Confederate Battle Flag Poll

[Skjellyfetti]

Most of the complaints I've heard don't really address injustices of the 1960's, but rather that someone's white ancestors owned someone else's ancestors 200 years ago and they need to get paid for that somehow today.

Really? Most of the complaints about the Confederate flag you've heard involve reparations?

[Ibanez]

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God, sometimes you really show your ass.

1) Washington and Jefferson we're slave owning traitors. The only reason you give them a pass Is because they won. And that's a direct quote from you.

Yes they owned slaves. But no one is celebrating them for that. Yes, they won. That alone sets them apart from the southern losers.

I have no problem honoring someone like Robert E. Lee for his contributions to the United States.

Having lived here longer than anyone in this board. Being from a redneck family and knowing people who do honor Calhoun...none of them honor him because of slavery. Most people honestly don't know Calhouns story.


Besides, nice deflection on Washington. It's still hypocritical.

[Ibanez]

The Stars and Stripes represent a nation built on treason. You seem to ignore that fact. The flag also continues to dehumanize people long after the 4 yr existence of the CSA.


But, they won in 1783 so it's all good. A bunch of white guys didn't want to pay their taxes, fought and won. But hey, they won.

You laugh but it's 100% true. Calhoun isn't the problem. He never was the problem. Like the flag, he's a scapegoat for institutional racism. Removing his statue won't change people's feelings for the better.


PEOPLE have to change and removing s symbol won't be any help.

[Skjellyfetti]

Redneck confronts Confederate flag protestor with rifle.

A man carrying a loaded semiautomatic rifle confronted local activist Willie Hudspeth on Monday night as he held a sign protesting the Confederate soldier memorial on Denton’s downtown Square.

Police quickly came to the scene, and a bystander said the man with the gun forfeited his ammunition to law enforcement before leaving the scene with his rifle.

The man identified himself as Stephen Passariello in a comment on a Denton Record-Chronicle Facebook post about the confrontation. Passariello said he took a loaded gun with him “to make a point.” He never intended to shoot anyone, he said.

http://www.dentonrc.com/local-news/loca ... tester.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;





Dylann Roof really started a movement.

[dbackjon]

Yes they owned slaves. But no one is celebrating them for that. Yes, they won. That alone sets them apart from the southern losers.

I have no problem honoring someone like Robert E. Lee for his contributions to the United States.

Having lived here longer than anyone in this board. Being from a redneck family and knowing people who do honor Calhoun...none of them honor him because of slavery. Most people honestly don't know Calhouns story.


Besides, nice deflection on Washington. It's still hypocritical.

Only to someone that doesn't understand history.

[ASUG8]

Most of the complaints I've heard don't really address injustices of the 1960's, but rather that someone's white ancestors owned someone else's ancestors 200 years ago and they need to get paid for that somehow today.

Really? Most of the complaints about the Confederate flag you've heard involve reparations?

Now I know you're trolling.

[Ibanez]

Having lived here longer than anyone in this board. Being from a redneck family and knowing people who do honor Calhoun...none of them honor him because of slavery. Most people honestly don't know Calhouns story.


Besides, nice deflection on Washington. It's still hypocritical.

Only to someone that doesn't understand history.

I agree. You don't. You think your an authority on everything but here, you're wrong. And there isn't any talking with you because you're so convinced of your own intelligence when all you know are what you've read in quick spurts before a flag rally or what Democratic Underground has told you.

Washington, Jefferson, Calhoun were like everyone else of their times: a racists by today's terms.

Your problem, and the problem of most people, is that you were taught something and then that was reinforced. The problem is that you don't get the whole story. You don't get the 360 view. Calhoun was a slave holding, states rights War Hawk. He was pro-slavery like most of America, including the Republican congress during the Civil War. But, in 2015, people aren't rallying against calls for his statue because he was pro-slavery. It's the preservation of our history.

I'm not trying to be insulting but you are out of your depth.

The difference between him and Washington is a few decades and military service. Both were slaveholding, politicians. Avoid that all you want or make stupid comments but I'm 100% correct.

[Ibanez]

Redneck confronts Confederate flag protestor with rifle.

A man carrying a loaded semiautomatic rifle confronted local activist Willie Hudspeth on Monday night as he held a sign protesting the Confederate soldier memorial on Denton’s downtown Square.

Police quickly came to the scene, and a bystander said the man with the gun forfeited his ammunition to law enforcement before leaving the scene with his rifle.

The man identified himself as Stephen Passariello in a comment on a Denton Record-Chronicle Facebook post about the confrontation. Passariello said he took a loaded gun with him “to make a point.” He never intended to shoot anyone, he said.

http://www.dentonrc.com/local-news/loca ... tester.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;





Dylann Roof really started a movement.

I hope we hang Dylan Roof from the highest structure in Charleston.

[dbackjon]

Only to someone that doesn't understand history.

I agree. You don't. You think your an authority on everything but here, you're wrong. And there isn't any talking with you because you're so convinced of your own intelligence when all you know are what you've read in quick spurts before a flag rally or what Democratic Underground has told you.

Washington, Jefferson, Calhoun were like everyone else of their times: a racists by today's terms.

Your problem, and the problem of most people, is that you were taught something and then that was reinforced. The problem is that you don't get the whole story. You don't get the 360 view. Calhoun was a slave holding, states rights War Hawk. He was pro-slavery like most of America, including the Republican congress during the Civil War. But, in 2015, people aren't rallying against calls for his statue because he was pro-slavery. It's the preservation of our history.

I'm not trying to be insulting but you are out of your depth.

The difference between him and Washington is a few decades and military service. Both were slaveholding, politicians. Avoid that all you want or make stupid comments but I'm 100% correct.

I think your posts on here clearly indict I have a firmer grasp of US History than you do, at least on this subject.

You are probably too close to the subject matter, so your biases on this are showing.

Either that, or you don't understand the conversation.

[Baldy]

dback is a good troll. He deserves props for trying even though nobody is biting.

No one is biting?

Mark doesn't count.

[OL FU]

I wonder if dback is so adamant about the traitor thing because he really gives a **** or if he knows it just gets under some people's skin

I post, you decide


I don't understand the glorification of a lost cause, a cause that existed solely to enslave other humans. The confederacy is nothing to be proud of. Southerners can be proud of other unique things to the South, but the confederacy is something that should be scorned, not romanticized.

Beats me. As usual I have no clue

And yes I am proud of the south for lots of reasons. One is how fact from the past we have actually moved. Another is...,,,, the music of this country is ........ Southern. The best of it black southern.

[Ibanez]

I agree. You don't. You think your an authority on everything but here, you're wrong. And there isn't any talking with you because you're so convinced of your own intelligence when all you know are what you've read in quick spurts before a flag rally or what Democratic Underground has told you.

Washington, Jefferson, Calhoun were like everyone else of their times: a racists by today's terms.

Your problem, and the problem of most people, is that you were taught something and then that was reinforced. The problem is that you don't get the whole story. You don't get the 360 view. Calhoun was a slave holding, states rights War Hawk. He was pro-slavery like most of America, including the Republican congress during the Civil War. But, in 2015, people aren't rallying against calls for his statue because he was pro-slavery. It's the preservation of our history.

I'm not trying to be insulting but you are out of your depth.

The difference between him and Washington is a few decades and military service. Both were slaveholding, politicians. Avoid that all you want or make stupid comments but I'm 100% correct.

I think your posts on here clearly indict I have a firmer grasp of US History than you do, at least on this subject.

You are probably too close to the subject matter, so your biases on this are showing.

Either that, or you don't understand the conversation.

Even I'm not this fucking arrogant. You have a knowledge of history but you have not proven that you have a deep understanding of anything beyond High School history class. Biased? I'm so anti-Confederacy my family calls me a Yankee. I don't need to qualify myself. I've done the work. I still do it. Most Americans have an executive summary version of American history.

If you have a grasp of anything, it's not coming through. You are so biased, and that goes for everything. Perhaps you should read this thread where I'm for removing the battle flag from the capital grounds. I do not approve of removing it from appropriate places like battlefields and monuments. I am not for removing structures because they make some people uncomfortable.

Yes, Calhoun was a pro-slavery war hawk. But he isn't being honored. He's being remembered. But you are here and I'm not. You're hearing the conversations that are being held in the public forums and around town. Mainstream news presented a view of Charleston that was so biased (shocker). In the days after June 17 (16?) there was a groundswell of love and support. Turn on MSNBC or CNN and all they talked about was murder and the confederate flag.

Taking Dukes of Hazzard off the air (but keeping Hogans Heros) won't change the KKK. It won't change the Black Panthers and if you think, you're out of your mind. Removing a flag, changing a street won't stop Billy Bob from teaching his son hate. It won't stop klean from blaming all whites (you) for everything.

My bias? Yeah. I'm for preserving my city and states history. There's nothing wrong with that, generally. I'm not for keeping symbols of hate where they don't belong.

[Ibanez]

I post, you decide


I don't understand the glorification of a lost cause, a cause that existed solely to enslave other humans. The confederacy is nothing to be proud of. Southerners can be proud of other unique things to the South, but the confederacy is something that should be scorned, not romanticized.

Beats me. As usual I have no clue

And yes I am proud of the south for lots of reasons. One is how fact from the past we have actually moved. Another is...,,,, the music of this country is ........ Southern. The best of it black southern.

The blues man. Love the blues.

[HI54UNI]

[Skjellyfetti]

And, rock, jazz, country, soul, etc. etc.

American music IS Southern music. Because of the diaspora... some other pockets formed like Chicago and New York. But, everything started in the South.

Already posted this in the thread, but I'll post again...

The South's Heritage Is So Much More Than a Flag
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/09/magaz ... -flag.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BDKJMU]

Redneck confronts Confederate flag protestor with rifle.

A man carrying a loaded semiautomatic rifle confronted local activist Willie Hudspeth on Monday night as he held a sign protesting the Confederate soldier memorial on Denton’s downtown Square.

Police quickly came to the scene, and a bystander said the man with the gun forfeited his ammunition to law enforcement before leaving the scene with his rifle.

The man identified himself as Stephen Passariello in a comment on a Denton Record-Chronicle Facebook post about the confrontation. Passariello said he took a loaded gun with him “to make a point.” He never intended to shoot anyone, he said.

http://www.dentonrc.com/local-news/loca ... tester.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;





Dylann Roof really started a movement.

So they took the flag down and dumbasses are still at the state capital complaining?

[BDKJMU]

I wonder if dback is so adamant about the traitor thing because he really gives a **** or if he knows it just gets under some people's skin

I post, you decide


I don't understand the glorification of a lost cause, a cause that existed solely to enslave other humans. The confederacy is nothing to be proud of. Southerners can be proud of other unique things to the South, but the confederacy is something that should be scorned, not romanticized.

You're ignorance is on full display..

[Ibanez]

And, rock, jazz, country, soul, etc. etc.

American music IS Southern music. Because of the diaspora... some other pockets formed like Chicago and New York. But, everything started in the South.

Already posted this in the thread, but I'll post again...

The South's Heritage Is So Much More Than a Flag
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/09/magaz ... -flag.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well said. That flag doesn't define us

[Ibanez]

I wonder if dback is so adamant about the traitor thing because he really gives a shit or if he knows it just gets under some people's skin

I post, you decide


I don't understand the glorification of a lost cause, a cause that existed solely to enslave other humans. The confederacy is nothing to be proud of. Southerners can be proud of other unique things to the South, but the confederacy is something that should be scorned, not romanticized.

Don't generalize southerners. Not all of us are like that. That'd be like me saying all gays are like Liberace.

I see hicks everyday. I think it's this thread where I've failed against the lost cause. It's ridiculous.

Don't look at the Klan and think for a minute they represent us. The CSA was a TERRIBLE idea. Secession was a bad idea. But don't give the North a pass. They benefited from slavery and fought to preserve the status quo.

[Skjellyfetti]

So they took the flag down and dumbasses are still at the state capital complaining?

You don't read too well, do ya?

[kalm]

And, rock, jazz, country, soul, etc. etc.

American music IS Southern music. Because of the diaspora... some other pockets formed like Chicago and New York. But, everything started in the South.

Already posted this in the thread, but I'll post again...

The South's Heritage Is So Much More Than a Flag
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/09/magaz ... -flag.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh for fucks sake!

[OL FU]

And, rock, jazz, country, soul, etc. etc.

American music IS Southern music. Because of the diaspora... some other pockets formed like Chicago and New York. But, everything started in the South.

Already posted this in the thread, but I'll post again...

The South's Heritage Is So Much More Than a Flag
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/09/magaz ... -flag.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh for **** sake!

You don't like music?

[Baldy]

Oh for **** sake!

You don't like music?

Apparently he doesn't...

[kalm]

Oh for **** sake!

You don't like music?

Let's not getting carried away now.

Rock music derived mainly from Delta Blues and R&B. But let's not forget what R&B turned into in the modern era. Remember the 1980's?

American music, while rooted in the south is not Southern music. Southern music influence is a component of it.

And what about the origins of punk? It was a rejection of the direction that rock had taken and was heavily influenced by reggae.

How about western music? As influenced by folk ballads from Britain and Mexico as Appalachia and purely a regional genre of it's own.

The bread clip was invented in Washington State. American bread clips are Washington bread clips.

[kalm]

You don't like music?

Apparently he doesn't...

Listen motherfucker. During my last guitar lesson we were working on "Keep your Hands to Yourself"!