The Iran War

[dbackjon]

You knew it wouldn't take long for the liberals to defend violent Islamic fundamentalism.

It's what you all do.

You knew it wouldn't take long for Conservatives to misrepresent facts and positions.

[kalm]

What does Iran gain by launching an impotent response?

[dbackjon]

Are you fucking kidding me you douchebag? It IS Trump's fault.....are you a fucking moron?

How is it Trump's fault? Iran attacked us, killing an American citizen, so we responded in kind, killing the General responsible for it. All square.

Now they're attacking American troops.

We're completely justified in leveling them now. It's all their fault.

So we should have bombed Saudi Arabia as well. North Korea when they killed Otto Wambler. Russia as well.

[93henfan]

How is it Trump's fault? Iran attacked us, killing an American citizen, so we responded in kind, killing the General responsible for it. All square.

Now they're attacking American troops.

We're completely justified in leveling them now. It's all their fault.

So we should have bombed Saudi Arabia as well. North Korea when they killed Otto Wambler. Russia as well.

When was the last time they took Americans hostage from or attacked our Embassy. Twice.

[kalm]

How is it Trump's fault? Iran attacked us, killing an American citizen, so we responded in kind, killing the General responsible for it. All square.

Now they're attacking American troops.

We're completely justified in leveling them now. It's all their fault.

So we should have bombed Saudi Arabia as well. North Korea when they killed Otto Wambler. Russia as well.

That’s a good point.

I’m going to referee this match.

93?

[93henfan]

So we should have bombed Saudi Arabia as well. North Korea when they killed Otto Wambler. Russia as well.

That’s a good point.

I’m going to referee this match.

93?

Seriously? You're going to defend Iran too?

Wow.

I answered already, by the way. Keep up.

[dbackjon]

So we should have bombed Saudi Arabia as well. North Korea when they killed Otto Wambler. Russia as well.

When was the last time they took Americans hostage from or attacked our Embassy. Twice.

North Korea has taken Americans hostage. Saudi attacked our soil.

Of course, Saudi Arabia now OWNS our embassies, so there is that.

[93henfan]

Trump is a weak man.....he will never strike back.

It really depends on casualties. If Americans died tonight, he will strike back.

If not, the Iranians look really dumb. How could you fire over a dozen ballistic missiles and not kill an American?

We'll know more when we know more. Right now it's hard to speculate how Trump will respond.

He's done everything right so far.

[JohnStOnge]

Well, the word is Iran can cause a real quagmire situation for us with all its proxies and such. Kind of surprised they'd be that up front but on the other hand, as far as I can tell, they've historically been willing to take a lot of punishment.

I was one that argued that we could've won Vietnam if we'd been ruthless enough. I guess my theory might be about to be put to the test. Might about to be a whole lot of guerrilla warfare going on.

So...I guess there are differences people like Cid can talk about. But I wonder about us getting into something like this when we haven't been able to subdue the Taliban. I mean, I don't know, but my gut feeling is that this is going to be a lot tougher than the Taliban.

[93henfan]

When was the last time they took Americans hostage from or attacked our Embassy. Twice.

North Korea has taken Americans hostage. Saudi attacked our soil.

Of course, Saudi Arabia now OWNS our embassies, so there is that.

So when did they attack our embassies again? If you addressed that, I missed it.

[CID1990]

And yet people want to blame Trump.

Hmmm - no missiles were being fired until Trump did. Should any country not be able to defend themselves?

What was the point of the killing? No, not mourning him, but when you take this extra-ordinary step, there has to be a plan and an endgame.

US bases have been under rocket attacks for weeks now- from Iran supplied militias in Iraq. The only difference now is that these are coming from within Iran itself. But to suggest missile weren’t being fired before now is not accurate.


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[93henfan]

Well, the word is Iran can cause a real quagmire situation for us with all its proxies and such. Kind of surprised they'd be that up front but on the other hand, as far as I can tell, they've historically been willing to take a lot of punishment.

I was one that argued that we could've won Vietnam if we'd been ruthless enough. I guess my theory might be about to be put to the test. Might about to be a whole lot of guerrilla warfare going on.

So...I guess there are differences people like Cid can talk about. But I wonder about us getting into something like this when we haven't been able to subdue the Taliban. I mean, I don't know, but my gut feeling is that this is going to be a lot tougher than the Taliban.

We're not going to fight a conventional war in Iran. The American public doesn't have the stomach for that.

Read the rest of the thread, starting from page one. We've covered this.

[JohnStOnge]

Trump is a weak man.....he will never strike back.

It really depends on casualties. If Americans died tonight, he will strike back.

If not, the Iranians look really dumb. How could you fire over a dozen ballistic missiles and not kill an American?

We'll know more when we know more. Right now it's hard to speculate how Trump will respond.

He's done everything right so far.

It'll be interesting to see if what happened today is all there is prior to our response. We could see other attacks using other modalities. The word is they've got assassins all over the place in the Middle East.

[93henfan]

It really depends on casualties. If Americans died tonight, he will strike back.

If not, the Iranians look really dumb. How could you fire over a dozen ballistic missiles and not kill an American?

We'll know more when we know more. Right now it's hard to speculate how Trump will respond.

He's done everything right so far.

It'll be interesting to see if what happened today is all there is prior to our response. We could see other attacks using other modalities. The word is they've got assassins all over the place in the Middle East.

Psst. So do we. Don't tell anyone.

[JohnStOnge]

Well, the word is Iran can cause a real quagmire situation for us with all its proxies and such. Kind of surprised they'd be that up front but on the other hand, as far as I can tell, they've historically been willing to take a lot of punishment.

I was one that argued that we could've won Vietnam if we'd been ruthless enough. I guess my theory might be about to be put to the test. Might about to be a whole lot of guerrilla warfare going on.

So...I guess there are differences people like Cid can talk about. But I wonder about us getting into something like this when we haven't been able to subdue the Taliban. I mean, I don't know, but my gut feeling is that this is going to be a lot tougher than the Taliban.

We're not going to fight a conventional war in Iran. The American public doesn't have the stomach for that.

Read the rest of the thread, starting from page one. We've covered this.

I didn't say it's going to be a conventional war. But, since you've discussed it, I would not put it past Trump to put us into a position where that's what happens. One thing leads to another.

[CID1990]

What does Iran gain by launching an impotent response?

De-escalation while remaining credible at home

Let’s see what they targeted first. If it was infrastructure and there were no casualties then this may have been a shrewd move by Iran

If there were casualties then all bets are off.


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[kalm]

That’s a good point.

I’m going to referee this match.

93?

Seriously? You're going to defend Iran too?

Wow.

I answered already, by the way. Keep up.

I’m not defending Iran.

Consider me more of a local parks and rec youth soccer ref. If you don’t show more respect I’m going ask you to leave the playground.

[kalm]

What does Iran gain by launching an impotent response?

De-escalation while remaining credible at home

Let’s see what they targeted first. If it was infrastructure and there were no casualties then this may have been a shrewd move by Iran

If there were casualties then all bets are off.


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Makes sense. Thx!

[JohnStOnge]

It'll be interesting to see if what happened today is all there is prior to our response. We could see other attacks using other modalities. The word is they've got assassins all over the place in the Middle East.

Psst. So do we. Don't tell anyone.

No. I don't think we have what they have in that regard. We have lots of advantages. But I don't think we have what they have in terms of "organic" support among people mixed in with the populations that will engage in guerrilla warfare on our behalf.

[JohnStOnge]

What does Iran gain by launching an impotent response?

De-escalation while remaining credible at home

Let’s see what they targeted first. If it was infrastructure and there were no casualties then this may have been a shrewd move by Iran

If there were casualties then all bets are off.


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What do you think about the fact that they are claiming there are casualties? If it turns our there aren't any casualties, will they feel like they have to do something else?

[93henfan]

De-escalation while remaining credible at home

Let’s see what they targeted first. If it was infrastructure and there were no casualties then this may have been a shrewd move by Iran

If there were casualties then all bets are off.


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Makes sense. Thx!

I covered that earlier on this page. Speaking of a lack of respect...

[93henfan]

White House meeting has broken up and everyone is going to bed.

Well that was a big nothing burger. Happy if no American lives were lost.

Exactly. I'm guessing Iran didn't kill any Americans. Too scared.

They know not to poke us too hard. I don't think they really want to sign their own death warrants, like Soleimani did.

[93henfan]

Markets and gas should stay fairly steady if Iran bombed barbed wire. That's good for everyone.

[CID1990]

De-escalation while remaining credible at home

Let’s see what they targeted first. If it was infrastructure and there were no casualties then this may have been a shrewd move by Iran

If there were casualties then all bets are off.


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What do you think about the fact that they are claiming there are casualties? If it turns our there aren't any casualties, will they feel like they have to do something else?

The Iranians claim lots of things.

If they targeted infrastructure only we’ll know it. And if that’s what happened and there are no casualties then they may have achieved their goal - look strong at home but deescalate the immediate crisis.

I find it odd how someone who considers Trump to be a madman also lends the benefit of the doubt to Iranian theocrats though -

you might want to get that checked


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[JohnStOnge]

What do you think about the fact that they are claiming there are casualties? If it turns our there aren't any casualties, will they feel like they have to do something else?

The Iranians claim lots of things.

If they targeted infrastructure only we’ll know it. And if that’s what happened and there are no casualties then they may have achieved their goal - look strong at home but deescalate the immediate crisis.

I find it odd how someone who considers Trump to be a madman also lends the benefit of the doubt to Iranian theocrats though -

you might want to get that checked


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No. I am just asking you about the fact that they seem to think it's important to say there were casualties. I saw a report on that tonight. If they are claiming there are casualties then it turns out that there are no casualties does that compromise their effort to look strong?

I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt at all. I'm just saying that the idea of being able to say they inflicted casualties appears to be important to them.