The Ukraine Crisis

[kalm]

So hard to keep track of who the fascists are these days.

to illiberals, trump is a fascist. to MAGAts, Ukraine is filled with fascists.

But Elon Musk has been selling military tech to Ukraine so where does he fall in this? Transgender Nazi hero of the alt right? Or?

[houndawg]

Germany says that it now knows who sabotaged the pipeline, but won't say. Hmmm. Certainly can't be Russia then.

I'll ask again. Who made the choice to screw Germany over?

I thought you said it was Poland?

[UNI88]

Germany says that it now knows who sabotaged the pipeline, but won't say. Hmmm. Certainly can't be Russia then.

I'll ask again. Who made the choice to screw Germany over?

I thought you said it was Poland?

We're talking about 2022 not 1939 when by SG's standards, Poland screwed over Germany.

[SeattleGriz]

I thought you said it was Poland?

We're talking about 2022 not 1939 when by SG's standards, Poland screwed over Germany.

You apparently weren't paying attention to how much opposition Poland put up against Nord Stream, nor how they have recently demanded 1.3T in reparations from Germany.

Of course if Poland did blow up Nord Stream, they'd have to get the okay from the US.

[UNI88]

We're talking about 2022 not 1939 when by SG's standards, Poland screwed over Germany.

You apparently weren't paying attention to how much opposition Poland put up against Nord Stream, nor how they have recently demanded 1.3T in reparations from Germany.

Of course if Poland did blow up Nord Stream, they'd have to get the okay from the US.

Poland opposing Nord Stream was in Germany's long-term interests.

Poland screwed over Germany in 1939 like Ukraine screwed over Russia in 2014 and 2022

[SeattleGriz]

You apparently weren't paying attention to how much opposition Poland put up against Nord Stream, nor how they have recently demanded 1.3T in reparations from Germany.

Of course if Poland did blow up Nord Stream, they'd have to get the okay from the US.

Poland opposing Nord Stream was in Germany's long-term interests.

Poland screwed over Germany in 1939 like Ukraine screwed over Russia in 2014 and 2022

How was Poland opposing Nordstream in Germany's interest?

[UNI88]

Poland opposing Nord Stream was in Germany's long-term interests.

Poland screwed over Germany in 1939 like Ukraine screwed over Russia in 2014 and 2022

How was Poland opposing Nordstream in Germany's interest?

Because Russia is using Nordstream as leverage. The less they depend on Russia for anything, the better off Germany is. Germany should have listened to Poland.

[SeattleGriz]

How was Poland opposing Nordstream in Germany's interest?

Because Russia is using Nordstream as leverage. The less they depend on Russia for anything, the better off Germany is. Germany should have listened to Poland.

Oh. So Poland did it to help Germany. Thanks for clearing that one up. See, that wasn't so hard to admit.

[UNI88]

Because Russia is using Nordstream as leverage. The less they depend on Russia for anything, the better off Germany is. Germany should have listened to Poland.

Oh. So Poland did it to help Germany. Thanks for clearing that one up. See, that wasn't so hard to admit.

No Russia sabotaged the pipeline to cast suspicion on Poland and sow dissension in the west.

[SeattleGriz]

Oh. So Poland did it to help Germany. Thanks for clearing that one up. See, that wasn't so hard to admit.

No Russia sabotaged the pipeline to cast suspicion on Poland and sow dissension in the west.

So, why didn't Sweden allow Germany to be involved in the investigation to begin with? Or even better, why hasn't Russia been fingered as the culprit.

That's some next level 3D chess. Russia sabotaged the one item in which they had leverage, and now nobody will show proof it was Russia. Putin's mind control is amazing.

[UNI88]

No Russia sabotaged the pipeline to cast suspicion on Poland and sow dissension in the west.

So, why didn't Sweden allow Germany to be involved in the investigation to begin with? Or even better, why hasn't Russia been fingered as the culprit.

That's some next level 3D chess. Russia sabotaged the one item in which they had leverage, and now nobody will show proof it was Russia. Putin's mind control is amazing.

Everything is/was 4D level chess for #46 & #45. We need to move past electing tiddlywinks playing buffoons as POTUS.

[kalm]

The occupied territories want to leave UKR so bad, they need Marshall Law.

[SeattleGriz]

[DSUrocks07]

So, why didn't Sweden allow Germany to be involved in the investigation to begin with? Or even better, why hasn't Russia been fingered as the culprit.

That's some next level 3D chess. Russia sabotaged the one item in which they had leverage, and now nobody will show proof it was Russia. Putin's mind control is amazing.

Everything is/was 4D level chess for #46 & #45. We need to move past electing tiddlywinks playing buffoons as POTUS.

I'd enjoy having a boring executive branch for four years. The last 30 years have turned the Presidency of the the world's superpower into reality television drama.

GB1 biggest issue/gaffe was "no new taxes" for pretty much his entire administration.

Now everything little tidbit of a statement is over analyzed for international headlines.

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[UNI88]

If UK leaders could kill the opposition, they'd probably have less turnover too.

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[houndawg]

No Russia sabotaged the pipeline to cast suspicion on Poland and sow dissension in the west.

So, why didn't Sweden allow Germany to be involved in the investigation to begin with? Or even better, why hasn't Russia been fingered as the culprit.

That's some next level 3D chess. Russia sabotaged the one item in which they had leverage, and now nobody will show proof it was Russia. Putin's mind control is amazing.

its all a deep-state double-reverse-false-flag

[houndawg]

they seem to have a different opinion on giving the hyper-wealthy tax breaks during tough times than we do.

[SeattleGriz]

So, why didn't Sweden allow Germany to be involved in the investigation to begin with? Or even better, why hasn't Russia been fingered as the culprit.

That's some next level 3D chess. Russia sabotaged the one item in which they had leverage, and now nobody will show proof it was Russia. Putin's mind control is amazing.

its all a deep-state double-reverse-false-flag

Otherwise known as 3D chess?

[kalm]

they seem to have a different opinion on giving the hyper-wealthy tax breaks during tough times than we do.

[SeattleGriz]

they seem to have a different opinion on giving the hyper-wealthy tax breaks during tough times than we do.

The Daily Edge! The liberal version of Gateway Pundit. Yes, let's not talk about how the plan was going to help pay the cost of gas/heating for those under financial difficulties or the fact they wanted to try and become more energy independent.

[SDHornet]

Apples and Oranges if we doing it because WMDs that didn't exist. Ok.

I recall there being less than 30 civilians killed in the first 2 days of the drone/missile barrage. That number has probably gone up since we are more than a week into this new aerial attack, but if they were intentionally targeting civilians I would think that number would be a lot higher.

That said, civilian casualties are inexcusable and unacceptable. Now do Ukraine and their shelling of the Donbas since the coup in 2014, or better yet, just do the civilians killed by Ukrainian shelling of civilians areas since the Russian invasion. Or does it only matter if Russia is doing the killing of civilians?

I will tangent into this, if NATO/US was so concerned about civilian casualties (or even military casualties), then why no push for negotiations to end this war? Why was a potential peace deal in April scuttled by NATO/US since human life has so much value?

You don't negotiate with invaders that deliberately target civilians, comrade, you kill them until they leave.

SDChamberlain

Sounds like you should read up on what was going on in the Donbas prior to Feb 2022.

[SDHornet]

BTW no significant movement on the fronts for the past 5-ish days since the aerial bombardment started. Reports of Russian troops massing in Belarus. Looks like Ukraine lost the initiative as they've made no major moves to reclaim territory. Lots of speculation on a big battle looming before the winter conditions set in.

Not very likely unless its against unarmed civilians. The Russian troops have no desire to fight Putin's war and it is rumored that the "accident" that killed more than a dozen recruits at a training facility near Ukraine was caused by disgruntled recruits - I don't know if its true or not but many people are saying...

Speaking of attacking unarmed civilians, saw reports of some of the civilian ferries used by folks evacuating the Kherson region by mean of crossing the Dnipro River getting hit by Ukrainian shelling...or you gonna claim that Russia did that too?

[SDHornet]

So hard to keep track of who the fascists are these days.

to illiberals, trump is a fascist. to MAGAts, Ukraine is filled with fascists.

Well, Ukraine has literal neo-nazi's, so there's that.

[Skjellyfetti]

You feel like linking your "reports", or too embarrassed?

[SDHornet]

How was Poland opposing Nordstream in Germany's interest?

Because Russia is using Nordstream as leverage. The less they depend on Russia for anything, the better off Germany is. Germany should have listened to Poland.

You realize the Germans sell that gas they get from Russia to other Euro nations, right?