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[Chizzang]

I don’t want a Christian nation...I want a nation that follows its Constitution as written...

This ^ part right here gave me a boner...
Sorry...

[Col Hogan]

This ^ part right here gave me a boner...
Sorry...

I didn’t realize you had just taken your blue pill...

[dbackjon]

Only when it is beneficial to scare the church-goers into voting against "something evil". The rest of the time the country worships the dollar. If it was a true Christian nation, we would have universal healthcare, welcome refugees, take care of the poor, etc.

I’d suggest you do one of a few things to achieve your vision of a true Christian nation...

1. Change the Constitution to allow the federal government to provide universial healthcare, because it currently isn’t a federal responsibility. I know folks like you and Trip don’t like hearing that, but it is a fact. But fear not, the Constitution has a method of changing it, proving how progressive the founding fathers were...and I agree with this. But it does take some work that I doubt you want to take on.

2. Void the Constitution and start all over...hold on to your hat for that one, because I believe that will entail a civil war of some kind...

3. Keep passing laws like Obamacare, allow anybody who wants to claim refugee status to come in, and redistribute the wealth of those who have made money to pay to improve the situation of the poor...and eventually, we wil become Venezuela-North...

Christ said we wil always have the poor, but told us to help the poor...and if we don’t we will be judged accordingly...

He never said for the government to take responsibility of accomplishing that...

The United States is not, and never has been, a Christian country in the sense that Christian faiths are official religions of the country...

Judeo-Christian philosophy was the Founders basis for developing the Constitution...but they knew this country was populated by people escaping various forms of religious persecution...

I don’t want a Christian nation...I want a nation that follows its Constitution as written...

The Constitution allows for universal healthcare.
Who said anything about voiding the Constitution? Other than Right-wing wackos
LOL on #3 - we are already redistributing the wealth - upwards. A higher tax rate IS needed, and would lead to greater prosperity for all. Republicans SUCK at economics. Proven Fact.
He never said not too - rend unto Cesar.

It is funny how "Christians" want to use Government to enforce their morality, but when it comes to what Jesus preached, it is suddenly "not what Jesus would have wanted"

No, you want a nation with your version of the Constitution.

[Col Hogan]

I’d suggest you do one of a few things to achieve your vision of a true Christian nation...

1. Change the Constitution to allow the federal government to provide universial healthcare, because it currently isn’t a federal responsibility. I know folks like you and Trip don’t like hearing that, but it is a fact. But fear not, the Constitution has a method of changing it, proving how progressive the founding fathers were...and I agree with this. But it does take some work that I doubt you want to take on.

2. Void the Constitution and start all over...hold on to your hat for that one, because I believe that will entail a civil war of some kind...

3. Keep passing laws like Obamacare, allow anybody who wants to claim refugee status to come in, and redistribute the wealth of those who have made money to pay to improve the situation of the poor...and eventually, we wil become Venezuela-North...

Christ said we wil always have the poor, but told us to help the poor...and if we don’t we will be judged accordingly...

He never said for the government to take responsibility of accomplishing that...

The United States is not, and never has been, a Christian country in the sense that Christian faiths are official religions of the country...

Judeo-Christian philosophy was the Founders basis for developing the Constitution...but they knew this country was populated by people escaping various forms of religious persecution...

I don’t want a Christian nation...I want a nation that follows its Constitution as written...

The Constitution allows for universal healthcare. Show me where...
Who said anything about voiding the Constitution? Other than Right-wing wackos Trip has said it...called the Constitution just a “social contract”
LOL on #3 - we are already redistributing the wealth - upwards. A higher tax rate IS needed, and would lead to greater prosperity for all. Republicans SUCK at economics. Proven Fact.
He never said not too - rend unto Cesar.

It is funny how "Christians" want to use Government to enforce their morality, but when it comes to what Jesus preached, it is suddenly "not what Jesus would have wanted" What is my morality that I want enforced???

No, you want a nation with your version of the Constitution.I have no version other than what it written

[CID1990]

I’d suggest you do one of a few things to achieve your vision of a true Christian nation...

1. Change the Constitution to allow the federal government to provide universial healthcare, because it currently isn’t a federal responsibility. I know folks like you and Trip don’t like hearing that, but it is a fact. But fear not, the Constitution has a method of changing it, proving how progressive the founding fathers were...and I agree with this. But it does take some work that I doubt you want to take on.

2. Void the Constitution and start all over...hold on to your hat for that one, because I believe that will entail a civil war of some kind...

3. Keep passing laws like Obamacare, allow anybody who wants to claim refugee status to come in, and redistribute the wealth of those who have made money to pay to improve the situation of the poor...and eventually, we wil become Venezuela-North...

Christ said we wil always have the poor, but told us to help the poor...and if we don’t we will be judged accordingly...

He never said for the government to take responsibility of accomplishing that...

The United States is not, and never has been, a Christian country in the sense that Christian faiths are official religions of the country...

Judeo-Christian philosophy was the Founders basis for developing the Constitution...but they knew this country was populated by people escaping various forms of religious persecution...

I don’t want a Christian nation...I want a nation that follows its Constitution as written...

The Constitution allows for universal healthcare.

please tell me more



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[css75]

It used to be, but we are in the beginning of a post-Christian phase. God help us.

Or the Christian God isn't the true one and whatever's up there is angry that America sought guidance of a false idol in Christ. But if the all knowing Christian God is running the show, he's gotta have a reason that America's turning less Christian...amirite?

Just gotta trust in the grand plan. Either that or your religion is the wrong one.

I trust in the grand plan, I know I am ok, not sure about others.


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[css75]

Is this a Christian country?

Only when it is beneficial to scare the church-goers into voting against "something evil". The rest of the time the country worships the dollar. If it was a true Christian nation, we would have universal healthcare, welcome refugees, take care of the poor, etc.

No, the churches used to provide this, but the government thought they were better at it and took over.

Bible says to do all things decent and in order, the immigration system is anything but that.


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[Grizalltheway]

Only when it is beneficial to scare the church-goers into voting against "something evil". The rest of the time the country worships the dollar. If it was a true Christian nation, we would have universal healthcare, welcome refugees, take care of the poor, etc.

No, the churches used to provide this, but the government thought they were better at it and took over.

Bible says to do all things decent and in order, the immigration system is anything but that.


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The churches used to provide healthcare for those who couldn't afford it? Please tell me more.

[∞∞∞]

No, the churches used to provide this, but the government thought they were better at it and took over.

Bible says to do all things decent and in order, the immigration system is anything but that.


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The churches used to provide healthcare for those who couldn't afford it? Please tell me more.

As long as they were Christian.

It's like missionaries that teach people to read...if they read the Bible. What kind-hearted intentions.

[kalm]

No, the churches used to provide this, but the government thought they were better at it and took over.

Bible says to do all things decent and in order, the immigration system is anything but that.


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The churches used to provide healthcare for those who couldn't afford it? Please tell me more.

[Col Hogan]

The churches used to provide healthcare for those who couldn't afford it? Please tell me more.

As long as they were Christian.

It's like missionaries that teach people to read...if they read the Bible. What kind-hearted intentions.

Please show an example of someone being rejected from a Catholic or Lutheran (biggest operators of hospitals) hospital due to their religion, or lack there of...

I’ll wait...but I know you’ll ignore this because those religious hospitals provided healthcare to all in their communities, regardless of ability to pay or their faith...

[∞∞∞]

As long as they were Christian.

It's like missionaries that teach people to read...if they read the Bible. What kind-hearted intentions.

Please show an example of someone being rejected from a Catholic or Lutheran (biggest operators of hospitals) hospital due to their religion, or lack there of...

I’ll wait...but I know you’ll ignore this because those religious hospitals provided healthcare to all in their communities, regardless of ability to pay or their faith...

Happens all the time, especially with women's healthcare. Of course you can't legally turn away the patient (thank you federal government), but hospitals can certainly deny them the healthcare they actually need based on religion reasons. This is especially true as the Trump administration has strengthened the religious "rights" of healthcare organizations, including hospitals.

[Col Hogan]

Please show an example of someone being rejected from a Catholic or Lutheran (biggest operators of hospitals) hospital due to their religion, or lack there of...

I’ll wait...but I know you’ll ignore this because those religious hospitals provided healthcare to all in their communities, regardless of ability to pay or their faith...

Happens all the time, especially with women's healthcare. Of course you can't legally turn away the patient (thank you federal government), but hospitals can certainly deny them the healthcare they actually need based on religion reasons. This is especially true as the Trump administration has strengthened the religious "rights" of healthcare organizations, including hospitals.

Abortion does not equal healthcare...

So what you’re Saying is you got nothing...

[Ibanez]

Only when it is beneficial to scare the church-goers into voting against "something evil". The rest of the time the country worships the dollar. If it was a true Christian nation, we would have universal healthcare, welcome refugees, take care of the poor, etc.

I’d suggest you do one of a few things to achieve your vision of a true Christian nation...

1. Change the Constitution to allow the federal government to provide universial healthcare, because it currently isn’t a federal responsibility. I know folks like you and Trip don’t like hearing that, but it is a fact. But fear not, the Constitution has a method of changing it, proving how progressive the founding fathers were...and I agree with this. But it does take some work that I doubt you want to take on.

2. Void the Constitution and start all over...hold on to your hat for that one, because I believe that will entail a civil war of some kind...

3. Keep passing laws like Obamacare, allow anybody who wants to claim refugee status to come in, and redistribute the wealth of those who have made money to pay to improve the situation of the poor...and eventually, we wil become Venezuela-North...

Christ said we wil always have the poor, but told us to help the poor...and if we don’t we will be judged accordingly...

He never said for the government to take responsibility of accomplishing that...

The United States is not, and never has been, a Christian country in the sense that Christian faiths are official religions of the country...

Judeo-Christian philosophy was the Founders basis for developing the Constitution...but they knew this country was populated by people escaping various forms of religious persecution...

I don’t want a Christian nation...I want a nation that follows its Constitution as written...

[∞∞∞]

Happens all the time, especially with women's healthcare. Of course you can't legally turn away the patient (thank you federal government), but hospitals can certainly deny them the healthcare they actually need based on religion reasons. This is especially true as the Trump administration has strengthened the religious "rights" of healthcare organizations, including hospitals.

Abortion does not equal healthcare...

So what you’re Saying is you got nothing...

We're not talking about voluntary abortions. We're talking about abortions due to miscarriages and other complications, which seriously put women at risk. And affiliated hospitals refusing to do it.

[Ibanez]

No, the churches used to provide this, but the government thought they were better at it and took over.

Bible says to do all things decent and in order, the immigration system is anything but that.


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The churches used to provide healthcare for those who couldn't afford it? Please tell me more.

Yes...I'd love to hear this.

Meanwhile, anyone here heard of HealthShare? I just heard about it a few weeks ago.

[css75]

No, the churches used to provide this, but the government thought they were better at it and took over.

Bible says to do all things decent and in order, the immigration system is anything but that.


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The churches used to provide healthcare for those who couldn't afford it? Please tell me more.

Catholics used to operate a bunch of churches till Medicare started and the profiteers bought them up.


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[css75]

The churches used to provide healthcare for those who couldn't afford it? Please tell me more.

As long as they were Christian.

It's like missionaries that teach people to read...if they read the Bible. What kind-hearted intentions.

Prove it, even the Mormons treat all faiths.


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[css75]

Abortion does not equal healthcare...

So what you’re Saying is you got nothing...

We're not talking about voluntary abortions. We're talking about abortions due to miscarriages and other complications, which seriously put women at risk. And affiliated hospitals refusing to do it.

I worked ER for quite awhile, the biggest offenders were County and city hospitals, they dumped a lot of patients on us, Catholics very few.


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[css75]

The churches used to provide healthcare for those who couldn't afford it? Please tell me more.

Yes...I'd love to hear this.

Meanwhile, anyone here heard of HealthShare? I just heard about it a few weeks ago.

I have heard of MediShare, a friend of mine has it, son broke his neck diving into pool. 100% covered and a complete recovery.


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[Grizalltheway]

The churches used to provide healthcare for those who couldn't afford it? Please tell me more.

Catholics used to operate a bunch of churches till Medicare started and the profiteers bought them up.


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We're talking about preventative care and other things here, not just people showing up at the ER.

[Baldy]

Abortion does not equal healthcare...

So what you’re Saying is you got nothing...

We're not talking about voluntary abortions. We're talking about abortions due to miscarriages and other complications, which seriously put women at risk. And affiliated hospitals refusing to do it.

Cool story bro, but this virtually (99.99% of the time) NEVER happens.

[Chizzang]

We're not talking about voluntary abortions. We're talking about abortions due to miscarriages and other complications, which seriously put women at risk. And affiliated hospitals refusing to do it.

Cool story bro, but this virtually (99.99% of the time) NEVER happens.

Yup,
My sisters been a nurse for 30 years
She's got friends that work at the Catholic Hospital (actually work at both, they share doctors)

The Catholic Hospital will always save the patient
and tend to have great nurses too I'm told



They will always save the mother

[kalm]

I’d suggest you do one of a few things to achieve your vision of a true Christian nation...

1. Change the Constitution to allow the federal government to provide universial healthcare, because it currently isn’t a federal responsibility. I know folks like you and Trip don’t like hearing that, but it is a fact. But fear not, the Constitution has a method of changing it, proving how progressive the founding fathers were...and I agree with this. But it does take some work that I doubt you want to take on.

2. Void the Constitution and start all over...hold on to your hat for that one, because I believe that will entail a civil war of some kind...

3. Keep passing laws like Obamacare, allow anybody who wants to claim refugee status to come in, and redistribute the wealth of those who have made money to pay to improve the situation of the poor...and eventually, we wil become Venezuela-North...

Christ said we wil always have the poor, but told us to help the poor...and if we don’t we will be judged accordingly...

He never said for the government to take responsibility of accomplishing that...

The United States is not, and never has been, a Christian country in the sense that Christian faiths are official religions of the country...

Judeo-Christian philosophy was the Founders basis for developing the Constitution...but they knew this country was populated by people escaping various forms of religious persecution...

I don’t want a Christian nation...I want a nation that follows its Constitution as written...

Which principles? All principles? Or did the founders cherry pick just the good ones?

[Col Hogan]

Which principles? All principles? Or did the founders cherry pick just the good ones?

Here, you tell me...


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