Coronavirus COVID-19

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

It wasn't CNN. It was ABC. And if they don't give the person's name, its likely BS.

After all, this is the Fake News network that said a video from a KY gun range, was a video of a massacre in Syria..

Terrible. False reporting and intentionally misleading reporting aren't necessarily the same. They aren't necessarily insidious.

I assume you, being a fair person, include Fox News in your count of Fake News networks?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4907 ... oronavirus

Dozens of journalism professors and working journalists signed an open letter to Fox News heads Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch on Thursday, bashing the network's coverage of the coronavirus pandemic as a "danger to public health."

"Viewers of Fox News, including the president of the United States, have been regularly subjected to misinformation relayed by the network—false statements downplaying the prevalence of COVID-19 and its harms; misleading recommendations of activities that people should undertake to protect themselves and others, including casual recommendations of untested drugs; false assessments of the value of measures urged upon the public by their elected political leadership and public health authorities," the letter reads.

By Source, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=19400646

What about Fox News showing a Sarah Palin book signing with a massive crowd...but really it was from the 2008 Presidential campaign?

Or the doctored videos of Obama speeches making it appear he says things but key words have been left out?

oh and this
https://www.politifact.com/article/2015 ... news-lies/

This is probably my favorite

21. "I don’t remember any terrorist attacks on American soil during that period of time (2000-08)."

Eric Bolling, July 14, 2011

You want to chide CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, ABC, QRS, LUV, etc... as fake news b/c they have a bias or make mistakes. But you never call out Fox News. The one network that ideologically aligns with your views. Weird...

Such bullshit

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[AZGrizFan]

His point is the cure is worse than the disease.

Survivor bias

The math isn't that hard. The economy took the hit so your wife or you isn't in the ICU and/or dead.

My wife or I were never going to be in the ICU. Or dead. We’re not over 75, with pre existing conditions, etc., etc. We’ve shut down the country and destroyed the economy and shattered tens of millions of lives so a couple thousand 80 year olds can squeeze out a couple more months of life.

Well done.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

His point is the cure is worse than the disease.

Let's not conflate stop gap measures with a cure.

Staying at home, social distancing, cancelling Spring 2020 are stop gap measures to slow the spread of a disease that 1) we have never encountered; 2) have zero treatment for; 3) have zero immunity against; and 4) have no cure. We've taken drastic measures for sure.

But what was the alternative? Letting millions more getting infected and put even more strain on our healthcare system for treatment of a disease that we have no vaccine or proven treatment for? Seems like there were two bad options here.

Nobody has ever "cured" a virus so that's just wishful thinking.

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Survivor bias

The math isn't that hard. The economy took the hit so your wife or you isn't in the ICU and/or dead.

My wife or I were never going to be in the ICU. Or dead. We’re not over 75, with pre existing conditions, etc., etc. We’ve shut down the country and destroyed the economy and shattered tens of millions of lives so a couple thousand 80 year olds can squeeze out a couple more months of life.

Well done.

There is a reason that happened

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[AZGrizFan]

His point is the cure is worse than the disease.

Let's not conflate stop gap measures with a cure.

Staying at home, social distancing, cancelling Spring 2020 are stop gap measures to slow the spread of a disease that 1) we have never encountered; 2) have zero treatment for; 3) have zero immunity against; and 4) have no cure. We've taken drastic measures for sure.

But what was the alternative? Letting millions more getting infected and put even more strain on our healthcare system for treatment of a disease that we have no vaccine or proven treatment for? Seems like there were two bad options here.

What strain? Doctors and nurses are being furloughed across the country. With the exception of NYC and a couple other hot spots, this whole thing is a big giant flop. There’s no “strain” on the system. Ventilators are being sent back. Beds are empty. And the economy is in absolute fucking shambles.

There was only ONE bad option here, but it involved ceding freedoms and control to the US government and they made the outcome look bad enough that we took it, hook line and sinker. What happens with the next novel virus? We shutting down the country again?

[Ivytalk]

Let's not conflate stop gap measures with a cure.

Staying at home, social distancing, cancelling Spring 2020 are stop gap measures to slow the spread of a disease that 1) we have never encountered; 2) have zero treatment for; 3) have zero immunity against; and 4) have no cure. We've taken drastic measures for sure.

But what was the alternative? Letting millions more getting infected and put even more strain on our healthcare system for treatment of a disease that we have no vaccine or proven treatment for? Seems like there were two bad options here.

What strain? Doctors and nurses are being furloughed across the country. With the exception of NYC and a couple other hot spots, this whole thing is a big giant flop. There’s no “strain” on the system. Ventilators are being sent back. Beds are empty. And the economy is in absolute fucking shambles.

There was only ONE bad option here, but it involved ceding freedoms and control to the US government and they made the outcome look bad enough that we took it, hook line and sinker. What happens with the next novel virus? We shutting down the country again?

Monday-morning quarterbacking at its finest.

[Silenoz]

Survivor bias

The math isn't that hard. The economy took the hit so your wife or you isn't in the ICU and/or dead.

My wife or I were never going to be in the ICU. Or dead. We’re not over 75, with pre existing conditions, etc., etc.

That's not how it works, but we both know I'm wasting my time here.

[Ibanez]

Let's not conflate stop gap measures with a cure.

Staying at home, social distancing, cancelling Spring 2020 are stop gap measures to slow the spread of a disease that 1) we have never encountered; 2) have zero treatment for; 3) have zero immunity against; and 4) have no cure. We've taken drastic measures for sure.

But what was the alternative? Letting millions more getting infected and put even more strain on our healthcare system for treatment of a disease that we have no vaccine or proven treatment for? Seems like there were two bad options here.

What strain? Doctors and nurses are being furloughed across the country. With the exception of NYC and a couple other hot spots, this whole thing is a big giant flop. There’s no “strain” on the system. Ventilators are being sent back. Beds are empty. And the economy is in absolute fucking shambles.

There was only ONE bad option here, but it involved ceding freedoms and control to the US government and they made the outcome look bad enough that we took it, hook line and sinker. What happens with the next novel virus? We shutting down the country again?

The healthcare system has come under strain in trying to treat and respond to this as well as the normal healthcare issues. I didn't say it was in every single hospital system nation wide.

There were 2 bad options. Thanks Trump.


I don't see you and BDK and the other "republicans" chiding Trump. If this were Obama, it'd be " Obama is destroying the country." " Obama is so far out of his depth". Maybe I missed it. I'm just trying to keep you, honest.

Actually, this is exactly what we should expect from a business man that has gone through multiple bankruptcies.

[Ibanez]

Terrible. False reporting and intentionally misleading reporting aren't necessarily the same. They aren't necessarily insidious.

I assume you, being a fair person, include Fox News in your count of Fake News networks?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4907 ... oronavirus





By Source, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=19400646

What about Fox News showing a Sarah Palin book signing with a massive crowd...but really it was from the 2008 Presidential campaign?

Or the doctored videos of Obama speeches making it appear he says things but key words have been left out?

oh and this
https://www.politifact.com/article/2015 ... news-lies/

This is probably my favorite


You want to chide CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, ABC, QRS, LUV, etc... as fake news b/c they have a bias or make mistakes. But you never call out Fox News. The one network that ideologically aligns with your views. Weird...

Such bullshit

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RIght? Those pesky facts....

My favorite is when news agencies use bad scales in their graphs.

Like this




https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-friend ... fox-charts



The Point for You, AZ and CID: All outlets lie, mislead and peddle falsehoods. Quit acting like CNN is the only one.

[BDKJMU]

Terrible. False reporting and intentionally misleading reporting aren't necessarily the same. They aren't necessarily insidious.

I assume you, being a fair person, include Fox News in your count of Fake News networks?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4907 ... oronavirus





By Source, Fair use, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=19400646

What about Fox News showing a Sarah Palin book signing with a massive crowd...but really it was from the 2008 Presidential campaign?

Or the doctored videos of Obama speeches making it appear he says things but key words have been left out?

oh and this
https://www.politifact.com/article/2015 ... news-lies/

This is probably my favorite


You want to chide CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, ABC, QRS, LUV, etc... as fake news b/c they have a bias or make mistakes. But you never call out Fox News. The one network that ideologically aligns with your views. Weird...

What does all this have to do with the ABC report being demonstrably false?


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Nothing. Its just Ibanez throwing out a trolling red herring.

[BDKJMU]

What does all this have to do with the ABC report being demonstrably false?


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Absolutely zip squat. It’s contrarian Mark being contrarian.

Yep.

[Ibanez]

What does all this have to do with the ABC report being demonstrably false?


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Nothing. Its just Ibanez throwing out a trolling red herring.

No, it isn't. It's a side topic.


And yes a troll, but a side topic nonetheless. If we want to talk about FALSE reporting with regards to Coronavirus, then Fox News must be part of that conversation since they've engaged in false reporting as well.

[BDKJMU]

Let's not conflate stop gap measures with a cure.

Staying at home, social distancing, cancelling Spring 2020 are stop gap measures to slow the spread of a disease that 1) we have never encountered; 2) have zero treatment for; 3) have zero immunity against; and 4) have no cure. We've taken drastic measures for sure.

But what was the alternative? Letting millions more getting infected and put even more strain on our healthcare system for treatment of a disease that we have no vaccine or proven treatment for? Seems like there were two bad options here.

What strain? Doctors and nurses are being furloughed across the country. With the exception of NYC and a couple other hot spots, this whole thing is a big giant flop. There’s no “strain” on the system. Ventilators are being sent back. Beds are empty. And the economy is in absolute fucking shambles.

There was only ONE bad option here, but it involved ceding freedoms and control to the US government and they made the outcome look bad enough that we took it, hook line and sinker. What happens with the next novel virus? We shutting down the country again?

And even NYC didn't need all the ventilators. The Javits Center and the hospital ship are reportely only being lightly used. 2 weeks ago when Cuomo said NYC was going to need 30k ventilators? The IHME model says NY State peak day needs 5,008 ventilators., and the ENTIRE COUNTRY only needs 16,524..

The entire country apparently had 30k generators at the start of this thing. According to press conference a couple days ago already had the 1st delivery of GM made ventilators, and by the end of June will have 110k new ventilators from all these companies making them. Going to be swimming in ventilators..

[Ibanez]

What strain? Doctors and nurses are being furloughed across the country. With the exception of NYC and a couple other hot spots, this whole thing is a big giant flop. There’s no “strain” on the system. Ventilators are being sent back. Beds are empty. And the economy is in absolute fucking shambles.

There was only ONE bad option here, but it involved ceding freedoms and control to the US government and they made the outcome look bad enough that we took it, hook line and sinker. What happens with the next novel virus? We shutting down the country again?

And even NYC didn't need all the ventilators. The Javits Center and the hospital ship are reportely only being lightly used. 2 weeks ago when Cuomo said NYC was going to need 30k ventilators? The IHME model says NY State peak day needs 5,008 ventilators., and the ENTIRE COUNTRY only needs 16,524..

The entire country apparently had 30k generators at the start of this thing. According to press conference a couple days ago already had the 1st delivery of GM made ventilators, and by the end of June will have 110k new ventilators from all these companies making them. Going to be swimming in ventilators..

Right!? Thanks Trump for fucking up the economy! Also, were those statements made back when we had less information than we do today about a disease we had never encountered nor anticipated? Asking for a friend...

Can I play Monday QB for a second? Thanks...if ONLY Trump and had taken this seriously from the very beginning maybe the infection/death count would be less and economy wouldn't be suffering.


Wait...any way you can blame Obama for this? I'm sure there's some link.

[UNI88]

What does all this have to do with the ABC report being demonstrably false?

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Nothing. Its just Ibanez throwing out a trolling red herring.

No it's not. Both sides are hypocrites. They like to b!tch and moan about the other sides' misdeeds but ignore or rationalize their own.

ABC and FOX are birds of a feather when it comes to misinformation.

[Ibanez]

Nothing. Its just Ibanez throwing out a trolling red herring.

No it's not. Both sides are hypocrites. They like to b!tch and moan about the other sides' misdeeds but ignore or rationalize their own.

ABC and FOX are birds of a feather when it comes to misinformation.

Allow me to respond for him:

"Yeah but...."

[BDKJMU]

Nothing. Its just Ibanez throwing out a trolling red herring.

No it's not. Both sides are hypocrites. They like to b!tch and moan about the other sides' misdeeds but ignore or rationalize their own.

ABC and FOX are birds of a feather when it comes to misinformation.

Yes it is. A debate about which network(s) do more Fake News was a red herring to the topic at hand. We were talking about an alleged story about November intelligence report in regards to the virus and why the story was BS- that's it.

[93henfan]

[UNI88]

No it's not. Both sides are hypocrites. They like to b!tch and moan about the other sides' misdeeds but ignore or rationalize their own.

ABC and FOX are birds of a feather when it comes to misinformation.

Yes it is. A debate about which network(s) do more Fake News was a red herring to the topic at hand. We were talking about an alleged story about November intelligence report in regards to the virus and why the story was BS- that's it.

The topic of this thread is the Coronavirus not just the November intelligence report. We've been all over the place in this thread, why are you nitpicking about a tangent comparing Fox to ABC but not nitpicking about all of the other tangents?

Are you stating that Fox has not published any misinformation regarding the coronavirus?

Their ideological bias might be different but they are just as much of a fake news networks as the others.

[GannonFan]

Yes it is. A debate about which network(s) do more Fake News was a red herring to the topic at hand. We were talking about an alleged story about November intelligence report in regards to the virus and why the story was BS- that's it.

The topic of this thread is the Coronavirus not just the November intelligence report. We've been all over the place in this thread, why are you nitpicking about a tangent comparing Fox to ABC but not nitpicking about all of the other tangents?

Are you stating that Fox has not published any misinformation regarding the coronavirus?

Their ideological bias might be different but they are just as much of a fake news networks as the others.

At this point Fox and CNN are almost polar opposites of each other ideologically, but where they are similar is in their extreme bias and their sensationalism of what they say. CNN is the left's version of Fox at this point - and I'm sure Trump would say the lower rated version at that.

[89Hen]

At this point Fox and CNN are almost polar opposites of each other ideologically, but where they are similar is in their extreme bias and their sensationalism of what they say. CNN is the left's version of Fox at this point

There are only a handful of folks here that would disagree with that.

[Ibanez]

No it's not. Both sides are hypocrites. They like to b!tch and moan about the other sides' misdeeds but ignore or rationalize their own.

ABC and FOX are birds of a feather when it comes to misinformation.

Yes it is. A debate about which network(s) do more Fake News was a red herring to the topic at hand. We were talking about an alleged story about November intelligence report in regards to the virus and why the story was BS- that's it.

And I brought up that they are hardly the only network that promotes falsehoods. Especially with regards to COVID-19 (since you seem so butt hurt that I brought up a different topic).

So what's really the problem? That I brought up conservative media or that I interjected something more into the same fucking conversation we've had about left leaning media bias?

[Ibanez]

Yes it is. A debate about which network(s) do more Fake News was a red herring to the topic at hand. We were talking about an alleged story about November intelligence report in regards to the virus and why the story was BS- that's it.

The topic of this thread is the Coronavirus not just the November intelligence report. We've been all over the place in this thread, why are you nitpicking about a tangent comparing Fox to ABC but not nitpicking about all of the other tangents?

Are you stating that Fox has not published any misinformation regarding the coronavirus?

Their ideological bias might be different but they are just as much of a fake news networks as the others.

Because I brought it up. That's why.

[Ibanez]

The topic of this thread is the Coronavirus not just the November intelligence report. We've been all over the place in this thread, why are you nitpicking about a tangent comparing Fox to ABC but not nitpicking about all of the other tangents?

Are you stating that Fox has not published any misinformation regarding the coronavirus?

Their ideological bias might be different but they are just as much of a fake news networks as the others.

At this point Fox and CNN are almost polar opposites of each other ideologically, but where they are similar is in their extreme bias and their sensationalism of what they say. CNN is the left's version of Fox at this point - and I'm sure Trump would say the lower rated version at that.

Agree 100%. Sensationalism and Opinion-Based vs. Fact Based reporting at it's best.

[UNI88]

At this point Fox and CNN are almost polar opposites of each other ideologically, but where they are similar is in their extreme bias and their sensationalism of what they say. CNN is the left's version of Fox at this point - and I'm sure Trump would say the lower rated version at that.

Agree 100%. Sensationalism and Opinion-Based propaganda vs. Fact Based reporting at it's best.

FYP