The Trump Whistleblower Extravaganza Thread

[JohnStOnge]

Looking forward to it. All that's been happening is that the Whistleblower report has been being validated. I look forward to your argument as to why you think that is not true. Because it IS true.

No it's not, infinity.

Good deal. Go for it when you are ready.

[BDKJMU]

It seems the intelligence community just last month secretly nixed the requirement that whistleblowers must have direct knowledge of wrongdoing before they can file a complaint. Now, hearsay evidence is permitted.

This must be a coincidence. The timing isn't suspect at all and we know the intelligence community would never work with establishment members of Congress to undermine a POTUS.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/in ... knowledge/

The problem for those of you that want to go down that road is that the complaint is totally consistent with the memo with notes on the conversation. So you can say it was "hearsay" but the "hearsay" is seen to be accurate. The complaint's claim that the memo was unusually placed into a higher security storage system has also been shown to be true. It's kind of hard to attack the "hearsay" thing when stuff keeps coming out to validate the complaint.

What the intelligence community might do, BTW, is let those of us that are blind to it at this point know that we have a complete nut job atrocity who is doing all sorts of unacceptable things as President right now. Or at least they can try.

There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents a POTUS from calling his counterpart in Ukraine to congratulate him.
There is also nothing that prohibits him discussing the need to investigate someone
who stands credibly accused of serious misconduct, regardless of whether his dad is running for president.

And of course it was placed into higher security. The WH has been proven to be filled with leakers and snitches. This leaker is just the latest.

[SeattleGriz]

No it's not, infinity.

Good deal. Go for it when you are ready.

Oh, I will!

You're going to cry more, when I am done with you.

[houndawg]

Looking forward to it. All that's been happening is that the Whistleblower report has been being validated. I look forward to your argument as to why you think that is not true. Because it IS true.

No it's not, infinity.

Trump's DNI says the whistleblower did the right thing.

[houndawg]

The problem for those of you that want to go down that road is that the complaint is totally consistent with the memo with notes on the conversation. So you can say it was "hearsay" but the "hearsay" is seen to be accurate. The complaint's claim that the memo was unusually placed into a higher security storage system has also been shown to be true. It's kind of hard to attack the "hearsay" thing when stuff keeps coming out to validate the complaint.

What the intelligence community might do, BTW, is let those of us that are blind to it at this point know that we have a complete nut job atrocity who is doing all sorts of unacceptable things as President right now. Or at least they can try.

There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents a POTUS from calling his counterpart in Ukraine to congratulate him.
There is also nothing that prohibits him discussing the need to investigate someone
who stands credibly accused of serious misconduct, regardless of whether his dad is running for president.

And of course it was placed into higher security. The WH has been proven to be filled with leakers and snitches. This leaker is just the latest.

Amen brother! I want to see the law that specifically prohibits shaking down a foreign leader for money that Congress already approved. That's just good bidniz, and, at long last, we got us a bidnizman in charge, running the country like a bidniz!

[houndawg]

Still some damned fine looking toast tho.

Toast like that is good for one thing only. Dripping with butter to mop runny eggs up with.

Fresh runny eggs with yolks the same color as the President's face, laid by non-GMO fed chickens....it beautiful man...

[CitadelGrad]

It seems the intelligence community just last month secretly nixed the requirement that whistleblowers must have direct knowledge of wrongdoing before they can file a complaint. Now, hearsay evidence is permitted.

This must be a coincidence. The timing isn't suspect at all and we know the intelligence community would never work with establishment members of Congress to undermine a POTUS.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/in ... knowledge/

The problem for those of you that want to go down that road is that the complaint is totally consistent with the memo with notes on the conversation. So you can say it was "hearsay" but the "hearsay" is seen to be accurate. The complaint's claim that the memo was unusually placed into a higher security storage system has also been shown to be true. It's kind of hard to attack the "hearsay" thing when stuff keeps coming out to validate the complaint.

What the intelligence community might do, BTW, is let those of us that are blind to it at this point know that we have a complete nut job atrocity who is doing all sorts of unacceptable things as President right now. Or at least they can try.

I'm not sure what has been proven accurate. Two of the people who the leaker identified as being present for the call were not even there and had no knowledge of the details of the call.

[SeattleGriz]

No it's not, infinity.

Trump's DNI says the whistleblower did the right thing.

What did you expect him to say? Of course he was going to say that. Interesting that we see the whistleblower process quietly changed to allow hearsay.

[SeattleGriz]

It seems the intelligence community just last month secretly nixed the requirement that whistleblowers must have direct knowledge of wrongdoing before they can file a complaint. Now, hearsay evidence is permitted.

This must be a coincidence. The timing isn't suspect at all and we know the intelligence community would never work with establishment members of Congress to undermine a POTUS.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/in ... knowledge/

The problem for those of you that want to go down that road is that the complaint is totally consistent with the memo with notes on the conversation. So you can say it was "hearsay" but the "hearsay" is seen to be accurate. The complaint's claim that the memo was unusually placed into a higher security storage system has also been shown to be true. It's kind of hard to attack the "hearsay" thing when stuff keeps coming out to validate the complaint.

What the intelligence community might do, BTW, is let those of us that are blind to it at this point know that we have a complete nut job atrocity who is doing all sorts of unacceptable things as President right now. Or at least they can try.

When did they move to the memo to the secure server? Is that the only conversation that has been moved there?

[css75]

The Dems are going to get crushed at election time. The house has done nothing but fishing expeditions.


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[SeattleGriz]

The "but Hillary" thing is entirely incorrect. Hillary gave money to other nations to get dirt on Trump (and maybe even Biden if the rumors are true). Trump just asked for it with the power of the office behind him. Both wrong and illegal, but different.

Hillary did not give money to other nations to get dirt on Trump or anybody else. Assuming it's what you are talking about, the Democrat Party paying a private entity (Fusion GPS) for opposition research is not paying a foreign country for opposition research. Fusion GPS had a former British intelligence professional working for it. That former British intelligence professional talked to people from various nations while gathering information. But that does not mean the Democrat Party in general or Hillary in particular paid other nations to get dirt on Trump.

Also, note that the Clinton campaign did not use any of the information in the Steele Dossier.

This crap of acting like Hillary, the Democrats, or anybody else has done crap like Trump and his people have done or are doing is nonsense.

No she didn't give it directly, she funneled it through her network as the Washington Post spells out. She damn well knew what was going on. Essentially paying Steele to ask the Russians for dirt.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html

The Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee helped fund research that resulted in a now-famous dossier containing allegations about President Trump's connections to Russia and possible coordination between his campaign and the Kremlin, people familiar with the matter said.

[Winterborn]

And WHOOSH! The irony goes right over the head of another Trump supporter. We need dignity from our politicians!

BTW, there's a difference between parody and making something up out of whole cloth.

Um yeah

Dignity in American politics left the building with Elvis long ago

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... sis-228580


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I like the term "Fucknutsville"!


And good article CID.

[houndawg]

Trump's DNI says the whistleblower did the right thing.

What did you expect him to say? Of course he was going to say that. Interesting that we see the whistleblower process quietly changed to allow hearsay.

You mean like Linda Tripp?

[houndawg]

The problem for those of you that want to go down that road is that the complaint is totally consistent with the memo with notes on the conversation. So you can say it was "hearsay" but the "hearsay" is seen to be accurate. The complaint's claim that the memo was unusually placed into a higher security storage system has also been shown to be true. It's kind of hard to attack the "hearsay" thing when stuff keeps coming out to validate the complaint.

What the intelligence community might do, BTW, is let those of us that are blind to it at this point know that we have a complete nut job atrocity who is doing all sorts of unacceptable things as President right now. Or at least they can try.

I'm not sure what has been proven accurate. Two of the people who the leaker identified as being present for the call were not even there and had no knowledge of the details of the call.

When was the last time an innocent man threatened a whistle blower with death?

[BDKJMU]

I'm not sure what has been proven accurate. Two of the people who the leaker identified as being present for the call were not even there and had no knowledge of the details of the call.

When was the last time an innocent man threatened a whistle blower with death?

I heard an innocent man threaten a leaking snitch..

[kalm]

When was the last time an innocent man threatened a whistle blower with death?

I heard an innocent man threaten a leaking snitch..

Do innocent men use the term "snitch".

[SeattleGriz]

I heard an innocent man threaten a leaking snitch..

Do innocent men use the term "snitch".

They do when it involves those who work in the information that are violating their duties.

[Pwns]

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/m ... ll-over-it

Bill Maher: "If Don Jr did it Rachel Maddow would be all over it."

[kalm]

Do innocent men use the term "snitch".

They do when it involves those who work in the information that are violating their duties.

Innocent men do not worry about snitches.

[SeattleGriz]

They do when it involves those who work in the information that are violating their duties.

Innocent men do not worry about snitches.

When they damage the reputation of our intelligence services and make it so other World leaders cannot have frank discussions, then yes it does.

This whistleblower is affecting our government and it's ability to get work done.

[SeattleGriz]

What did you expect him to say? Of course he was going to say that. Interesting that we see the whistleblower process quietly changed to allow hearsay.

You mean like Linda Tripp?

Are recorded conversations hearsay?

[JohnStOnge]

The problem for those of you that want to go down that road is that the complaint is totally consistent with the memo with notes on the conversation. So you can say it was "hearsay" but the "hearsay" is seen to be accurate. The complaint's claim that the memo was unusually placed into a higher security storage system has also been shown to be true. It's kind of hard to attack the "hearsay" thing when stuff keeps coming out to validate the complaint.

What the intelligence community might do, BTW, is let those of us that are blind to it at this point know that we have a complete nut job atrocity who is doing all sorts of unacceptable things as President right now. Or at least they can try.

I'm not sure what has been proven accurate. Two of the people who the leaker identified as being present for the call were not even there and had no knowledge of the details of the call.

I am not saying that's not true because I'm sure you must have seen some source for the information. However, I think it would be good if you share it. I say that because I only see one person, T. Ulrich Brechbuhl, specifically identified as having listened to the call in the public version of the Whistle Blower complaint.

Maybe identifications like that are in there and I just don't see them. If you see them and can tell me where they are let me know. See https://time.com/5687640/read-trump-whi ... complaint/ for the public version of the complaint.

In any case, the biggest takeaway is that the complaint said Trump had a call with Zelenskyy and pressured Zelenskyy to "initiate or continue an investigation(2) into the activities of former Vice President Joseph Biden and his son, Hunter Biden." Any intellectually honest person who looks at that memo of conversation the White House released will conceded that is true.

The next biggest takeaway is that the complaint said "multiple U.S. officials that senior White House officials had intervened to 'lock down' all records of the phone call, especially the official word-for-word transcript of the call that was produced" and that is also true except that it is not a word for word transcript.

What's going on with people on the right at this time is really bad. Just complete denial of reality.

[JohnStOnge]

You mean like Linda Tripp?

Are recorded conversations hearsay?

The memo of telephone conversation we've all seen isn't hearsay either and if one is intellectually honest one will conclude that Trump was indeed pressuring the Ukraine President to go after Biden. Also pressured him to pursue that whack job conspiracy theory about the missing DNC server and the Democrats conspiring with the Ukraines to frame the Russians as doing it.

The problem is that intellectual honesty is in very short supply among Republicans right now.

[JohnStOnge]

Two of the people who the leaker identified as being present for the call were not even there and had no knowledge of the details of the call.

All other things aside, the person who made the complaint is not a leaker. The person went through the legal process provided for making the Congress of the United States aware of their concern. Had the person gone to the Washington Post that would be leaking. Going through the legal process for expressing concern to Congress based on what the person was being told by White House officials is not leaking.

[kalm]

Innocent men do not worry about snitches.

When they damage the reputation of our intelligence services and make it so other World leaders cannot have frank discussions, then yes it does.

This whistleblower is affecting our government and it's ability to get work done.

Snitching implies whistleblowing on something illegal.