pro immigration, and pro abortion? That's about the worst thing you could possibly be in presidential politics right now. That'll sell about as well as Coexist bumper stickers in no-go areas of London.
So, regarding this:

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:lol:

The sad thing is that if we end up with Trump versus a whackadoodle donk I might have to vote for him. :ohno:
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I saw his interview on 60 minutes. There’s NO way I could vote for him. I’ll be voting independent/libertarian again.
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Here’s what “progressives” are saying...Why the centrist extremists are an incredibly dangerous political animal...

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019 ... 20Democrat
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Col Hogan wrote:Here’s what “progressives” are saying...Why the centrist extremists are an incredibly dangerous political animal...

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019 ... 20Democrat
“Centrist extremists” is a misnomer. They are not extreme in the least. They just feel the best chance to win elections lies in preserving the economic status quo through election financing. That makes them moderate conservatives, a declining species which we used to refer to as “Republicans”.

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Pwns wrote:
Pwns wrote:So is Schultz going to be the Bloomberg Republican and be strong pro-business, pro Wall Street while being pro gun control, pro immigration, and pro abortion? That's about the worst thing you could possibly be in presidential politics right now. That'll sell about as well as Coexist bumper stickers in no-go areas of London.
So, regarding this:

Image

:lol:

The sad thing is that if we end up with Trump versus a whackadoodle donk I might have to vote for him. :ohno:
Plan on voting for the Donald as their are no non-wackadoodle Dem candidates. This field makes Hillary look good.


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kalm wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:Here’s what “progressives” are saying...Why the centrist extremists are an incredibly dangerous political animal...

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019 ... 20Democrat
“Centrist extremists” is a misnomer. They are not extreme in the least. They just feel the best chance to win elections lies in preserving the economic status quo through election financing. That makes them moderate conservatives, a declining species which we used to refer to as “Republicans”.

:coffee:
Tell that to the wack-a-doodles at Common Dreams...

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Col Hogan wrote:
kalm wrote:
“Centrist extremists” is a misnomer. They are not extreme in the least. They just feel the best chance to win elections lies in preserving the economic status quo through election financing. That makes them moderate conservatives, a declining species which we used to refer to as “Republicans”.

:coffee:
Tell that to the wack-a-doodles at Common Dreams...

:coffee:
It’s an aggregate news site that posts from multiple sources. But then you knew that seeing as how you follow.

Here’s a hint...there are many liberals who don’t see eye to eye with the establishment on the basis of being anti-crony capitalism. Just like there are some principled libertarian leaning conservatives who feel the same about the Republican Party.

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mainejeff wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
What they've got going for them is that most people want Trump out. Like I said there is a strong "anybody but Trump" sentiment in the population.

Also, I think the general population might be farther to the left than some may think. The default majority position is support for "Medicare for all." You can ask questions in different ways to get different results but the big picture is the majority support it. A majority likes the idea of soaking the rich with taxes. I don't like it personally but a majority does. When it comes to the big issue behind the Judiciary battles an overwhelming majority does not want to see Roe vs. Wade overturned. A solid majority wants stricter gun control. So on and so forth.

And, yes, I did check polling results before I said those things but I decided to be merciful and not discuss them this time. The Republicans are swimming upstream when it comes to the big issues of the day. I'm not saying I THINK it should be that way. But it's that way.
But somehow they always win. They are great at rigging the system. Conservative judges are everywhere now. I'm just waiting for a mis-step that is so big.....so in-your-face/anti-democracy/anti-American that it makes the populace gasp. That moment WILL happen because Republicans will push the envelope to the extreme in order to retain power. :nod:

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