Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

[SeattleGriz]

Can't believe it took me this long to realize this, but if Hillary deleted 30,000 emails during her 4 years because they were personal in nature, how much fucking time did she actually spend doing her job?

Who gets to send 20 personal emails a day and keep their job? She even admitted she was too stupid to use a computer so they were all tapped out on her blackberry.

Fucking A I need a gubmint job.

[YoUDeeMan]

But hilldog is not...and the spin because she isn't (spin bought but idiots like Trip) is very entertaining.

It's unfortunate that you of all people has started calling people idiots (non-jokingly). In a way, this is what I'm trying to point out. You all call me blind and the such, but just take a look at how you're all acting on this website right now. Emotional responses, rants, etc. We've had good political debates before, but some of you have taken it to an unfortunate level. And for what?

Awww...Twip got his wittle feewings hurt.

You have to be kidding me. You already said that you favor Hillary and the entrenched political leeches because you are focused on your career.

And, you have REFUSED to acknowledge that your girlfriend's actions, HER choices, have resulted in the killing of hundreds of thousands of Muslins. You have refused to concede that, under Hillary, we sold more arms per year than under Bush. Those arms have been distributed to some of the worst human rights violators in the world...and they have been used to inflict massive numbers of civilian casualties.

I could go on...but you will continue to refuse to acknowledge that Hillary is a racist, bigoted, war mongering, money whore...despite her actual track record proving her to be just that.

So, yeah, you are an idiot, because you must embrace those same values. You had a choice...to choose Bernie. And you stuck with the race baiting Hillary...simply because it was economically beneficial to you.

You lose your progressive card. You lose your moral high ground. You are stuck voting for the person who personifies you the most.

Own it.

[UNI88]

I find all of these posts about Trump being a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar quite humorous. It's not that I disagree with the assessment of Trump as a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar, I do. It's that Hilary has demonstrated that she is nearly just as a much or possibly more of a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar. So I also find it quite interesting that Cluck, Kalm and others are in unison pointing out the hypocrisy of the Hilary supporters in making these claims. I'm not sure I expected those two to be on the same side of an argument.

I don't like Trump and think he would be a bad President but I feel the same way about Hilary and I understand the anger and frustration with the establishment that led to Trump's nomination and Bernie's success. One year ago, almost no one thought either was a remote possibility. Both parties need to get their heads out of the asses and stop taking their (former) supporters for granted.

[JohnStOnge]

find all of these posts about Trump being a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar quite humorous. It's not that I disagree with the assessment of Trump as a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar, I do. It's that Hilary has demonstrated that she is nearly just as a much or possibly more of a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar. So I also find it quite interesting that Cluck, Kalm and others are in unison pointing out the hypocrisy of the Hilary supporters in making these claims. I'm not sure I expected those two to be on the same side of an argument.

I don't like Trump and think he would be a bad President but I feel the same way about Hilary and I understand the anger and frustration with the establishment that led to Trump's nomination and Bernie's success. One year ago, almost no one thought either was a remote possibility. Both parties need to get their heads out of the asses and stop taking their (former) supporters for granted.

Here's the thing: Hillary has NOT demonstrated she has some of the issues Trump has. I am not kidding at all when I say Trump has shown some real emotional maturity and stability issues. He literally DOES act like somebody in middle school.

You can take the episode with British journalist Salina Scott as an example:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... years.html

There is something seriously wrong with someone who acted like Trump did in that instance. And it's not an isolated incident. You could see the same tendency manifested when Meghan Kelly asked him tough questions earlier during this campaign.

Look, Hillary is bad. Very bad. And I would never in my wildest dreams have thought I'd be arguing that it's important that she win. But Trump is worse. He's a very sick puppy. And when I say "sick" I mean really sick. Plus he lies with a frequency way beyond even that characterizing Hillary. He's totally unqualified. He's mentally ill. And he's thoroughly dishonest.

That pretty much sums it up.

[Ivytalk]

I find all of these posts about Trump being a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar quite humorous. It's not that I disagree with the assessment of Trump as a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar, I do. It's that Hilary has demonstrated that she is nearly just as a much or possibly more of a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar. So I also find it quite interesting that Cluck, Kalm and others are in unison pointing out the hypocrisy of the Hilary supporters in making these claims. I'm not sure I expected those two to be on the same side of an argument.

I don't like Trump and think he would be a bad President but I feel the same way about Hilary and I understand the anger and frustration with the establishment that led to Trump's nomination and Bernie's success. One year ago, almost no one thought either was a remote possibility. Both parties need to get their heads out of the asses and stop taking their (former) supporters for granted.

And 88's head is out of his ass, and he takes nothing for granted! 88 for President!

[UNI88]

I find all of these posts about Trump being a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar quite humorous. It's not that I disagree with the assessment of Trump as a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar, I do. It's that Hilary has demonstrated that she is nearly just as a much or possibly more of a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar. So I also find it quite interesting that Cluck, Kalm and others are in unison pointing out the hypocrisy of the Hilary supporters in making these claims. I'm not sure I expected those two to be on the same side of an argument.

I don't like Trump and think he would be a bad President but I feel the same way about Hilary and I understand the anger and frustration with the establishment that led to Trump's nomination and Bernie's success. One year ago, almost no one thought either was a remote possibility. Both parties need to get their heads out of the asses and stop taking their (former) supporters for granted.

And 88's head is out of his ass, and he takes nothing for granted! 88 for President!

Come on IT, you know that I take everyone and everything for granted and that my head is so far up my ass that I floss with my tonsils.

[Ibanez]

I love that line. It reminds me of the Will Rogers quote, "I'm not a member of any organized political party...I'm a Democrat".

Those quotes have been around for 60-70 years. We don't seem to make 'em like we used to, do we IT?

We certainly don't! I dig 'em out of my first edition of Bartlett's.

One of my favorite quotes is from Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, his last words

Let us cross the river, and rest under the trees.

[houndawg]

I find all of these posts about Trump being a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar quite humorous. It's not that I disagree with the assessment of Trump as a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar, I do. It's that Hilary has demonstrated that she is nearly just as a much or possibly more of a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar. So I also find it quite interesting that Cluck, Kalm and others are in unison pointing out the hypocrisy of the Hilary supporters in making these claims. I'm not sure I expected those two to be on the same side of an argument.

I don't like Trump and think he would be a bad President but I feel the same way about Hilary and I understand the anger and frustration with the establishment that led to Trump's nomination and Bernie's success. One year ago, almost no one thought either was a remote possibility. Both parties need to get their heads out of the asses and stop taking their (former) supporters for granted.

One year ago your ol' buddy houndawg was saying that Hillary would have a bigger problem with Bernie than was commonly thought.

[SDHornet]

It's unfortunate that you of all people has started calling people idiots (non-jokingly). In a way, this is what I'm trying to point out. You all call me blind and the such, but just take a look at how you're all acting on this website right now. Emotional responses, rants, etc. We've had good political debates before, but some of you have taken it to an unfortunate level. And for what?

Awww...Twip got his wittle feewings hurt.

You have to be kidding me. You already said that you favor Hillary and the entrenched political leeches because you are focused on your career.

And, you have REFUSED to acknowledge that your girlfriend's actions, HER choices, have resulted in the killing of hundreds of thousands of Muslins. You have refused to concede that, under Hillary, we sold more arms per year than under Bush. Those arms have been distributed to some of the worst human rights violators in the world...and they have been used to inflict massive numbers of civilian casualties.

I could go on...but you will continue to refuse to acknowledge that Hillary is a racist, bigoted, war mongering, money whore...despite her actual track record proving her to be just that.

So, yeah, you are an idiot, because you must embrace those same values. You had a choice...to choose Bernie. And you stuck with the race baiting Hillary...simply because it was economically beneficial to you.

You lose your progressive card. You lose your moral high ground. You are stuck voting for the person who personifies you the most.

Own it.

Hell, the "I'm voting for hilldog because she is a wimin" and "I'm voting for hilldog because she is a "D"" and "I'm voting for hilldog because she is a lezzie" (dbj) are on a moral high ground compared to the "I'm voting for hilldog because of her proven credibility" (Trip) idiots.

BTW, the AP called the race for hilldog after she won mighty Puerto Rico.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-el ... on-n586181

hilldog - 1812 pledged - 572 super
bernie - 1520 pledged - 46 super

Yeah, not rigged at all.

[UNI88]

I find all of these posts about Trump being a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar quite humorous. It's not that I disagree with the assessment of Trump as a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar, I do. It's that Hilary has demonstrated that she is nearly just as a much or possibly more of a sick, demented and dangerous egomaniac and liar. So I also find it quite interesting that Cluck, Kalm and others are in unison pointing out the hypocrisy of the Hilary supporters in making these claims. I'm not sure I expected those two to be on the same side of an argument.

I don't like Trump and think he would be a bad President but I feel the same way about Hilary and I understand the anger and frustration with the establishment that led to Trump's nomination and Bernie's success. One year ago, almost no one thought either was a remote possibility. Both parties need to get their heads out of the asses and stop taking their (former) supporters for granted.

One year ago your ol' buddy houndawg was saying that Hillary would have a bigger problem with Bernie than was commonly thought.

That you did.

[kalm]

Awww...Twip got his wittle feewings hurt.

You have to be kidding me. You already said that you favor Hillary and the entrenched political leeches because you are focused on your career.

And, you have REFUSED to acknowledge that your girlfriend's actions, HER choices, have resulted in the killing of hundreds of thousands of Muslins. You have refused to concede that, under Hillary, we sold more arms per year than under Bush. Those arms have been distributed to some of the worst human rights violators in the world...and they have been used to inflict massive numbers of civilian casualties.

I could go on...but you will continue to refuse to acknowledge that Hillary is a racist, bigoted, war mongering, money whore...despite her actual track record proving her to be just that.

So, yeah, you are an idiot, because you must embrace those same values. You had a choice...to choose Bernie. And you stuck with the race baiting Hillary...simply because it was economically beneficial to you.

You lose your progressive card. You lose your moral high ground. You are stuck voting for the person who personifies you the most.

Own it.

Hell, the "I'm voting for hilldog because she is a wimin" and "I'm voting for hilldog because she is a "D"" and "I'm voting for hilldog because she is a lezzie" (dbj) are on a moral high ground compared to the "I'm voting for hilldog because of her proven credibility" (Trip) idiots.

BTW, the AP called the race for hilldog after she won mighty Puerto Rico.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-el ... on-n586181

hilldog - 1812 pledged - 572 super
bernie - 1520 pledged - 46 super

Yeah, not rigged at all.

I think she's going to have a hard time getting support from the left:

This is the perfect symbolic ending to the Democratic Party primary: The nomination is consecrated by a media organization, on a day when nobody voted, based on secret discussions with anonymous establishment insiders and donors whose identities the media organization — incredibly — conceals. The decisive edifice of superdelegates is itself anti-democratic and inherently corrupt: designed to prevent actual voters from making choices that the party establishment dislikes. But for a party run by insiders and funded by corporate interests, it’s only fitting that its nomination process ends with such an ignominious, awkward, and undemocratic sputter.

None of this is to deny that Hillary Clinton — as was always the case from the start — is highly likely to be the legitimately chosen winner of this process. It’s true that the party’s governing rules are deliberately undemocratic; unfair and even corrupt decisions were repeatedly made by party officials to benefit Clinton; and the ostensibly neutral Democratic National Committee (led by the incomparably heinous Debbie Wasserman Schultz) constantly put not just its thumb but its entire body on the scale to ensure she won. But it’s also true that under the long-standing rules of the party, more people who voted preferred Clinton as their nominee over Sanders. Independent of superdelegates, she just got more votes. There’s no denying that..........

That the Democratic Party nominating process is declared to be over in such an uninspiring, secretive, and elite-driven manner is perfectly symbolic of what the party, and its likely nominee, actually is. The one positive aspect, though significant, is symbolic, while the actual substance — rallying behind a Wall Street-funded, status quo-perpetuating, multimillionaire militarist — is grim in the extreme. The Democratic Party got exactly the ending it deserved.

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/07/per ... ugh-media/

Ouch!

[houndawg]

Hell, the "I'm voting for hilldog because she is a wimin" and "I'm voting for hilldog because she is a "D"" and "I'm voting for hilldog because she is a lezzie" (dbj) are on a moral high ground compared to the "I'm voting for hilldog because of her proven credibility" (Trip) idiots.

BTW, the AP called the race for hilldog after she won mighty Puerto Rico.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-el ... on-n586181

hilldog - 1812 pledged - 572 super
bernie - 1520 pledged - 46 super

Yeah, not rigged at all.

I think she's going to have a hard time getting support from the left:

This is the perfect symbolic ending to the Democratic Party primary: The nomination is consecrated by a media organization, on a day when nobody voted, based on secret discussions with anonymous establishment insiders and donors whose identities the media organization — incredibly — conceals. The decisive edifice of superdelegates is itself anti-democratic and inherently corrupt: designed to prevent actual voters from making choices that the party establishment dislikes. But for a party run by insiders and funded by corporate interests, it’s only fitting that its nomination process ends with such an ignominious, awkward, and undemocratic sputter.

None of this is to deny that Hillary Clinton — as was always the case from the start — is highly likely to be the legitimately chosen winner of this process. It’s true that the party’s governing rules are deliberately undemocratic; unfair and even corrupt decisions were repeatedly made by party officials to benefit Clinton; and the ostensibly neutral Democratic National Committee (led by the incomparably heinous Debbie Wasserman Schultz) constantly put not just its thumb but its entire body on the scale to ensure she won. But it’s also true that under the long-standing rules of the party, more people who voted preferred Clinton as their nominee over Sanders. Independent of superdelegates, she just got more votes. There’s no denying that..........

That the Democratic Party nominating process is declared to be over in such an uninspiring, secretive, and elite-driven manner is perfectly symbolic of what the party, and its likely nominee, actually is. The one positive aspect, though significant, is symbolic, while the actual substance — rallying behind a Wall Street-funded, status quo-perpetuating, multimillionaire militarist — is grim in the extreme. The Democratic Party got exactly the ending it deserved.

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/07/per ... ugh-media/

Ouch!

Our rotten-to-the-core two-party system has been exposed in front of the whole world for the one-party system it is.

[Ivytalk]

The Democratic "free stuff" left will either come home to Hildabeat or sleep in. They won't vote for Trump.

[Ibanez]

I think she's going to have a hard time getting support from the left:



https://theintercept.com/2016/06/07/per ... ugh-media/

Ouch!

Our rotten-to-the-core two-party system has been exposed in front of the whole world for the one-party system it is.

Yet nobody really cares to change it.

[Ibanez]

The Democratic "free stuff" left will either come home to Hildabeat or sleep in. They won't vote for Trump.

Was there ever a chance that they would vote for the Thrump?

[Ivytalk]

The Democratic "free stuff" left will either come home to Hildabeat or sleep in. They won't vote for Trump.

Was there ever a chance that they would vote for the Thrump?

Drumpf seems to think so. Didn't you see his pitch for the support of the disgruntled Sanders voters?

[kalm]

The Democratic "free stuff" left will either come home to Hildabeat or sleep in. They won't vote for Trump.

But what will the Republican "free stuff" right do?

[Ibanez]

The Democratic "free stuff" left will either come home to Hildabeat or sleep in. They won't vote for Trump.

But what will the Republican "free stuff" right do?

Vote for Bernie?



Is this a trick question?

[kalm]

But what will the Republican "free stuff" right do?

Vote for Bernie?



Is this a trick question?

Yes.

[Ibanez]

The Democratic "free stuff" left will either come home to Hildabeat or sleep in. They won't vote for Trump.

But what will the Republican "free stuff" right do?

www.republicansagainsttrump.org

[SDHornet]

I think she's going to have a hard time getting support from the left:

They'll still line up and vote for her, bank on it.

[houndawg]

The Democratic "free stuff" left will either come home to Hildabeat or sleep in. They won't vote for Trump.

It doesn't matter now. Either way its more war, more surveillance, dying middle class, no American Dream.

[kalm]

I think she's going to have a hard time getting support from the left:

They'll still line up and vote for her, bank on it.

They might, but I wouldn't bank on it. UNI88 mentioned Hillary fatigue a few months back and its seems to be increasing from my perspective too. She's simply not a very likeable person. I think there's just as much of a chance of Republicans staying home with Trump as their is progressives with Hillary. And remember, the progressives had a candidate they liked in Bernie so there's even more resentment there, whereas the Republicans never really found someone to rally around.

[Ibanez]

They'll still line up and vote for her, bank on it.

They might, but I wouldn't bank on it. UNI88 mentioned Hillary fatigue a few months back and its seems to be increasing from my perspective too. She's simply not a very likeable person. I think there's just as much of a chance of Republicans staying home with Trump as their is progressives with Hillary. And remember, the progressives had a candidate they liked in Bernie so there's even more resentment there, whereas the Republicans never really found someone to rally around.

Do you think Hillary fatique is going to continue now that she's, essentially, locked up the nomination? Unless Bernie runs as an indy, I see a majority of his supporters falling in line behind Clinton.

I, as someone that voted for Sanders, will probably stay home on election day. Or vote Gary Johnson.

Actually, I think i'll drink that night and hope it's all a bad dream.

[kalm]

They might, but I wouldn't bank on it. UNI88 mentioned Hillary fatigue a few months back and its seems to be increasing from my perspective too. She's simply not a very likeable person. I think there's just as much of a chance of Republicans staying home with Trump as their is progressives with Hillary. And remember, the progressives had a candidate they liked in Bernie so there's even more resentment there, whereas the Republicans never really found someone to rally around.

Do you think Hillary fatique is going to continue now that she's, essentially, locked up the nomination? Unless Bernie runs as an indy, I see a majority of his supporters falling in line behind Clinton.

I, as someone that voted for Sanders, will probably stay home on election day. Or vote Gary Johnson.

Actually, I think i'll drink that night and hope it's all a bad dream.

I think it might a bit. I don't think Bernie's supporters like her at all. They view her the same as they see establishment Republicans. There might be sympathy from Trump attacking her but I just don't see her as all that sympathetic of a person. I think fear of Trump is the best thing she has going for her.