Coronavirus COVID-19

[BDKJMU]

Here’s another example of why it’s fucking stupid to point fingers at models and push an immediate return to normal without further knowledge....

World Health Organization officials said Monday not all people who recover from the coronavirus have the antibodies to fight a second infection, raising concern that patients may not develop immunity after surviving.

“With regards to recovery and then reinfection, I believe we do not have the answers to that. That is an unknown,” Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of WHO’s emergencies program, said at a press conference at the organization’s Geneva headquarters on Monday.

A preliminary study of patients in Shanghai found that some patients had “no detectable antibody response” while others had a very high response, said Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO’s lead scientist on Covid-19. Whether the patients who had a strong antibody response were immune to a second infection is “a separate question,” she added

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/13/who-off ... ToFacebook

So that's what the WHO is parroting from their CPC puppet masters? At this point I wouldn't believe anything coming from China and the WHO.

[CAA Flagship]

Here’s another example of why it’s fucking stupid to point fingers at models and push an immediate return to normal without further knowledge....

World Health Organization officials said Monday not all people who recover from the coronavirus have the antibodies to fight a second infection, raising concern that patients may not develop immunity after surviving.

“With regards to recovery and then reinfection, I believe we do not have the answers to that. That is an unknown,” Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of WHO’s emergencies program, said at a press conference at the organization’s Geneva headquarters on Monday.

A preliminary study of patients in Shanghai found that some patients had “no detectable antibody response” while others had a very high response, said Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO’s lead scientist on Covid-19. Whether the patients who had a strong antibody response were immune to a second infection is “a separate question,” she added

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/13/who-off ... ToFacebook

That's interesting.
But two things:
1. We can get our own data. No need to trust Shanghai and the WHO
2. Not sure how that would impact and decision going forward. Still a lot of people that have not been infected. Just add a few more to the list.

[bobbythekidd]

Guess who has 2 thumbs and possibly coronavirus? yep.

Had a low grade fever upon arrival at work 4/3, was sent home and couldn't come back to work until it went away. So for 8 days I've been sitting my essential ass in my recliner reading you guys going back and forth.

I've started showing the symptoms today. Now I'm on free vacation until I test clear!! It would be fine if I didn't start feeling like shit all of the sudden. I was feeling great last week and even started to work out again. Over a 2 hour span this morning I got absolutely roasted by a dump truck.

Be safe, wash your hands, monitor your temperature.

[grizzaholic]

Guess who has 2 thumbs and possibly coronavirus? yep.

Had a low grade fever upon arrival at work 4/3, was sent home and couldn't come back to work until it went away. So for 8 days I've been sitting my essential ass in my recliner reading you guys going back and forth.

I've started showing the symptoms today. Now I'm on free vacation until I test clear!! It would be fine if I didn't start feeling like shit all of the sudden. I was feeling great last week and even started to work out again. Over a 2 hour span this morning I got absolutely roasted by a dump truck.

Be safe, wash your hands, monitor your temperature.

Feel better. Check out the bikini thread and think good thoughts.

[UNI88]

Guess who has 2 thumbs and possibly coronavirus? yep.

Had a low grade fever upon arrival at work 4/3, was sent home and couldn't come back to work until it went away. So for 8 days I've been sitting my essential ass in my recliner reading you guys going back and forth.

I've started showing the symptoms today. Now I'm on free vacation until I test clear!! It would be fine if I didn't start feeling like shit all of the sudden. I was feeling great last week and even started to work out again. Over a 2 hour span this morning I got absolutely roasted by a dump truck.

Be safe, wash your hands, monitor your temperature.

Feel better. Check out the bikini thread and think good,impure thoughts.

FYP

[SDHornet]

I stopped reading there. Anyone using that broken model as a basis for predictions is doing it wrong.

Predictive models based on hard data which effect policy which proves the models inaccurate is a good thing.

If it was a good predictive model, their past-projection would lineup exactly with known data and project from there. They don't, so the model is shit. We've been through this.

[kalm]

Guess who has 2 thumbs and possibly coronavirus? yep.

Had a low grade fever upon arrival at work 4/3, was sent home and couldn't come back to work until it went away. So for 8 days I've been sitting my essential ass in my recliner reading you guys going back and forth.

I've started showing the symptoms today. Now I'm on free vacation until I test clear!! It would be fine if I didn't start feeling like shit all of the sudden. I was feeling great last week and even started to work out again. Over a 2 hour span this morning I got absolutely roasted by a dump truck.

Be safe, wash your hands, monitor your temperature.

Feel better. Check out the bikini thread and think good thoughts.

This.

[SDHornet]

I think the unknown of this thing warranted shutting down the borders/international travel even though it came later than it should have (thanks again China and WHO for lying to the world). But like you said, aside from that it was all up to the states to determine their best course of action with Fed support as needed. Won't stop the "Trump's fault" narratives though.

Based on what?

Once they found out this thing was contagious and that it was a new strand of flu.

[kalm]

Predictive models based on hard data which effect policy which proves the models inaccurate is a good thing.

If it was a good predictive model, their past-projection would lineup exactly with known data and project from there. They don't, so the model is shit. We've been through this.

[kalm]

So much for State’s rights. All hail, empower Donnie!




“WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump claimed the authority Monday to decide how and when to reopen the economy after weeks of tough social distancing guidelines aimed at fighting the new coronavirus. But governors from both parties were quick to push back, noting they have the primary constitutional responsibility for ensuring public safety in their states and would decide when it’s safe to begin a return to normal operations.

Democratic leaders in the Northeast and along the West Coast announced separate state compacts to coordinate their efforts to scale back stay-at-home orders or reopen businesses on their own timetables, even as Trump tried to say it’s his call.”

https://apnews.com/ba9578acf23bdb03fd51a2b81f640560

[SDHornet]

Here’s another example of why it’s fucking stupid to point fingers at models and push an immediate return to normal without further knowledge....

World Health Organization officials said Monday not all people who recover from the coronavirus have the antibodies to fight a second infection, raising concern that patients may not develop immunity after surviving.

“With regards to recovery and then reinfection, I believe we do not have the answers to that. That is an unknown,” Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of WHO’s emergencies program, said at a press conference at the organization’s Geneva headquarters on Monday.

A preliminary study of patients in Shanghai found that some patients had “no detectable antibody response” while others had a very high response, said Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO’s lead scientist on Covid-19. Whether the patients who had a strong antibody response were immune to a second infection is “a separate question,” she added

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/13/who-off ... ToFacebook

I stopped reading there. You are in a special place today.

[SDHornet]

Guess who has 2 thumbs and possibly coronavirus? yep.

Had a low grade fever upon arrival at work 4/3, was sent home and couldn't come back to work until it went away. So for 8 days I've been sitting my essential ass in my recliner reading you guys going back and forth.

I've started showing the symptoms today. Now I'm on free vacation until I test clear!! It would be fine if I didn't start feeling like shit all of the sudden. I was feeling great last week and even started to work out again. Over a 2 hour span this morning I got absolutely roasted by a dump truck.

Be safe, wash your hands, monitor your temperature.

Get well Bob.

[kalm]

Here’s another example of why it’s fucking stupid to point fingers at models and push an immediate return to normal without further knowledge....



https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/13/who-off ... ToFacebook

I stopped reading there. You are in a special place today.

Should we start posting in single paragraphs with your name in them along with illustrations to captivate?

[SDHornet]

I stopped reading there. You are in a special place today.

Should we start posting in single paragraphs with your name in them along with illustrations to captivate?

Oh so the IMHE and WHO are credible now?

[kalm]

Should we start posting in single paragraphs with your name in them along with illustrations to captivate?

Oh so the IMHE and WHO are credible now?

Show me a credible health org or research group that disputes them or the London College.

White Lab coat man bad....

[SDHornet]

Hey klammy, you probably think this IHME model on when to reopen the economy will be accurate too, eh?

[kalm]

Hey klammy, you probably think this IHME model on when to reopen the economy will be accurate too, eh?

Yes. Until we know more about things like reinfection rates and infected people who don’t produce antibodies, hospital equipment, contact tracing, and testing all probably need to become more solid.

Again...show me a credentialed infectious disease expert who disagrees. I’d love to be wrong.

PhD guys bad!

[Winterborn]

Feel better. Check out the bikini thread and think good,impure thoughts.

FYP

It is amazing what a fine set of gams will do to perk up a guys spirit.

[mainejeff]

So much for State’s rights. All hail, empower Donnie!




“WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump claimed the authority Monday to decide how and when to reopen the economy after weeks of tough social distancing guidelines aimed at fighting the new coronavirus. But governors from both parties were quick to push back, noting they have the primary constitutional responsibility for ensuring public safety in their states and would decide when it’s safe to begin a return to normal operations.

Democratic leaders in the Northeast and along the West Coast announced separate state compacts to coordinate their efforts to scale back stay-at-home orders or reopen businesses on their own timetables, even as Trump tried to say it’s his call.”

https://apnews.com/ba9578acf23bdb03fd51a2b81f640560

All hail Blue States!

[Winterborn]

Abstract:

m The first three months of the COVID-19 epidemic: Epidemiological evidence for two separate strains of SARS-CoV-2 viruses spreading and implications for prevention strategies Two epidemics of COVID-19 KNUT M.WITTKOWSKI1*1 ASDERA LLC, New York, NY * Corresponding author: E-mail: knut@asdera.com (KMW) Abstract About one month after the COVID-19 epidemic peaked in Mainland China and SARS-CoV-2 migrated to Europe and then the U.S., the epidemiological data begin to provide important insights into the risks associated with the disease and the effectiveness of intervention strategies such as travel restrictions and lockdowns (“social distancing”). Respiratory diseases, including the 2003 SARS epidemic, remain only about two months in any given population, although peak incidence and lethality can vary. The epidemiological data suggest that at least two strains of the 2020 SARS-CoV-2 virus have evolved during its migration from Mainland China to Europe. South Korea, Iran, Italy, and Italy’s neighbors were hit by the more dangerous “SKII” variant. While the epidemic in continental Asia is about to end, and in Europe about to level off, the more recent epidemic in the younger US population is still increasing, albeit not exponentially anymore. The peak level will likely depend on which of the strains has entered the U.S. first. The same models that help us to understand the epidemic also help us to choose prevention strategies. Containment of high-risk people, like the elderly, and reducing disease severity, either by vaccination or by early treatment of complications, is the best strategy against a respiratory virus disease. Lockdowns can be effective during the month following the peak incidence in infections, when the exponential increase of cases ends. Earlier containment of low-risk people merely prolongs the time the virus needs to circulate until the incidence is high enough to initiate “herd immunity”. Later containment is not helpful, unless to prevent a rebound if containment started too early.

Dr. Wittkowski received his PhD in computer science from the University of Stuttgart and his ScD (Habilitation) in Medical Biometry from the Eberhard-Karls-University Tübingen, both Germany. He worked for 15 years with Klaus Dietz, a leading epidemiologist who coined the term “reproduction number”, on the Epidemiology of HIV before heading for 20 years the Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design at The Rockefeller University, New York. Dr. Wittkowski is currently the CEO of ASDERA LLC, a company discovering novel treatments for complex diseases from data of genome-wide association studies.

https://ratical.org/CoVTrends.pdf

https://ratical.org/PerspectivesOnPandemic-II.html


Was posted on AGS earlier this weekend. Not saying I agree with everything here, but it is a different perspective. Paper in the first link is about 27 pages long. Interview transcript (and link to the youtube interview) is in the second link.

[CAA Flagship]

Guess who has 2 thumbs and possibly coronavirus? yep.

Had a low grade fever upon arrival at work 4/3, was sent home and couldn't come back to work until it went away. So for 8 days I've been sitting my essential ass in my recliner reading you guys going back and forth.

I've started showing the symptoms today. Now I'm on free vacation until I test clear!! It would be fine if I didn't start feeling like shit all of the sudden. I was feeling great last week and even started to work out again. Over a 2 hour span this morning I got absolutely roasted by a dump truck.

Be safe, wash your hands, monitor your temperature.

Since this virus attacks the respiratory system, I was wondering what the impact would be by "working out" as the virus replicates within. Would more oxygen exchange in the lungs help or hurt? Since this is a football message board, I was thinking about the risk to athletes getting back on the field.

Take it slow Bobby. Keep us posted as you are the first on the board to contract it. Good luck.

[kalm]

Abstract:

m The first three months of the COVID-19 epidemic: Epidemiological evidence for two separate strains of SARS-CoV-2 viruses spreading and implications for prevention strategies Two epidemics of COVID-19 KNUT M.WITTKOWSKI1*1 ASDERA LLC, New York, NY * Corresponding author: E-mail: knut@asdera.com (KMW) Abstract About one month after the COVID-19 epidemic peaked in Mainland China and SARS-CoV-2 migrated to Europe and then the U.S., the epidemiological data begin to provide important insights into the risks associated with the disease and the effectiveness of intervention strategies such as travel restrictions and lockdowns (“social distancing”). Respiratory diseases, including the 2003 SARS epidemic, remain only about two months in any given population, although peak incidence and lethality can vary. The epidemiological data suggest that at least two strains of the 2020 SARS-CoV-2 virus have evolved during its migration from Mainland China to Europe. South Korea, Iran, Italy, and Italy’s neighbors were hit by the more dangerous “SKII” variant. While the epidemic in continental Asia is about to end, and in Europe about to level off, the more recent epidemic in the younger US population is still increasing, albeit not exponentially anymore. The peak level will likely depend on which of the strains has entered the U.S. first. The same models that help us to understand the epidemic also help us to choose prevention strategies. Containment of high-risk people, like the elderly, and reducing disease severity, either by vaccination or by early treatment of complications, is the best strategy against a respiratory virus disease. Lockdowns can be effective during the month following the peak incidence in infections, when the exponential increase of cases ends. Earlier containment of low-risk people merely prolongs the time the virus needs to circulate until the incidence is high enough to initiate “herd immunity”. Later containment is not helpful, unless to prevent a rebound if containment started too early.

Dr. Wittkowski received his PhD in computer science from the University of Stuttgart and his ScD (Habilitation) in Medical Biometry from the Eberhard-Karls-University Tübingen, both Germany. He worked for 15 years with Klaus Dietz, a leading epidemiologist who coined the term “reproduction number”, on the Epidemiology of HIV before heading for 20 years the Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design at The Rockefeller University, New York. Dr. Wittkowski is currently the CEO of ASDERA LLC, a company discovering novel treatments for complex diseases from data of genome-wide association studies.

https://ratical.org/CoVTrends.pdf

https://ratical.org/PerspectivesOnPandemic-II.html


Was posted on AGS earlier this weekend. Not saying I agree with everything here, but it is a different perspective. Paper in the first link is about 27 pages long. Interview transcript (and link to the youtube interview) is in the second link.

Thanks Homie!

[Winterborn]

Thanks Homie!

Fact check it and let me know.

[89Hen]

So watched the ABC national news tonight (Mrs likes it) and in the first 8 minutes they had video of Cuomo on three times for a total of nearly three minutes. The number of times they had Trump speaking on video during the 30 minute show.... ZERO. They put up his picture with a Tweet. They quoted him several times. But not once did they actually show him speaking. There is NO WAY this is just an accident or coincidence. Any of you sheep who think that networks like ABC aren't as biased as Fox are morons.

[BDKJMU]

Guess who has 2 thumbs and possibly coronavirus? yep.

Had a low grade fever upon arrival at work 4/3, was sent home and couldn't come back to work until it went away. So for 8 days I've been sitting my essential ass in my recliner reading you guys going back and forth.

I've started showing the symptoms today. Now I'm on free vacation until I test clear!! It would be fine if I didn't start feeling like shit all of the sudden. I was feeling great last week and even started to work out again. Over a 2 hour span this morning I got absolutely roasted by a dump truck.

Be safe, wash your hands, monitor your temperature.

Since this virus attacks the respiratory system, I was wondering what the impact would be by "working out" as the virus replicates within. Would more oxygen exchange in the lungs help or hurt? Since this is a football message board, I was thinking about the risk to athletes getting back on the field.

Take it slow Bobby. Keep us posted as you are the first on the board to contract it. Good luck.

1st on the board KNOWN to contract it. I wonder if any of us had it but were asymtomatic, or just didn‘t meet the criteria to get tested? Heck, early March I had every symptom but a fever and didn’t meet the then criteria to get tested (fever and known contact to someone tested postive or travel from a then designated Level 1 country).

Best of luck Bobby. Do you have any pre existing conditions?