Coronavirus COVID-19

[CID1990]

We just got alerted by the city of Overland Park KS
that we should begin immediately with their municipal Wi-Fi project as there is nobody on the streets...
and they've released the funds - we're 100% go

Muni's are starting to figure out that road projects and other such things
are in a "never better than right now" scenario to get rolling

Saint George Utah is figuring that out just now as well... we begin there on May 1st (moved up 4 months)

Its also a good idea to keep people working

I mean road construction types... those are the kinds of people who burn things after being jobless for a while

Im not talking about you though Clitz

You Seattle techie types just get testy with your baristas


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[CID1990]

Hidden in all of this is a clue -

That maybe... just maybe -

The states do better for themselves and we should stop looking for competence from the central government

Or maybe we should stop electing a party whose sole goal is to get government so small you could drown it in a bathtub, and has collected the most incompetent set of grift-first jackasses this country has ever seen?

Wait -

Who have we EVER elected with such a lofty and worthy goal as their sole mission?


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[CID1990]

It did start in November.

Link

US spy agencies were tracking the rise of the novel coronavirus as early as November, weeks before that information was included in President Donald Trump's daily intelligence briefing, a former US military official told CNN.

While the exact date of the first report remains unclear, sources told CNN that intelligence gathered in November and in the weeks following offered multiple early warnings about the potential severity of the pandemic now surging in the US.

Untrue.

DIA confirms there was no such reporting.

The first confirmed case in China was tracked to 17 November and the Chinese didn’t even realize what they had until a couple weeks later

I’d like to know who this “former US military official” is because anyone with common sense and a rough ability to do timelines know this is complete bullshit.

This just goes to further show that when these news agencies lead with anonymous “former” officials you’re about to be fed a pile of shit


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[kalm]

We just got alerted by the city of Overland Park KS
that we should begin immediately with their municipal Wi-Fi project as there is nobody on the streets...
and they've released the funds - we're 100% go

Muni's are starting to figure out that road projects and other such things
are in a "never better than right now" scenario to get rolling

Saint George Utah is figuring that out just now as well... we begin there on May 1st (moved up 4 months)

Its also a good idea to keep people working

I mean road construction types... those are the kinds of people who burn things after being jobless for a while

Im not talking about you though Clitz

You Seattle techie types just get testy with your baristas


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The concern is local and state tax revenue taking a serious hit to fund these things. As most of us know, they can’t simply print more money. Again...tip of the iceberg as far federal bailouts go.

[JohnStOnge]

It did start in November.

Link

US spy agencies were tracking the rise of the novel coronavirus as early as November, weeks before that information was included in President Donald Trump's daily intelligence briefing, a former US military official told CNN.

While the exact date of the first report remains unclear, sources told CNN that intelligence gathered in November and in the weeks following offered multiple early warnings about the potential severity of the pandemic now surging in the US.

Untrue.

DIA confirms there was no such reporting.

The first confirmed case in China was tracked to 17 November and the Chinese didn’t even realize what they had until a couple weeks later

I’d like to know who this “former US military official” is because anyone with common sense and a rough ability to do timelines know this is complete bullshit.

This just goes to further show that when these news agencies lead with anonymous “former” officials you’re about to be fed a pile of shit


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I think the wording of the denial is very careful. Also, if CNN says they have a former military official saying that I do not doubt that they have a former military official saying that.

[BDKJMU]

Untrue.

DIA confirms there was no such reporting.

The first confirmed case in China was tracked to 17 November and the Chinese didn’t even realize what they had until a couple weeks later

I’d like to know who this “former US military official” is because anyone with common sense and a rough ability to do timelines know this is complete bullshit.

This just goes to further show that when these news agencies lead with anonymous “former” officials you’re about to be fed a pile of shit


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I think the wording of the denial is very careful. Also, if CNN says they have a former military official saying that I do not doubt that they have a former military official saying that.

It wasn't CNN. It was ABC. And if they don't give the person's name, its likely BS.

After all, this is the Fake News network that said a video from a KY gun range, was a video of a massacre in Syria..

[BDKJMU]

Fed rolls out another 2.3 trillion.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKCN21R1WY

[BDKJMU]

16.8 million lost jobs in just 3 weeks, worst 3 week period in US history..
https://apnews.com/c06a37220e461922c61bdf18c3a20c3e

With current 16,691 deaths, that's about 1,000 lost jobs for every death...

[CID1990]

Untrue.

DIA confirms there was no such reporting.

The first confirmed case in China was tracked to 17 November and the Chinese didn’t even realize what they had until a couple weeks later

I’d like to know who this “former US military official” is because anyone with common sense and a rough ability to do timelines know this is complete bullshit.

This just goes to further show that when these news agencies lead with anonymous “former” officials you’re about to be fed a pile of shit


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I think the wording of the denial is very careful. Also, if CNN says they have a former military official saying that I do not doubt that they have a former military official saying that.

I know you are predisposed to give credence to anything, however minute, that could be a criticism of the current administration

in that respect you’re pretty much a bot now

But this story is complete bullshit. There was no such reporting from any intelligence agency when this “former official” says it happened

The report was supposed to have come from the NCMI which is part of the DIA. They went back and looked all the way to the on ground reporting - and there was nothing.

So yeah, I am sure that ABC has a “former military official” who is feeding them bullshit and they are all too happy to run with it

There is no scenario in which this story is true but it sure is tailor made for you, JSO. An intel agency actually speaking up about NOT having detected something, based on a media report using an anon source who amazingly is no longer a part of the organization...with a timeline that defies logic...

You really have become a bot, John


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[Gil Dobie]

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Too much Corona Beer

[Ivytalk]

16.8 million lost jobs in just 3 weeks, worst 3 week period in US history..
https://apnews.com/c06a37220e461922c61bdf18c3a20c3e

With current 16,691 deaths, that's about 1,000 lost jobs for every death...

And your point is?

[kalm]

For all the Monday morning QB’s....

State of things— Trump had said previously that the death toll was headed to 100k - 200k. Scientists in the WH are still holding that. But a new model the WH and many people pay attention to are now saying 60k.

There is also a secret “Grand Princess” model I will touch on.5/
Trump has said the numbers “could have been” 2 million. And the Imperial College had put out higher numbers.

First question— if it comes out at 60 or 100-200, how could ppl have been so wrong? Or if it comes out higher, how could ppl be so wrong? 6/
The answer? That is exactly how exponential math works.

If 1 person infects 2.3 people on average, after 10 cycles 4100 are infected. But if one person infects only 1.3 people on average, only 14 people are infected. 7

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1248 ... 92640.html

[Ibanez]

Current Worldometer Deaths per 1 Million Population (only counted countries over 1 million population):
-Europe top 9, 16 of top 18..

1. Spain: 330
2. Italy: 302 (WSJ study showed major under count in hardest hit Lombardi region; Italy apparently doesn't count deaths at home).
3. Belgium 218
4. France: 187
5. Netherlands: 140
6. UK: 118
7. Switzerland: 110
8. Sweden: 79 (with physical distancing but no stay at home, almost no shutdowns).
9. Ireland: 53
10. US 50 (would be between Germany & Slovenia if wasn't for NYC metro area).
11. Iran: 49 (liars)
12.Denmark: 41
13. Portugal 40
14. Austria: 33
15. Germany 31
16. Slovenia 21
17. Norway 20
18. Estonia 18
19-20: Ecuador, Panama: 15
21. Macedonia 14
22-23: Canada, Romania: 13
24-26: Bosnia & Herzegovina, Turkey, DR: 11
27-28: Czechia, Israel: 10
29-33: Albania, Cyprus, Finland, Greece, Serbia: 8
34-35: Moldova, Hungary: 7
36-37: Lithuania, Trinidad & Tobago: 6
38-40: Algeria, Croatia, Poland: 5
41-43: Brazil, Peru, S Korea: 4
44-50: Armenia, Bahrain, Bulgaria, Chile, Lebanon, Montenegro, Morocco: 3
51-63: Argentina, Australia, Belarus, Bolivia, China (liars), Honduras, Hungary, Iraq, Latvia, Malaysia, Philippines, Qatar, Tunisia, Uruguay: 2

You can't trust any of the numbers. Spain, for instance, has 1000s more deaths which they are pretty sure are COVID-19 or b/c of COVID-19. However, because the dead didn't test positive (or were tested at all) those deaths aren't counted. COVID-19 is essentially hastening the end for many people who are already sick, old, weak, etc... If it's a contributing factor I think it should be counted.

I don't know if other states do this but when I saw my fathers death certificate it listed a primary and secondary cause (one disease caused another). I'm sure that is what is going on here and therefore people think the numbers are inflated (when in reality, they're much less).

[CAA Flagship]

For all the Monday morning QB’s....

State of things— Trump had said previously that the death toll was headed to 100k - 200k. Scientists in the WH are still holding that. But a new model the WH and many people pay attention to are now saying 60k.

There is also a secret “Grand Princess” model I will touch on.5/
Trump has said the numbers “could have been” 2 million. And the Imperial College had put out higher numbers.

First question— if it comes out at 60 or 100-200, how could ppl have been so wrong? Or if it comes out higher, how could ppl be so wrong? 6/
The answer? That is exactly how exponential math works.

If 1 person infects 2.3 people on average, after 10 cycles 4100 are infected. But if one person infects only 1.3 people on average, only 14 people are infected. 7

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1248 ... 92640.html

Well sure. Timing is everything.
It's like traveling 100 miles from a metro area and heading to the beach at 3pm on a Friday versus leaving at 5pm. The drunkeness level at 10pm can be drastically different.

[Ibanez]

I think the wording of the denial is very careful. Also, if CNN says they have a former military official saying that I do not doubt that they have a former military official saying that.

It wasn't CNN. It was ABC. And if they don't give the person's name, its likely BS.

After all, this is the Fake News network that said a video from a KY gun range, was a video of a massacre in Syria..

Terrible. False reporting and intentionally misleading reporting aren't necessarily the same. They aren't necessarily insidious.

I assume you, being a fair person, include Fox News in your count of Fake News networks?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4907 ... oronavirus

Dozens of journalism professors and working journalists signed an open letter to Fox News heads Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch on Thursday, bashing the network's coverage of the coronavirus pandemic as a "danger to public health."

"Viewers of Fox News, including the president of the United States, have been regularly subjected to misinformation relayed by the network—false statements downplaying the prevalence of COVID-19 and its harms; misleading recommendations of activities that people should undertake to protect themselves and others, including casual recommendations of untested drugs; false assessments of the value of measures urged upon the public by their elected political leadership and public health authorities," the letter reads.

By Source, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=19400646

What about Fox News showing a Sarah Palin book signing with a massive crowd...but really it was from the 2008 Presidential campaign?

Or the doctored videos of Obama speeches making it appear he says things but key words have been left out?

oh and this
https://www.politifact.com/article/2015 ... news-lies/

This is probably my favorite

21. "I don’t remember any terrorist attacks on American soil during that period of time (2000-08)."

Eric Bolling, July 14, 2011

You want to chide CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, ABC, QRS, LUV, etc... as fake news b/c they have a bias or make mistakes. But you never call out Fox News. The one network that ideologically aligns with your views. Weird...

[AZGrizFan]

16.8 million lost jobs in just 3 weeks, worst 3 week period in US history..
https://apnews.com/c06a37220e461922c61bdf18c3a20c3e

With current 16,691 deaths, that's about 1,000 lost jobs for every death...

And your point is?

His point is the cure is worse than the disease.

[kalm]

And your point is?

His point is the cure is worse than the disease.

Unless you’re one of the many who would have died if it was just the flu.

[CID1990]

It wasn't CNN. It was ABC. And if they don't give the person's name, its likely BS.

After all, this is the Fake News network that said a video from a KY gun range, was a video of a massacre in Syria..

Terrible. False reporting and intentionally misleading reporting aren't necessarily the same. They aren't necessarily insidious.

I assume you, being a fair person, include Fox News in your count of Fake News networks?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4907 ... oronavirus

Dozens of journalism professors and working journalists signed an open letter to Fox News heads Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch on Thursday, bashing the network's coverage of the coronavirus pandemic as a "danger to public health."

"Viewers of Fox News, including the president of the United States, have been regularly subjected to misinformation relayed by the network—false statements downplaying the prevalence of COVID-19 and its harms; misleading recommendations of activities that people should undertake to protect themselves and others, including casual recommendations of untested drugs; false assessments of the value of measures urged upon the public by their elected political leadership and public health authorities," the letter reads.

By Source, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=19400646

What about Fox News showing a Sarah Palin book signing with a massive crowd...but really it was from the 2008 Presidential campaign?

Or the doctored videos of Obama speeches making it appear he says things but key words have been left out?

oh and this
https://www.politifact.com/article/2015 ... news-lies/

This is probably my favorite

21. "I don’t remember any terrorist attacks on American soil during that period of time (2000-08)."

Eric Bolling, July 14, 2011

You want to chide CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, ABC, QRS, LUV, etc... as fake news b/c they have a bias or make mistakes. But you never call out Fox News. The one network that ideologically aligns with your views. Weird...

What does all this have to do with the ABC report being demonstrably false?


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[AZGrizFan]

Terrible. False reporting and intentionally misleading reporting aren't necessarily the same. They aren't necessarily insidious.

I assume you, being a fair person, include Fox News in your count of Fake News networks?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4907 ... oronavirus





By Source, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=19400646

What about Fox News showing a Sarah Palin book signing with a massive crowd...but really it was from the 2008 Presidential campaign?

Or the doctored videos of Obama speeches making it appear he says things but key words have been left out?

oh and this
https://www.politifact.com/article/2015 ... news-lies/

This is probably my favorite


You want to chide CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, ABC, QRS, LUV, etc... as fake news b/c they have a bias or make mistakes. But you never call out Fox News. The one network that ideologically aligns with your views. Weird...

What does all this have to do with the ABC report being demonstrably false?


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Absolutely zip squat. It’s contrarian Mark being contrarian.

[∞∞∞]

Ah the phone scams have begun.

Just got an "urgent message" from the "CDC" that I was exposed to Covid-19 and need to call back immediately.

[Ibanez]

Terrible. False reporting and intentionally misleading reporting aren't necessarily the same. They aren't necessarily insidious.

I assume you, being a fair person, include Fox News in your count of Fake News networks?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4907 ... oronavirus





By Source, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=19400646

What about Fox News showing a Sarah Palin book signing with a massive crowd...but really it was from the 2008 Presidential campaign?

Or the doctored videos of Obama speeches making it appear he says things but key words have been left out?

oh and this
https://www.politifact.com/article/2015 ... news-lies/

This is probably my favorite


You want to chide CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, ABC, QRS, LUV, etc... as fake news b/c they have a bias or make mistakes. But you never call out Fox News. The one network that ideologically aligns with your views. Weird...

What does all this have to do with the ABC report being demonstrably false?


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It's pretty obvious.

Conservative media outlets are as guilty as liberal ones. BDKKK seems to ignore the false and intentionally misleading "reporting" that's done by the conservative media. To call out all those media outlets and forget to include one of the worst offenders is intellectually dishonest.

[Ibanez]

What does all this have to do with the ABC report being demonstrably false?


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Absolutely zip squat. It’s contrarian Mark being contrarian.

Let's use those critical thinking skills here, Tom.

Also, don't fuck up my troll.

[Silenoz]

And your point is?

His point is the cure is worse than the disease.

Survivor bias

The math isn't that hard. The economy took the hit so your wife or you isn't in the ICU and/or dead.

[Ibanez]

And your point is?

His point is the cure is worse than the disease.

Let's not conflate stop gap measures with a cure.

Staying at home, social distancing, cancelling Spring 2020 are stop gap measures to slow the spread of a disease that 1) we have never encountered; 2) have zero treatment for; 3) have zero immunity against; and 4) have no cure. We've taken drastic measures for sure.

But what was the alternative? Letting millions more getting infected and put even more strain on our healthcare system for treatment of a disease that we have no vaccine or proven treatment for? Seems like there were two bad options here.