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JohnStOnge wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: No. You are wrong. Obama was an economic nightmare and you are in his camp. Don't tell me that you understand anything about the economy and it's affect on people. You are living in your isolated world and have no idea what's going on in America. Obama failed millions of Americans. And that is why Trump won. Period.
In other words, just ignore the fact that the trend towards increasing wages started in 2014. And ignore the fact that the trend towards decreasing unemployment started in 2010. And just ignore the fact that the current growth cycle started in 2009. And just ignore the fact that after the stock market flattened out for a while it started rising in early 2016. So on and so forth.
You don't listen, do you. The growth was painfully slow under Obama. The Fed tried hard to prop up the economy but could no longer wait. We would be in a horrible recession right now unless action was taken. Trump took action with the tax cuts and de-regulation. And voila, a bridge appeared over the canyon and we were saved.
Investors are keenly in touch with every slight move that might affect the economy. Look at the volume of trading that started as soon as someone other than a Democrat won the election. How do you explain that? It was hope for the future. And the volume continued as more plans were revealed by the Admin. And then the de-regulation began. Then the tax cuts hit. And look at the market. Look at the earnings. Look at the unemployment rate. Look at the participation rate. Look at consumer confidence. Etc.

Hate Trump all you want, but he has boosted this economy. All that while doing the dirty work of fighting back against countries that were fleecing us for years.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: No. You are wrong. Obama was an economic nightmare and you are in his camp. Don't tell me that you understand anything about the economy and it's affect on people. You are living in your isolated world and have no idea what's going on in America. Obama failed millions of Americans. And that is why Trump won. Period.
In other words, just ignore the fact that the trend towards increasing wages started in 2014. And ignore the fact that the trend towards decreasing unemployment started in 2010. And just ignore the fact that the current growth cycle started in 2009. And just ignore the fact that after the stock market flattened out for a while it started rising in early 2016. So on and so forth.

You have let your TDS totally wipe out your thought process.


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CAA Flagship wrote: You don't listen, do you. The growth was painfully slow under Obama.
I listen fine. But I also look at the data. The image below shows what growth did. It was highly variable during around 2010 through late 2015. Then variability decreased and a generally upward trend was established. But the problem with ascribing that upward trend to Trump is that is started in late 2015. It's another example of situation in which, if someone was looking at the historical trends without knowing who was in office when, there is NO way they'd say something happened around the end of 2016 or the beginning of 2017 to change things. What they'd do is peg a decrease in variability to around the end of 2015.

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JohnStOnge wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: You don't listen, do you. The growth was painfully slow under Obama.
I listen fine. But I also look at the data. The image below shows what growth did. It was highly variable during around 2010 through late 2015. Then variability decreased and a generally upward trend was established. But the problem with ascribing that upward trend to Trump is that is started in late 2015. It's another example of situation in which, if someone was looking at the historical trends without knowing who was in office when, there is NO way they'd say something happened around the end of 2016 or the beginning of 2017 to change things. What they'd do is peg a decrease in variability to around the end of 2015.

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Isn’t the end of 2015 the beginning of the election cycle? Any historical correlation between election cycles and the economy’s performance?


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JohnStOnge wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:Wage growth occurs at a certain point in an economic cycle. A point where unemployment is low and participation is high. Once again, JSO points to Obama's performance when he had every economic wind at his back. But the bottom line is the economic recovery under Obama was SO **** SLOW.
I came here just now to post the data I'm about to post but I think that quote is a good take off point. The point I've been trying to make to you guys is that things were starting to take off more before Trump got elected. Earnings increases provide another example of that. I am going to post three images of charts showing real weekly earnings (i.e., inflation adjusted over time). One is for seasonally adjusted quarterly estimates, one if for quarterly estimates not seasonally adjusted, and one if for annual. All three show that real weekly earnings started to rise during mid 2014. If you go to the quarterly estimate charts and use your cursor to see what's going on, you can see that the rise started between the second and third quarter of 2014. There is no way any objective person would look at the data and say the trend towards increasing real earnings started with Trump.

Here are the charts:

At https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q, seasonally adjusted quarterly growth:

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At https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LEU0252881600Q, quarterly growth not seasonally adjusted:

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Again: No intellectually honest person could look at those charts and say that the trend towards rising earnings started with Trump. It was already well-established before he got elected or took office. BTW, if you're wondering, the down dip you see in the seasonally adjusted quarterly chart near the end was the 4th quarter of 2017.
Jesus Mary & Joseph. NOBODY is claiming they're going up because of Trump. We're attempting to correct the #fakenews narrative that THEY'RE NOT GOING UP AT ALL!!!! FFS, is that so difficult to understand? Your #TDS is so fucking bad you attempt to circle EVERY discussion back to a "Trump vs Obama" discussion. THIS AIN'T IT. But, glad to see you finally recognized wages ARE going up, faster than inflation. Took you long enough.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: You don't listen, do you. The growth was painfully slow under Obama.
I listen fine. But I also look at the data. The image below shows what growth did. It was highly variable during around 2010 through late 2015. Then variability decreased and a generally upward trend was established. But the problem with ascribing that upward trend to Trump is that is started in late 2015. It's another example of situation in which, if someone was looking at the historical trends without knowing who was in office when, there is NO way they'd say something happened around the end of 2016 or the beginning of 2017 to change things. What they'd do is peg a decrease in variability to around the end of 2015.

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You're blind if you can't see it. Decreasing in '15. Flat for most of 16...slight increase in 17....spikes upward in '18
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Is there an update on the number of migrants in the caravan that made it across to vote?

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Skjellyfetti wrote:Is there an update on the number of migrants in the caravan that made it across to vote?

Did our troops hold firm at the Battle of the Rio Grande or were they overrun?
This ain't the Alamo pal. Our troops will win. :coffee: :coffee:
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Dow futures up triple digits on mid-term election results.
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93henfan wrote:Dow futures up triple digits on mid-term election results.
Just was looking at that. Hopefully the election being over will remove some of the uncertainty in the market and it will start trading somewhat like normal.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:Is there an update on the number of migrants in the caravan that made it across to vote?

Did our troops hold firm at the Battle of the Rio Grande or were they overrun?
This ain't the Alamo pal. Our troops will win. :coffee: :coffee:
We also thought we'd beat a bunch of Vietnamese farmers...
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Winterborn wrote:
93henfan wrote:Dow futures up triple digits on mid-term election results.
Just was looking at that. Hopefully the election being over will remove some of the uncertainty in the market and it will start trading somewhat like normal.
Very astute, Winterborn. JSO might learn something here.
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Ibanez wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
This ain't the Alamo pal. Our troops will win. :coffee: :coffee:
We also thought we'd beat a bunch of Vietnamese farmers...
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Winterborn wrote:
93henfan wrote:Dow futures up triple digits on mid-term election results.
Just was looking at that. Hopefully the election being over will remove some of the uncertainty in the market and it will start trading somewhat like normal.
Really strange that on top of Dow being up big, so are Treasuries and Mortgage Baked Securities... they usually move inversely, but not today.
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89Hen wrote:
Winterborn wrote:
Just was looking at that. Hopefully the election being over will remove some of the uncertainty in the market and it will start trading somewhat like normal.
Really strange that on top of Dow being up big, so are Treasuries and Mortgage Baked Securities... they usually move inversely, but not today.
They're making a break for it before Maxine Waters takes over. :lol:
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CAA Flagship wrote:
89Hen wrote: Really strange that on top of Dow being up big, so are Treasuries and Mortgage Baked Securities... they usually move inversely, but not today.
They're making a break for it before Maxine Waters takes over. :lol:
Can you blame them? Just being in the same room as her should be considered cruel and unusual punishment.
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Bottom line: Trump did not "save" anything. The economy was doing well and improving before he took office. ISIS was in retreat before he took office. So on and so forth. He like to say he took over a mess. He did not. He came in with one of the easiest situations of any President in my lifetime. Everything was going well.

Now, I was wrong in thinking him getting elected would immediately screw everything up economy wise. But the idea that things were bad then Trump came and now they're good is utter nonsense.
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JohnStOnge wrote:Bottom line: Trump did not "save" anything. The economy was doing well and improving before he took office. ISIS was in retreat before he took office. So on and so forth. He like to say he took over a mess. He did not. He came in with one of the easiest situations of any President in my lifetime. Everything was going well.

Now, I was wrong in thinking him getting elected would immediately screw everything up economy wise. But the idea that things were bad then Trump came and now they're good is utter nonsense.
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93henfan wrote:Dow futures up triple digits on mid-term election results.
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CID1990 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:Bottom line: Trump did not "save" anything. The economy was doing well and improving before he took office. ISIS was in retreat before he took office. So on and so forth. He like to say he took over a mess. He did not. He came in with one of the easiest situations of any President in my lifetime. Everything was going well.

Now, I was wrong in thinking him getting elected would immediately screw everything up economy wise. But the idea that things were bad then Trump came and now they're good is utter nonsense.
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JohnStOnge wrote:Bottom line: Trump did not "save" anything. The economy was doing well and improving before he took office. ISIS was in retreat before he took office. So on and so forth. He like to say he took over a mess. He did not. He came in with one of the easiest situations of any President in my lifetime. Everything was going well.

Now, I was wrong in thinking him getting elected would immediately screw everything up economy wise. But the idea that things were bad then Trump came and now they're good is utter nonsense.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:Bottom line: Trump did not "save" anything. The economy was doing well and improving before he took office. ISIS was in retreat before he took office. So on and so forth. He like to say he took over a mess. He did not. He came in with one of the easiest situations of any President in my lifetime. Everything was going well.

Now, I was wrong in thinking him getting elected would immediately screw everything up economy wise. But the idea that things were bad then Trump came and now they're good is utter nonsense.
:rofl: :rofl:
Yeah. Easiest situations ever.
Got it.

You’ve gone full retard, Jon. Never go full retard.
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A reminder that the President is an unidicted co-conspirator

Donald Trump Played Central Role in Hush Payoffs to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal
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