2020 General Election

[Ibanez]

That's essentially Trump's argument about voter fraud and a stolen election. It's totally true b/c he says so even though he's provided zero evidence to back up his claims. It's been nearly a month and we've seen zero evidence of fraud on a scale so massive that it would flip a state.

Has Trump's lawyers gotten access to any envelops with signatures? Have they gotten the Dominion data yet?

If the injury is that he lost the election b/c of the ballots, the relief of throwing away 54, legally cast ballots wouldn't make a lick of difference. This is a witch hunt on behalf of Trump. Plain and simple. If there was any evidence, we would have it. If there was any evidence of wrong doing, these lawsuits would file complaints and then show overwhelming evidence. Not affidavits that are then rescinded or are hearsay. Republican judges, Republican SoS', Republican Governors are standing by the facts and the law. This is exactly what you all should be praising. This is nothing more than a sore loser trying to steal an election b/c his snowflake ego can't handle the fact that he lost.

RELIEF SOUGHT: SEGREGATE MAIL BALLOTS THAT ARRIVED AFTER DEADLINE 
CURRENT STATUS: DISMISSED
NUMBER OF BALLOTS AT ISSUE: 54
The Trump campaign had claimed that vote counters in Fulton County, which includes Atlanta, had not been properly separating mail ballots that arrived before and after an election-day deadline. To support these claims, they included allegations from a poll watcher who thought he saw 54 late-arriving ballots mixed in with other ballots.

A judge dismissed the case at a hearing on November 5, finding “no evidence” that the 54 ballots had in fact arrived late.

https://www.ft.com/content/20b114b5-541 ... 18a2527931

Once the signatures are verified the envelopes and the ballots are separated.

So while an audit could find invalid signatures – they can’t be be tied back to any ballots. So the only thing a judge could do is throw out every absentee ballot in a county.

https://www.wabe.org/lacking-evidence-o ... ts-fizzle/

[SeattleGriz]

Has Trump's lawyers gotten access to any envelops with signatures? Have they gotten the Dominion data yet?

If the injury is that he lost the election b/c of the ballots, the relief of throwing away 54, legally cast ballots wouldn't make a lick of difference. This is a witch hunt on behalf of Trump. Plain and simple. If there was any evidence, we would have it. If there was any evidence of wrong doing, these lawsuits would file complaints and then show overwhelming evidence. Not affidavits that are then rescinded or are hearsay. Republican judges, Republican SoS', Republican Governors are standing by the facts and the law. This is exactly what you all should be praising. This is nothing more than a sore loser trying to steal an election b/c his snowflake ego can't handle the fact that he lost.

RELIEF SOUGHT: SEGREGATE MAIL BALLOTS THAT ARRIVED AFTER DEADLINE 
CURRENT STATUS: DISMISSED
NUMBER OF BALLOTS AT ISSUE: 54
The Trump campaign had claimed that vote counters in Fulton County, which includes Atlanta, had not been properly separating mail ballots that arrived before and after an election-day deadline. To support these claims, they included allegations from a poll watcher who thought he saw 54 late-arriving ballots mixed in with other ballots.

A judge dismissed the case at a hearing on November 5, finding “no evidence” that the 54 ballots had in fact arrived late.

https://www.ft.com/content/20b114b5-541 ... 18a2527931

Once the signatures are verified the envelopes and the ballots are separated.

So while an audit could find invalid signatures – they can’t be be tied back to any ballots. So the only thing a judge could do is throw out every absentee ballot in a county.

https://www.wabe.org/lacking-evidence-o ... ts-fizzle/

Legal vs illegal.

It's what I said weeks ago. It was called hard knuckle politics when Obama did it. It's the only way to catch all the variations of fraud.

[AZGrizFan]

Has Trump's lawyers gotten access to any envelops with signatures? Have they gotten the Dominion data yet?

If the injury is that he lost the election b/c of the ballots, the relief of throwing away 54, legally cast ballots wouldn't make a lick of difference. This is a witch hunt on behalf of Trump. Plain and simple. If there was any evidence, we would have it. If there was any evidence of wrong doing, these lawsuits would file complaints and then show overwhelming evidence. Not affidavits that are then rescinded or are hearsay. Republican judges, Republican SoS', Republican Governors are standing by the facts and the law. This is exactly what you all should be praising. This is nothing more than a sore loser trying to steal an election b/c his snowflake ego can't handle the fact that he lost.

RELIEF SOUGHT: SEGREGATE MAIL BALLOTS THAT ARRIVED AFTER DEADLINE 
CURRENT STATUS: DISMISSED
NUMBER OF BALLOTS AT ISSUE: 54
The Trump campaign had claimed that vote counters in Fulton County, which includes Atlanta, had not been properly separating mail ballots that arrived before and after an election-day deadline. To support these claims, they included allegations from a poll watcher who thought he saw 54 late-arriving ballots mixed in with other ballots.

A judge dismissed the case at a hearing on November 5, finding “no evidence” that the 54 ballots had in fact arrived late.

https://www.ft.com/content/20b114b5-541 ... 18a2527931

Once the signatures are verified the envelopes and the ballots are separated.

So while an audit could find invalid signatures – they can’t be be tied back to any ballots. So the only thing a judge could do is throw out every absentee ballot in a county.

https://www.wabe.org/lacking-evidence-o ... ts-fizzle/

Honest question, because I seriously don’t know the process: Let’s say fraudulent ballots were mixed in and counted. Then a “recount” is done later. Can you tell which ballots were fraudulent? If it was postmarked late or incorrect, or the envelope was signed incorrectly, can you tell once they’re mixed in? Do they save all the envelopes too?

[CAA Flagship]

If the injury is that he lost the election b/c of the ballots, the relief of throwing away 54, legally cast ballots wouldn't make a lick of difference. This is a witch hunt on behalf of Trump. Plain and simple. If there was any evidence, we would have it. If there was any evidence of wrong doing, these lawsuits would file complaints and then show overwhelming evidence. Not affidavits that are then rescinded or are hearsay. Republican judges, Republican SoS', Republican Governors are standing by the facts and the law. This is exactly what you all should be praising. This is nothing more than a sore loser trying to steal an election b/c his snowflake ego can't handle the fact that he lost.



https://www.ft.com/content/20b114b5-541 ... 18a2527931



https://www.wabe.org/lacking-evidence-o ... ts-fizzle/

Honest question, because I seriously don’t know the process: Let’s say fraudulent ballots were mixed in and counted. Then a “recount” is done later. Can you tell which ballots were fraudulent? If it was postmarked late or incorrect, or the envelope was signed incorrectly, can you tell once they’re mixed in? Do they save all the envelopes too?

Chain of Custody

For a considerable amount of time, I worked dealing with a Chain of Custody process. This dealt with the handling of hazardous and universal waste. As a generator of the waste, I was responsible for correctly characterizing the waste (applying the correct codes to the waste's components) and providing the information on certain forms to the company transporting it to a treatment facility. From there, the paperwork is handed over from the transporter to the treatment facility. Both the transporter and the treatment facility sign the forms and return copies to the generator (me) and to the state's environmental office for recordkeeping. At that point, the treatment facility "owns" the waste, although the generator is never in the clear. If the treatment facility was abandoned (bankruptcy, etc.) and waste was left unprocessed, the generator would be responsible to send it elsewhere (cradle to grave responsibility). And even if treatment residue (ashes, neutralized materials, etc.) was found at an abandoned site, all generators that sent waste to the facility would be responsible for ultimate cleanup costs. So it was important for our company, as a generator, to perform an audit of the treatment companies and their facilities to ensure they were solvent and ran a reputable operation. The state conducts random inspections of generators, transporters, and treatment facilities to ensure that everything is handled correctly including proper paperwork, employee training, documented periodic inspections, etc. The point here is that it is a very detailed process where improper actions can be detected both "along the way" and "after the fact". And, importantly, there are severe penalties for actions that do not follow the laws.

Anyone who has had blood drawn has been a part of a "Chain of Custody" process. After a vile is filled, the health worker applies a pre-printed label to the vile. In every case that involved me or my sons, we were asked to review the label to ensure the information was correct. After that, I'm not sure what happens with the process but can assume that there are specific details that are conducted by the lab to ensure that the test results are matched with the proper patient.

As Z mentioned above, I too don't know the exact process of the "Chain of Custody" of ballots. But from my 30,000 foot view, I can see that any process that separates key information from a ballot that can't be re-connected is severely flawed and poorly designed. I'm not entirely sure if that is the case with signatures and envelopes and ballots, but it sure sounds like it.

GF talked about the PA ballots at one point. I would like to hear that again. Something about two envelopes. I think there is a signature on the inner envelope. Is there a signature on the ballots too? What's the purpose of the signature on the inner envelope?

[Ibanez]

If the injury is that he lost the election b/c of the ballots, the relief of throwing away 54, legally cast ballots wouldn't make a lick of difference. This is a witch hunt on behalf of Trump. Plain and simple. If there was any evidence, we would have it. If there was any evidence of wrong doing, these lawsuits would file complaints and then show overwhelming evidence. Not affidavits that are then rescinded or are hearsay. Republican judges, Republican SoS', Republican Governors are standing by the facts and the law. This is exactly what you all should be praising. This is nothing more than a sore loser trying to steal an election b/c his snowflake ego can't handle the fact that he lost.



https://www.ft.com/content/20b114b5-541 ... 18a2527931



https://www.wabe.org/lacking-evidence-o ... ts-fizzle/

Honest question, because I seriously don’t know the process: Let’s say fraudulent ballots were mixed in and counted. Then a “recount” is done later. Can you tell which ballots were fraudulent? If it was postmarked late or incorrect, or the envelope was signed incorrectly, can you tell once they’re mixed in? Do they save all the envelopes too?

That's a good question. I don't know - though I do know the perfect person to ask b/c she is the former State Director of Elections for the Georgia Secretary of State’s Office.

I would think something similar to a chain of custody like CAA mentioned, but that's going to be once the ballot is received. You're basically asking to re-verify the legality of every single ballot again. I'm not sure how it could be done if they separate the ballot from the envelope. I guess once they confirm that that name on the envelope is eligible to vote, then there isn't a need to re-verify that.

[houndawg]

That's essentially Trump's argument about voter fraud and a stolen election. It's totally true b/c he says so even though he's provided zero evidence to back up his claims. It's been nearly a month and we've seen zero evidence of fraud on a scale so massive that it would flip a state.

Has Trump's lawyers gotten access to any envelops with signatures? Have they gotten the Dominion data yet?

Have his lawyer's appeals been shot down 39 out of 40 times including by Republican judges appointed by trump?

[Ibanez]

If the injury is that he lost the election b/c of the ballots, the relief of throwing away 54, legally cast ballots wouldn't make a lick of difference. This is a witch hunt on behalf of Trump. Plain and simple. If there was any evidence, we would have it. If there was any evidence of wrong doing, these lawsuits would file complaints and then show overwhelming evidence. Not affidavits that are then rescinded or are hearsay. Republican judges, Republican SoS', Republican Governors are standing by the facts and the law. This is exactly what you all should be praising. This is nothing more than a sore loser trying to steal an election b/c his snowflake ego can't handle the fact that he lost.



https://www.ft.com/content/20b114b5-541 ... 18a2527931



https://www.wabe.org/lacking-evidence-o ... ts-fizzle/

Legal vs illegal.

It's what I said weeks ago. It was called hard knuckle politics when Obama did it. It's the only way to catch all the variations of fraud.

You seriously think there are tens of thousands of illegal votes that got through all the protections and security of multiple state elections? And then, in Georgia at least, you have a Republican government that allowed Trump to fail. If the Trump campaign has evidence then they should be presenting it. Why can't they present the evidence?

On the Dominion statement
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ted-trump/

A review of 10 key states (Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin) finds that Dominion systems were used in 351 of 731 counties. Trump won 283 of those counties, 81 percent of the total. He won 79 percent of the counties that didn’t use Dominion systems.

This article, I know I know it's the WaPo, boils down the argument to one simple statement

The claims start from the assumption that Biden couldn’t have gotten the support that he did and use that as a starting point for assuming malfeasance.

[houndawg]

Honest question, because I seriously don’t know the process: Let’s say fraudulent ballots were mixed in and counted. Then a “recount” is done later. Can you tell which ballots were fraudulent? If it was postmarked late or incorrect, or the envelope was signed incorrectly, can you tell once they’re mixed in? Do they save all the envelopes too?

Chain of Custody

For a considerable amount of time, I worked dealing with a Chain of Custody process. This dealt with the handling of hazardous and universal waste. As a generator of the waste, I was responsible for correctly characterizing the waste (applying the correct codes to the waste's components) and providing the information on certain forms to the company transporting it to a treatment facility. From there, the paperwork is handed over from the transporter to the treatment facility. Both the transporter and the treatment facility sign the forms and return copies to the generator (me) and to the state's environmental office for recordkeeping. At that point, the treatment facility "owns" the waste, although the generator is never in the clear. If the treatment facility was abandoned (bankruptcy, etc.) and waste was left unprocessed, the generator would be responsible to send it elsewhere (cradle to grave responsibility). And even if treatment residue (ashes, neutralized materials, etc.) was found at an abandoned site, all generators that sent waste to the facility would be responsible for ultimate cleanup costs. So it was important for our company, as a generator, to perform an audit of the treatment companies and their facilities to ensure they were solvent and ran a reputable operation. The state conducts random inspections of generators, transporters, and treatment facilities to ensure that everything is handled correctly including proper paperwork, employee training, documented periodic inspections, etc. The point here is that it is a very detailed process where improper actions can be detected both "along the way" and "after the fact". And, importantly, there are severe penalties for actions that do not follow the laws.

Anyone who has had blood drawn has been a part of a "Chain of Custody" process. After a vile is filled, the health worker applies a pre-printed label to the vile. In every case that involved me or my sons, we were asked to review the label to ensure the information was correct. After that, I'm not sure what happens with the process but can assume that there are specific details that are conducted by the lab to ensure that the test results are matched with the proper patient.

As Z mentioned above, I too don't know the exact process of the "Chain of Custody" of ballots. But from my 30,000 foot view, I can see that any process that separates key information from a ballot that can't be re-connected is severely flawed and poorly designed. I'm not entirely sure if that is the case with signatures and envelopes and ballots, but it sure sounds like it.

GF talked about the PA ballots at one point. I would like to hear that again. Something about two envelopes. I think there is a signature on the inner envelope. Is there a signature on the ballots too? What's the purpose of the signature on the inner envelope?

vial.

[SeattleGriz]

Legal vs illegal.

It's what I said weeks ago. It was called hard knuckle politics when Obama did it. It's the only way to catch all the variations of fraud.

You seriously think there are tens of thousands of illegal votes that got through all the protections and security of multiple state elections? And then, in Georgia at least, you have a Republican government that allowed Trump to fail. If the Trump campaign has evidence then they should be presenting it. Why can't they present the evidence?

On the Dominion statement
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ted-trump/

A review of 10 key states (Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin) finds that Dominion systems were used in 351 of 731 counties. Trump won 283 of those counties, 81 percent of the total. He won 79 percent of the counties that didn’t use Dominion systems.

This article, I know I know it's the WaPo, boils down the argument to one simple statement

The claims start from the assumption that Biden couldn’t have gotten the support that he did and use that as a starting point for assuming malfeasance.

I do think there are tens of thousands of illegal votes, especially in the four urban areas where Biden outperformed Hillary and Obama. Multiple instances of more votes than registered voters.

Why do you think the rejection rate of mail in ballots is somewhere around .02 for this election, when it historically was around 3-4%. Because they aren't even bothering to match signatures.

Did you not see the video of them pulling four roll away containers out from under the table after the "pipe burst" in Atlanta? That's a lot of test ballots to run through.

Hundreds of people are coming forward and now we're finally getting video proof. SDs video from Atlanta is about five posts above, and here is a Detroit poll watcher.

[Ibanez]

You seriously think there are tens of thousands of illegal votes that got through all the protections and security of multiple state elections? And then, in Georgia at least, you have a Republican government that allowed Trump to fail. If the Trump campaign has evidence then they should be presenting it. Why can't they present the evidence?

On the Dominion statement
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ted-trump/




This article, I know I know it's the WaPo, boils down the argument to one simple statement

I do think there are tens of thousands of illegal votes, especially in the four urban areas where Biden outperformed Hillary and Obama. Multiple instances of more votes than registered voters.

Why do you think the rejection rate of mail in ballots is somewhere around .02 for this election, when it historically was around 3-4%. Because they aren't even bothering to match signatures.

Did you not see the video of them pulling four roll away containers out from under the table after the "pipe burst" in Atlanta? That's a lot of test ballots to run through.

Hundreds of people are coming forward and now we're finally getting video proof. SDs video from Atlanta is about five posts above, and here is a Detroit poll watcher.

I'm not following the play-by-play of Trump's hoax. I'll take a look at the videos later, I can't view videos on this machine. If it's the one I saw of inside State Farm, that does require explaining.

I wouldn't put any stock in anyone signing an affidavit since the Trump team has already trotted out "witnesses" only to find out that lied. He doesn't have much credibility there.

[kalm]

You seriously think there are tens of thousands of illegal votes that got through all the protections and security of multiple state elections? And then, in Georgia at least, you have a Republican government that allowed Trump to fail. If the Trump campaign has evidence then they should be presenting it. Why can't they present the evidence?

On the Dominion statement
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ted-trump/




This article, I know I know it's the WaPo, boils down the argument to one simple statement

I do think there are tens of thousands of illegal votes, especially in the four urban areas where Biden outperformed Hillary and Obama. Multiple instances of more votes than registered voters.

Why do you think the rejection rate of mail in ballots is somewhere around .02 for this election, when it historically was around 3-4%. Because they aren't even bothering to match signatures.

Did you not see the video of them pulling four roll away containers out from under the table after the "pipe burst" in Atlanta? That's a lot of test ballots to run through.

Hundreds of people are coming forward and now we're finally getting video proof. SDs video from Atlanta is about five posts above, and here is a Detroit poll watcher.

I wish the lame stream media was as good as Twitter in reporting damning content!

[SeattleGriz]

I do think there are tens of thousands of illegal votes, especially in the four urban areas where Biden outperformed Hillary and Obama. Multiple instances of more votes than registered voters.

Why do you think the rejection rate of mail in ballots is somewhere around .02 for this election, when it historically was around 3-4%. Because they aren't even bothering to match signatures.

Did you not see the video of them pulling four roll away containers out from under the table after the "pipe burst" in Atlanta? That's a lot of test ballots to run through.

Hundreds of people are coming forward and now we're finally getting video proof. SDs video from Atlanta is about five posts above, and here is a Detroit poll watcher.

I wish the lame stream media was as good as Twitter in reporting damning content!

I agree. Lady has a lot to lose if she is lying.

[kalm]

I wish the lame stream media was as good as Twitter in reporting damning content!

I agree. Lady has a lot to lose if she is lying.

I googled “Michigan hearing” and this honestly was the first hit.

https://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-gi ... ve-2020-12

[kalm]

Holy shit! The star witness at the hearing...



https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com ... 3famp=true

[Ibanez]

Holy shit! The star witness at the hearing...



https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com ... 3famp=true

I saw that video yesterday...that was crazy. I hadn't heard about piking up the Rudy farts...that's just icing on the cake.

[AZGrizFan]

Chain of Custody

For a considerable amount of time, I worked dealing with a Chain of Custody process. This dealt with the handling of hazardous and universal waste. As a generator of the waste, I was responsible for correctly characterizing the waste (applying the correct codes to the waste's components) and providing the information on certain forms to the company transporting it to a treatment facility. From there, the paperwork is handed over from the transporter to the treatment facility. Both the transporter and the treatment facility sign the forms and return copies to the generator (me) and to the state's environmental office for recordkeeping. At that point, the treatment facility "owns" the waste, although the generator is never in the clear. If the treatment facility was abandoned (bankruptcy, etc.) and waste was left unprocessed, the generator would be responsible to send it elsewhere (cradle to grave responsibility). And even if treatment residue (ashes, neutralized materials, etc.) was found at an abandoned site, all generators that sent waste to the facility would be responsible for ultimate cleanup costs. So it was important for our company, as a generator, to perform an audit of the treatment companies and their facilities to ensure they were solvent and ran a reputable operation. The state conducts random inspections of generators, transporters, and treatment facilities to ensure that everything is handled correctly including proper paperwork, employee training, documented periodic inspections, etc. The point here is that it is a very detailed process where improper actions can be detected both "along the way" and "after the fact". And, importantly, there are severe penalties for actions that do not follow the laws.

Anyone who has had blood drawn has been a part of a "Chain of Custody" process. After a vile is filled, the health worker applies a pre-printed label to the vile. In every case that involved me or my sons, we were asked to review the label to ensure the information was correct. After that, I'm not sure what happens with the process but can assume that there are specific details that are conducted by the lab to ensure that the test results are matched with the proper patient.

As Z mentioned above, I too don't know the exact process of the "Chain of Custody" of ballots. But from my 30,000 foot view, I can see that any process that separates key information from a ballot that can't be re-connected is severely flawed and poorly designed. I'm not entirely sure if that is the case with signatures and envelopes and ballots, but it sure sounds like it.

GF talked about the PA ballots at one point. I would like to hear that again. Something about two envelopes. I think there is a signature on the inner envelope. Is there a signature on the ballots too? What's the purpose of the signature on the inner envelope?

vial.

Houndawg’s entire takeaway from Flaggy’s post.

[Skjellyfetti]

Honest question, because I seriously don’t know the process: Let’s say fraudulent ballots were mixed in and counted. Then a “recount” is done later. Can you tell which ballots were fraudulent? If it was postmarked late or incorrect, or the envelope was signed incorrectly, can you tell once they’re mixed in? Do they save all the envelopes too?

Chain of Custody

For a considerable amount of time, I worked dealing with a Chain of Custody process. This dealt with the handling of hazardous and universal waste. As a generator of the waste, I was responsible for correctly characterizing the waste (applying the correct codes to the waste's components) and providing the information on certain forms to the company transporting it to a treatment facility. From there, the paperwork is handed over from the transporter to the treatment facility. Both the transporter and the treatment facility sign the forms and return copies to the generator (me) and to the state's environmental office for recordkeeping. At that point, the treatment facility "owns" the waste, although the generator is never in the clear. If the treatment facility was abandoned (bankruptcy, etc.) and waste was left unprocessed, the generator would be responsible to send it elsewhere (cradle to grave responsibility). And even if treatment residue (ashes, neutralized materials, etc.) was found at an abandoned site, all generators that sent waste to the facility would be responsible for ultimate cleanup costs. So it was important for our company, as a generator, to perform an audit of the treatment companies and their facilities to ensure they were solvent and ran a reputable operation. The state conducts random inspections of generators, transporters, and treatment facilities to ensure that everything is handled correctly including proper paperwork, employee training, documented periodic inspections, etc. The point here is that it is a very detailed process where improper actions can be detected both "along the way" and "after the fact". And, importantly, there are severe penalties for actions that do not follow the laws.

Anyone who has had blood drawn has been a part of a "Chain of Custody" process. After a vile is filled, the health worker applies a pre-printed label to the vile. In every case that involved me or my sons, we were asked to review the label to ensure the information was correct. After that, I'm not sure what happens with the process but can assume that there are specific details that are conducted by the lab to ensure that the test results are matched with the proper patient.

As Z mentioned above, I too don't know the exact process of the "Chain of Custody" of ballots. But from my 30,000 foot view, I can see that any process that separates key information from a ballot that can't be re-connected is severely flawed and poorly designed. I'm not entirely sure if that is the case with signatures and envelopes and ballots, but it sure sounds like it.

GF talked about the PA ballots at one point. I would like to hear that again. Something about two envelopes. I think there is a signature on the inner envelope. Is there a signature on the ballots too? What's the purpose of the signature on the inner envelope?

The big difference is that with ballots there is a benefit to separate individual identifying information from the ballot so that votes remain anonymous. Obviously not the case with a medical blood sample.

Most, if not all states, require secret ballots.

Georgia's Constitution:

Elections by the people shall be by secret ballot and shall be conducted in accordance with procedures provided by law.

https://sos.ga.gov/admin/files/Constitu ... rinted.pdf

Keeping opened ballots with identifying personal information would violate Georgia's Constitution.

[CAA Flagship]

Chain of Custody

For a considerable amount of time, I worked dealing with a Chain of Custody process. This dealt with the handling of hazardous and universal waste. As a generator of the waste, I was responsible for correctly characterizing the waste (applying the correct codes to the waste's components) and providing the information on certain forms to the company transporting it to a treatment facility. From there, the paperwork is handed over from the transporter to the treatment facility. Both the transporter and the treatment facility sign the forms and return copies to the generator (me) and to the state's environmental office for recordkeeping. At that point, the treatment facility "owns" the waste, although the generator is never in the clear. If the treatment facility was abandoned (bankruptcy, etc.) and waste was left unprocessed, the generator would be responsible to send it elsewhere (cradle to grave responsibility). And even if treatment residue (ashes, neutralized materials, etc.) was found at an abandoned site, all generators that sent waste to the facility would be responsible for ultimate cleanup costs. So it was important for our company, as a generator, to perform an audit of the treatment companies and their facilities to ensure they were solvent and ran a reputable operation. The state conducts random inspections of generators, transporters, and treatment facilities to ensure that everything is handled correctly including proper paperwork, employee training, documented periodic inspections, etc. The point here is that it is a very detailed process where improper actions can be detected both "along the way" and "after the fact". And, importantly, there are severe penalties for actions that do not follow the laws.

Anyone who has had blood drawn has been a part of a "Chain of Custody" process. After a vile is filled, the health worker applies a pre-printed label to the vile. In every case that involved me or my sons, we were asked to review the label to ensure the information was correct. After that, I'm not sure what happens with the process but can assume that there are specific details that are conducted by the lab to ensure that the test results are matched with the proper patient.

As Z mentioned above, I too don't know the exact process of the "Chain of Custody" of ballots. But from my 30,000 foot view, I can see that any process that separates key information from a ballot that can't be re-connected is severely flawed and poorly designed. I'm not entirely sure if that is the case with signatures and envelopes and ballots, but it sure sounds like it.

GF talked about the PA ballots at one point. I would like to hear that again. Something about two envelopes. I think there is a signature on the inner envelope. Is there a signature on the ballots too? What's the purpose of the signature on the inner envelope?

The big difference is that with ballots there is a benefit to separate individual identifying information from the ballot so that votes remain anonymous. Obviously not the case with a medical blood sample.

Most, if not all states, require secret ballots.

Georgia's Constitution:

Elections by the people shall be by secret ballot and shall be conducted in accordance with procedures provided by law.

https://sos.ga.gov/admin/files/Constitu ... rinted.pdf

Keeping opened ballots with identifying personal information would violate Georgia's Constitution.

That makes sense, but is there something like a number that matches the ballot with the signed envelope? If the signature is so important (must be since they decided to require it), how can it be traced back to a ballot during an investigation or audit once they are separated? There should be some way to verify, otherwise it is poorly designed.

[AZGrizFan]

The big difference is that with ballots there is a benefit to separate individual identifying information from the ballot so that votes remain anonymous. Obviously not the case with a medical blood sample.

Most, if not all states, require secret ballots.

Georgia's Constitution:

https://sos.ga.gov/admin/files/Constitu ... rinted.pdf

Keeping opened ballots with identifying personal information would violate Georgia's Constitution.

That makes sense, but is there something like a number that matches the ballot with the signed envelope? If the signature is so important (must be since they decided to require it), how can it be traced back to a ballot during an investigation or audit once they are separated? There should be some way to verify, otherwise it is poorly designed.

Exactly. Then the entire integrity of the election falls back to chain of custody, and if THAT is circumspect, then the whole thing is.

[Skjellyfetti]

They are intentionally separated to protect the anonymity of individuals' votes.

You can think that's a bad idea if you want. Georgia's Constitution disagrees. Cry more.

[SDHornet]

You seriously think there are tens of thousands of illegal votes that got through all the protections and security of multiple state elections? And then, in Georgia at least, you have a Republican government that allowed Trump to fail. If the Trump campaign has evidence then they should be presenting it. Why can't they present the evidence?

On the Dominion statement
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ted-trump/




This article, I know I know it's the WaPo, boils down the argument to one simple statement

I do think there are tens of thousands of illegal votes, especially in the four urban areas where Biden outperformed Hillary and Obama. Multiple instances of more votes than registered voters.

Why do you think the rejection rate of mail in ballots is somewhere around .02 for this election, when it historically was around 3-4%. Because they aren't even bothering to match signatures.

Did you not see the video of them pulling four roll away containers out from under the table after the "pipe burst" in Atlanta? That's a lot of test ballots to run through.

Hundreds of people are coming forward and now we're finally getting video proof. SDs video from Atlanta is about five posts above, and here is a Detroit poll watcher.

Same here. There are no doubt thousands of "illegal" ballots in the mix, and I'm not referring to just this ellection. Anyone thinking otherwise has their head in the sand. I don't know how you "uncount" them once they are in unless the "questionable" ballots are kept in a separate "pile". The mass mail in voting only compounded this issue and made the steal that much easier.

[SDHornet]

They are intentionally separated to protect the anonymity of individuals' votes.

You can think that's a bad idea if you want. Georgia's Constitution disagrees. Cry more.

That's not the issue, not surprised it went over your head. The issue is the signature matching (which I believe is a requirement in most states on mail in ballots) wasn't even followed. And that is just one of the election laws that wasn't followed, you still have the issue of election committees changing the election laws outside of the state legislature (PA).

[UNI88]

vial.

Houndawg’s entire takeaway from Flaggy’s post.

Flaggy got BDK’d by Houndy.
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Houndy and BDK sitting in a tree ...

[AZGrizFan]

They are intentionally separated to protect the anonymity of individuals' votes.

You can think that's a bad idea if you want. Georgia's Constitution disagrees. Cry more.

Fuck off. I’m not crying about it. I honestly just want to understand the process. If you have to be a dick about it, feel free to disengage.

[SeattleGriz]

Probably just resumes on that USB she stuffing in that gal's pocket.